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Acts 8:26-40
26 Then an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Get up and go toward the south F69 to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a wilderness road.) 27 So he got up and went. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning home; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over to this chariot and join it.” 30 So Philip ran up to it and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah. He asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 He replied, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to get in and sit beside him. 32 Now the passage of the scripture that he was reading was this: “Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter, and like a lamb silent before its shearer, so he does not open his mouth. 33 In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who can describe his generation? For his life is taken away from the earth.” 34 The eunuch asked Philip, “About whom, may I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip began to speak, and starting with this scripture, he proclaimed to him the good news about Jesus. 36 As they were going along the road, they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “**Look, here is water! What is to prevent me from being baptized?” **F70 37 F212 38 He commanded the chariot to stop, and both of them, Philip and the eunuch, went down into the water, and Philip F71 baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he was passing through the region, he proclaimed the good news to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

My question is this. I am told that in order to become Catholic, if that is what I decide to do,( still not sure)that I would have to go to a RICA class for a year or 2 first. How is it that I cannot just say “I believe that the Catholic Church is the church” and then become a member? Shouldn’t the study of Gods word’s be something everyone should do on an ongoing basis?Isn’t it enough to believe and become a member , like the Eunuch? The baptist church says that if you confess then at a later time, when your ready, they will baptize. The catholic church,from my limited understanding says that if I die without a valid baptism I could still be saved if I earnestly wanted one and planned on getting one. Right? I am confused. Why not just baptize right away, or if already baptized, just welcome them in and begin to teach them more about the faith?
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks!
 
Acts 8:26-40
26 Then an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Get up and go toward the south F69 to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a wilderness road.) 27 So he got up and went. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning home; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over to this chariot and join it.” 30 So Philip ran up to it and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah. He asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 He replied, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to get in and sit beside him. 32 Now the passage of the scripture that he was reading was this: “Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter, and like a lamb silent before its shearer, so he does not open his mouth. 33 In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who can describe his generation? For his life is taken away from the earth.” 34 The eunuch asked Philip, “About whom, may I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip began to speak, and starting with this scripture, he proclaimed to him the good news about Jesus. 36 As they were going along the road, they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “**Look, here is water! What is to prevent me from being baptized?” **F70 37 F212 38 He commanded the chariot to stop, and both of them, Philip and the eunuch, went down into the water, and Philip F71 baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he was passing through the region, he proclaimed the good news to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

My question is this. I am told that in order to become Catholic, if that is what I decide to do,( still not sure)that I would have to go to a RICA class for a year or 2 first. How is it that I cannot just say “I believe that the Catholic Church is the church” and then become a member? Shouldn’t the study of Gods word’s be something everyone should do on an ongoing basis?Isn’t it enough to believe and become a member , like the Eunuch? The baptist church says that if you confess then at a later time, when your ready, they will baptize. The catholic church,from my limited understanding says that if I die without a valid baptism I could still be saved if I earnestly wanted one and planned on getting one. Right? I am confused. Why not just baptize right away, or if already baptized, just welcome them in and begin to teach them more about the faith?
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks!
Once Baptized or received into the Catholic Chruch you are subject to her jurisdiction and laws. This might be very difficult today if you did not know what they were or what was expected from you. Hence the Church requires that a person seeking Baptism or full union be Catechized to some extent first, with of course some on going teaching expected after. A person already a Baptized Christian would not necessarly spend a full year in Catechesis only the time necessary form 3 to 6 or 9 months usually. One full liturgical year for those not Baptized, Adult Baptism usually only takes place at the Easter Vigil.
 
I would also add that the Catholic Church relies on Sacred Tradition as much as it relies on Sacred Scripture. The Catholic Church is not sola scriptura (scripture only), so you have to be taught that aspect of the Church as well.

I had the same question when I first started and this is how it was explained to me at least. And RCIA lasts only a few months; I started late (in November) and I’ll be baptized this Easter.
 
…My question is this. I am told that in order to become Catholic, if that is what I decide to do,( still not sure)that I would have to go to a RICA class for a year or 2 first. How is it that I cannot just say “I believe that the Catholic Church is the church” and then become a member?
In some context you can, however such a person would be dependent on their lack of knowledge to relieve their duty (works)
Shouldn’t the study of Gods word’s be something everyone should do on an ongoing basis?
it does
Isn’t it enough to believe and become a member , like the Eunuch?
What do the Baptist say when the worse criminal profess his Christianity before, during and after crimes?
The Baptist church says that if you confess then at a later time, when your ready, they will baptize.
That is exactly right, the bible says whole household (not adults)
The catholic church, from my limited understanding says that if I die without a valid baptism I could still be saved if I earnestly wanted one and planned on getting one. Right?
yes but that is a limited understanding
I am confused. Why not just baptize right away, or if already baptized, just welcome them in and begin to teach them more about the faith?
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks!
We either do or can do that, however to join without knowledge of what you have joined is a bit questionable
I would also add that the Catholic Church relies on Sacred Tradition as much as it relies on Sacred Scripture. The Catholic Church is not sola scriptura (scripture only), so you have to be taught that aspect of the Church as well.
'um Where was the Bible from 0AD- 200AD? If Jesus intended us to be sola scriptura why would he forget to write that scriptura?
I had the same question when I first started and this is how it was explained to me at least. And RCIA lasts only a few months; I started late (in November) and I’ll be baptized this Easter.
It would be hard to imagine you could grasp much of the Church in this short period. I hope they “teach them more about the faith”

I hope that helps, if you continue your study it is amazing how much there is to learn
 
'um Where was the Bible from 0AD- 200AD? If Jesus intended us to be sola scriptura why would he forget to write that scriptura?
'um, please read what I said. I said that we were not sola scriptura; that we rely on sacred tradition also.
It would be hard to imagine you could grasp much of the Church in this short period. I hope they “teach them more about the faith”
Everything has been in accordance with the head RCIA office. You’re only allowed 4 absences; I joined on the 4th week and haven’t missed a class since joining. Can’t say the same for the others, but that’s none of my business. 🙂
 
To the OP, welcome to the forums and to the Church.

The Lord is granting you a unique grace to desire to become a Catholic. It is an invitation that he willingly extends to you, and, based on what you have written, you are anxious to respond in the positive.

However, being a Catholic is a life-long journey. Conversion is a life-long experience. Part and parcel of being a Catholic is to accept everything that the Church teaches, from obedience to the Magisterium to the teachings on the Blessed Virgin Mary to the precepts of the Church. Jesus founded His Church on the rock of St. Peter… This authority has continued, in unbroken succession, over the course of 2,000+ years. It is a faith that millions over the course of two millenia have given their lives to profess and uphold.

As has been stated before, the Church stands on two pillars, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. In fact, in one of his epistles, St. Paul urges the community that he writes to to hold fast to the Traditions they had received from him (and the apostles). Furthermore, the Bible sprang from the Church, not the other way around.

Now, you quoted the section from Acts regarding the baptism of the Ethiopian eunich by St. Philip. During the nascent (early) days of the Church, things moved rather quickly. The Faith was new, very fresh and was taught directly from the Apostles. You heard it first-hand from the men who were with Jesus from the get-go. Of course, for some, it took a good while for all of this to sink in and for the Faith to take root. St. Paul, for one, needed a pretty radical experience with Jesus, to say the least, to make a 180-degree turn.

Now, fast-forward to March 13, 2009. We have over 2,000 years of hindsight, in addition to Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. God, in His great mercy, has guided us to learn more about Him and His Church. To learn more about the Church is to learn more about Christ, as the Church is His body.

That is why the Church instructs her catechumens in her ways and in the ways of Her Divine Spouse. Just like you need to make sure that the person you marry will be your partner for life, the Church wants to ensure the same with you. As others have indicated, once you are baptized as a Catholic, you must humbly submit to her teachings and authority, both of which are given directly to her by Jesus Christ in the person of His Vicar on Earth, the Holy Father, the successor of St. Peter.
 
My question is this. I am told that in order to become Catholic, if that is what I decide to do,( still not sure)that I would have to go to a RICA class for a year or 2 first. How is it that I cannot just say “I believe that the Catholic Church is the church” and then become a member?I am confused. Why not just baptize right away, or if already baptized, just welcome them in and begin to teach them more about the faith?
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks!
Hi Allison!!!

I hope so badly that you choose to wait it out and come into the Church!

I know I don’t have the answer. I returned to the Church 5 yrs ago, made a good confession, and received the Eucharist all within only weeks. i was baptized Catholic so I was fully Catholic. My children, on the other hand, had a really long wait. They “became” Catholic with me, but had to wait a year and a half for their Sacraments of Initiation. My boys were nearly teenagers and were raised in a bible believing and teaching church. These kids knew scripture well. They had learned and memorized it since they were babies. Their Sacrament Prep was a TON of apologetics. These guys, know their Catholic faith well enough to defend it to their pentecostal relatives. Being raised Christian and with a knowledge of their sin… They were SO looking forward to their baptism, and the removal of all their sins up to that point! When they put on the white garments that Easter Vigil Eve, they were literally glowing!

Catholics have 7 Sacraments. The Eucharist is the Source and Summit of our faith. It is the consummation of our faith. Why does a couple in love have to wait for the sacrament of matrimony? Why don’t they just consummate their relationship when they realize they are with the one they want to marry? Compare it to the Marriage Prep classes that a couple is supposed to enroll in for at least 6 months before they marry. There is still a lot to learn. And the waiting makes the moment that much sweeter.

Sorry I don’t have the answer you’re looking for. Looking back, it was worth the wait. During the wait, we really didn’t get it, and were impatient.
 
I just wanted to add, I started the RCIA program back in September '08 and I am telling you, it goes by so fast! A year really is nothing when you actually go through it. To me it is a blessing to have to wait to be received into the Lord’s Church. One year is nothing compared to all the years we will get to grow with Jesus. I know that I personally do NOT deserve anything from God so I am just grateful that I am able to become a Catholic in the first place. The Church has sooo much to offer, She’s well worth the wait! I hope and pray you continue to consider the Catholic Church as your home.

God bless,

Jennifer
 
Thank you all.
Benedictgal, your post reflects why I am even being drawn to the Catholic faith. The beauty of it! The history. Thank you for the perspective, thank you all.
Honestly I feel like a Yo YO right now.I just cannot get it into my head that baptizing babies makes since, that praying to a saint to pray for you is OK or even worth doing, and many other aspects of the Church that are foreign to me. And yet, I keep reading and praying and visiting. I suppose it comes down to my accepting the authority of the Magisterium. I am afraid that I would be sinning against God unless I am completely sure that this is the True Church. So if you all will continue to respond to my questions I would very much appreciate it. Thnak you.
 
I will keep you in my prayers during your discernment journey. It is good that you are enlisting the support of the church to help you as well. That’s what the body of Christ is…a family of believers who help one another get one day to heaven. We cannot take this journey alone without the help of others. If you want additional help, there is a great website, called www.Catholicscomehome.org check it out or even listen online to Catholic radio if you do not have access to it in your city. Either avemariaradio.net/ or relevantradio.com/Page.aspx?pid=534 are good choices to start with.
God bless you!
 
Well, as far as my experience goes, you’ve come to the right place. The forum as well as the church.

Being a ‘cradle catholic’, I’ve never had to take some course to enter the church, but that does not mean I haven’t been made to do my fair share of learning. Before each of the sacraments, we do years of training and learning, through catechism classes, bible studies and so forth, and still I learn new things every day. I’ve often read great apologists like Scott Hahn or Gerry Matatics say the more they learn about the Catholic faith, the more they realise how ignorant they are of the true beauty and majesty of its teachings.

That is, of course, not to say that its a hopeless pursuit, but rather an endlessly gratifying and enriching journey, where you get to discover daily how wonderous and abundant God’s love really is.

Thus it is important to commit yourself fully to the path. You are welcome at any stage to become a lawyer or a doctor, right? All you need is a few years of study and hard work to get the basics down, but for the most part, you’ll learn the really cool stuff ‘on the job’ as it were. Without those basics though, its easy to become overwhelmed, confused, frustrated and ultimately dispondent. Nobody wants that.

There is so much richness in the Catholic faith. Not only in the peace and security of her beliefs and traditions, but in her fascinating history, her culture, her persistence and, most importantly, her people. Many of the things you look at with some suspicion now, I promise you will one day love and cherish as an indispensible part of your life. All it takes is patience, courage and a little humility. God will provide the rest.

Good luck and God bless on your journey.

Keane:cool:
 
Thank you all.
Benedictgal, your post reflects why I am even being drawn to the Catholic faith. The beauty of it! The history. Thank you for the perspective, thank you all.
Honestly I feel like a Yo YO right now.I just cannot get it into my head that baptizing babies makes since, that praying to a saint to pray for you is OK or even worth doing, and many other aspects of the Church that are foreign to me. And yet, I keep reading and praying and visiting. I suppose it comes down to my accepting the authority of the Magisterium. I am afraid that I would be sinning against God unless I am completely sure that this is the True Church. So if you all will continue to respond to my questions I would very much appreciate it. Thnak you.
You’re welcome. :hug1:

While it is true that there are many things that you just can’t quite wrap your head around, the soul and the heart also come into play as well.

Let’s take asking the saints to intercede for us. When you are talking to a friend of yours and you’re in a jam you ask him to pray for you, right? It’s the same thing, only in a deeper level. You see, the Church is not just made up of the warm bodies in the pews. The Church has three parts: the Church Militant (those of us here on earth), the Church Triumphant (the Saints in heaven) and the Church Suffering (those in purgatory).

Remember when Jesus was challenged by the Sadducees and the Pharisees about the resurrection (the challenge involved the hypothetical situation of a woman being married to seven brothers–one right after the other). Jesus said that when the Lord (His Father) addressed Moses out of the burning bush, He identified Himself as the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, thus being the God of the living, not the dead. Thus, as Jesus defined it, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were still living, only in a different plane, an eternal one. The saints fall under that category. Furthermore, God allows them to manifest their genuine holiness and sanctity by granting miracles due to their intercession. It is a true act of charity on the part of the saints to pray for us and to be concerned with the wellbeing of those who are still on earth.

Now, the souls in purgatory need our prayers. They are in a state of purification. Recall that nothing impure can enter the presence of God. Inasmuch as Jesus’ sacrifice forgave our sins, there is still the matter of satisfaction for the wrongs we have committed. In fact, in his parables, Jesus says that we will not be released until we have paid the last penny. In fact, in one of the books of Maccabees, it notes that it is indeed a “noble and holy thing” to pray for the dead.

The Magisterium is entirely scriptural. The Holy Father takes his authority to exercise his Petrine Ministry from Jesus himself. You will find this in Matthew’s Gospel when Jesus tells Peter that he is the Rock on which Jesus will found His Church. In Luke, he further manifests this authority by telling Peter that he is to strengthen his brothers. In John’s Gospel, Jesus thrice confirms this authority by telling Peter that he is to feed his sheep, tend his sheep and feed his lambs. Obviously, Peter was not going to live forever, and thus the authority is passed down through the centuries to those men whom the Holy
Spirit deemed to be his successors.

You might want to pick up a couplel of books by Dr. Scott Hahn. He was a Protestant minister who found his way home to the Church. He had the same issues you write about in the above-quoted post. The two books are Rome Sweet Home and the Lamb’s Supper. He also has a book called “Hail Holy Queen” which discusses the Blessed Virgin Mary.

You are in my prayers.
 
Hi, Allison. 👋 🙂 I am currently in our parish’s RCIA program.

It began in September 2008 and I will receive the Eucharist at Easter Vigil on April 11, 2009.

I would really visit several local parishes and make certain they are having an RCIA course later this year. I was interested in one which didn’t.

God be with you on this journey. :crossrc:
 
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