Baptism accepted by the Church

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i know the Church requires that a previous baptism be Trinitarian… which denoms do not have “valid” baptisms and are not accepted by the Church, and thus require a valid baptism at the Easter vigil ? aren’t there only about 3 or 4 total?
 
It is not true that Baptisms are “automatically” accepted as valid. The Church requires that pastors carefully examine the form of all Baptisms. Many Pastors and Bishops have developed local lists of non-Catholic Christian communities “form of Baptism” they have investigated and found acceptable. But it is not proper to say in a blanket statement that “Baptist or Methodist” Baptism is automatically accepted. It is the pastors responsibility to insure that Baptisms are valid, for without Baptism no other Sacraments can be received.

There are several “baptisms” that the Church has ruled universally as invalid, (Mormon, SDA, JW)
 
br. rich…thanks for the info…i was aware of LDS and JW…but thought SDA was valid… do you know anything about the validity of the Church of Christ baptism…i know they believe “their” baptism is the only valid baptism…but is it indeed Trinitarian?

very interesting about the validity of even some Trinitarian baptism…all that is required for our RCIA program is that a baptismal certificate be provided, and that it not be from one of the list of “unapproved” baptisms
 
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faithfulservant:
br. rich…thanks for the info…i was aware of LDS and JW…but thought SDA was valid… do you know anything about the validity of the Church of Christ baptism…i know they believe “their” baptism is the only valid baptism…but is it indeed Trinitarian?

very interesting about the validity of even some Trinitarian baptism…all that is required for our RCIA program is that a baptismal certificate be provided, and that it not be from one of the list of “unapproved” baptisms
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Validity of Baptism is a very grave matter. The Catholic Church accepts ALL VALID Baptisms and does not re-Baptize. Every Pastor has the grave responsibility to personally insure the validity of Baptism. So if he accepts a certificate. He is personally saying by his actions "I know for a fact that this Christian Communitity uses the proper Form (words), Matter (water) and this specific minister intends to Baptize for the remission of sins and a new birth into Christ’s Mystical Body the Church, therefore they Baptize validly.

A Pastor may have known a certain minister and spoke with him directly and was assured of the validity of his Baptisms. But two years later hears from someone coming into RCIA that the way he Baptized had changed. That pastor has the responsibility to contact that minister again and ask if anything has changed in the way he administers Baptism, to satisfy himself that nothing has changed that would invalidate his Baptisms.
 
i sincerely hope that each priest takes all these points into consideration… ideally, that would be the way it should be… 😉

realistically, i’m very skeptical that is the way it actually happens 😦

thanks so much for your (name removed by moderator)ut…i truly appreciate it! 👍
 
Aren’t there some Pentacostal denominations that don’t baptize in the Trinitarian manner?? I thought I heard this somewhere…please correct me if I’m wrong.:confused:
 
annunciata, i have no idea… that’s what i was hoping for when i posted this thread…a list of those denoms/splinter groups that the Church will not accept as performing valid baptism…

Br Rich has brought up so much more than i ever knew was involved…because at my church i fear we don’t go into such detail afa determining the validity of the previous baptism…what i do know is i would have loved to have been baptized in the Catholic Church…cuz this one was “the real deal” afa i was concerned…but i was told my baptist baptism at age 9 was indeed valid
 
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faithfulservant:
annunciata, i have no idea… that’s what i was hoping for when i posted this thread…a list of those denoms/splinter groups that the Church will not accept as performing valid baptism…

Br Rich has brought up so much more than i ever knew was involved…because at my church i fear we don’t go into such detail afa determining the validity of the previous baptism…what i do know is i would have loved to have been baptized in the Catholic Church…cuz this one was “the real deal” afa i was concerned…but i was told my baptist baptism at age 9 was indeed valid
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I was terrified at my Baptist one because I had a tremendous fear of water so I didn’t feel (not that feelings have anything to do with it) anything but fear! Ah! but my Catholic ‘conditional’ Baptism is something I will always be thankful for…it was truly beautiful! Anyhow, we are adopted children of the Father and brothers and sisters of Jesus and annointed by the Holy Spirit to work out our Salvation in fear and trembling! Annunciata:)
 
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faithfulservant:
i sincerely hope that each priest takes all these points into consideration… ideally, that would be the way it should be… 😉

realistically, i’m very skeptical that is the way it actually happens 😦

thanks so much for your (name removed by moderator)ut…i truly appreciate it! 👍
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I personally feel that it should not be any other way except the way it should be!👍
 
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Annunciata:
Aren’t there some Pentacostal denominations that don’t baptize in the Trinitarian manner?? I thought I heard this somewhere…please correct me if I’m wrong.:confused:
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United Pentecostal Church (UPC) and other Oneness/Jesus Only groups baptize only in the name of Jesus. Church of God and Assemblies of God baptisms are accepted by the Catholic Church, according to the list published in Catholicism for Dummies.

DaveBj
 
dave, since you have access to the book…how about the SDA and the Church of Christ…are they on the “accepted” list or not? isn’t there just a few on the “not accepted list” in addition to the mormons and JW’s

thanks for your post…

Br Rich,
iabsolutely agree with you…unfortunately the reality never seems to approach the ideal… i talked to someone on the “baptism team” tonite and was told on the “official baptism certificate” that is required by our parish, it always states if the baptism was done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit… i doubt however it addresses your other concerns about intent…and i’m wondering if it actually says anything about “matter”… but apparently that is all they look at and for
 
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faithfulservant:
dave, since you have access to the book…how about the SDA and the Church of Christ…are they on the “accepted” list or not? isn’t there just a few on the “not accepted list” in addition to the mormons and JW’s

thanks for your post…

Br Rich,
iabsolutely agree with you…unfortunately the reality never seems to approach the ideal… i talked to someone on the “baptism team” tonite and was told on the “official baptism certificate” that is required by our parish, it always states if the baptism was done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit… i doubt however it addresses your other concerns about intent…and i’m wondering if it actually says anything about “matter”… but apparently that is all they look at and for
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I should say however that it is Pastor who takes on this responsibility if he sets a “If your on the list, your Ok!” type of policy. Most of the time many of the Candidates during months of Inquiry can be asked different questions about their Baptism, about their beliefs concerning Baptism, since most were adults at the time. Through this you can get a solid view of Baptism as practiced in their old community. If doubts arise they should be investigated.
 
Br Rich,

being a convert myself, then serving on the RCIA team after my entry into the Church, i can only tell you, IF what you describe happened, it was definitely done at levels above me… based on what the deacon’s wife said last night, once they get a valid baptismal certificate for the candidate, if it says baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit/Ghost, then you are good to go!
 
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faithfulservant:
dave, since you have access to the book…how about the SDA and the Church of Christ…are they on the “accepted” list or not? isn’t there just a few on the “not accepted list” in addition to the mormons and JW’s
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Fr’s Trugilio’s and Brighenti’s complete “approved” list is: Episcopalian, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, United Church of Christ, Assembly of God, Church of the Nazarene, Church of the Brethren, Amish, Church of God, Disciples of Christ, Adventist, and Evangelical.

Faith communities about whose baptisms the Catholics Church has doubts include: Christian Scientists, Quakers, Salvation Army, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, and Mormons.

DaveBj
 
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