Baptism for the dead,?

[RuthAnne]

Not necessarily. Every temple ordinance must be accepted by the individual themselves and also must be sealed by the Holy Spirit. This example shows that it is not our place to judge anyone.

Not necessarily. The way Mormonites fluff up their numbers is to include everyone who’s been dunked. Adolf Hitler and his wife, Eva, were baptized and are considered Mormonites by the way Mormonites do the accounting.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

It’s a pointless, empty ritual that serves no purpose and has exactly zero impact on anything. They can claim it does anything they want, that doesn’t actual mean it does. It does not, it has no meaning, and it is wholly and completely ineffective. Ignore it, they’re just wasting their time.

 

[RuthAnne]

My Mormonite family has already told me that they will get me baptized after I die. I’m good with that. Anything for entertainment purposes from the other side is fine with me.

 

[Annie]

Just as Catholics do not consider a Mormon baptism to be valid, Mormons do not consider ANY non-Mormon baptism to be valid. I don’t think it’s weird at all.

I guess Mormon and Catholic baptisms differ…

My Mormonite family has already told me that they will get me baptized after I die.

At least they love you

 

[mtolympus]

mtolympus:

Not necessarily. Every temple ordinance must be accepted by the individual themselves and also must be sealed by the Holy Spirit. This example shows that it is not our place to judge anyone.

Not necessarily. The way Mormonites fluff up their numbers is to include everyone who’s been dunked. Adolf Hitler and his wife, Eva, were baptized and are considered Mormonites by the way Mormonites do the accounting.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints keeps a record of living members who have been baptized. I am not sure what numbers you are talking about.

 

[anon91549587]

i think this is the key ingredient to me not giving others mental permission to make me upset.

 

[Frankenfurter]

I believe that the LDS church says (on their own web site) that they believe that people who are dead that have been baptized by proxy have their own agency to accept it or not. So the LDS church is offering the dead an opportunity if they want it, but in no way are forcing it on them.

I guess it is like you get to heaven and say DANG, the Mormons were right! Then you get offered their baptism so you accept it.

I think that is a nice gesture on their part.

They are trying to figure out how God could require baptism, but then have some people never offered it through no fault of their own. So this is what they came up with.

Try to accept that they seem to do it out of a sense of love.

They have you covered!

 

[TomH1]

I do understand you getting upset because this is up close and personal - it is your relatives.

Could I encourage you to take a deep, slow breath and examine this objectively.

Basically, it is nonsense. It is a very strange belief that some Mormons may hold. It is not what the Catholic Church teaches, and that is what should matter to you.

There are two extremely good reasons why Mormons cannot baptise any of your relatives or, indeed, anybody else who has died and was at their death a Catholic or other Christian.

1. You can only be baptised once: so they cannot baptise the already baptised.
2. The sacraments are for the living: you cannot baptise, or administer any sacrament, to someone who has died.

Rather than get upset and accept this untruth you are being told counter what they are saying with the truth from the one true Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[RuthAnne]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints keeps a record of living members who have been baptized. I am not sure what numbers you are talking about.

They also keep records of dead members who have been baptized. A baptism doesn’t have to be sealed by the Holy Spirit to be considered a baptism and people are considered Mormon when they are baptized into the Mormon church, living or dead.

 

[OKComputer]

The third reason they can’t baptize any of your relatives is that’s all a fraud.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

I guess Mormon and Catholic baptisms differ…

Mormon baptisms are invalid. They do not acknowledge the Trinitarian nature of God, so they lack the foundational understanding of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit required to perform a valid baptism.

 

[Mercury7]

• You can only be baptised once: so they cannot baptise the already baptised.
• The sacraments are for the living: you cannot baptise, or administer any sacrament, to someone who has died.

Thank you so much, these comments you made restored my equilibrium :
“You can only be baptized once: so they cannot baptize the already baptized.
The sacraments are for the living: you cannot baptize, or administer any sacrament, to someone who has died.”

 

[RuthAnne]

Mormon baptisms are invalid. They do not acknowledge the Trinitarian nature of God, so they lack the foundational understanding of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit required to perform a valid baptism.

The Mormon baptism goes like this. The person baptizing takes the person to be baptized and raises his arm to the square and says, calling him/her by name:

“Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”

Baptism for the dead is similar. Except after calling the proxy person by name, they say:

“Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and behalf of (name of dead person) who is dead, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”

 

[OKComputer]

Whenever I hear about this, I have a lot of regret. I “baptized” two people into that “church”, and it’s always bothered me a bit.

 

[Hodos]

What gives the mormons the right to take strangers and do this to their memory ? I find it VERY disturbing how they talk about religious freedom, and yet imagine that approaching a person in heaven who should be resting IN PEACE talking to them about changing their lifelong religion.

Nothing that the Mormons do will disrupt the peace the dead have in Christ. We don’t have peace because the world is at peace, rather the world is in chaos. We rest in peace because we are secure in our salvation because the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is sufficient to atone for all our sin, and that by faith we have been justified in Christ. We know with confidence that Christ will return and restore the creation when we are resurrected bodily on judgement day.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

The Mormon baptism goes like this. The person baptizing takes the person to be baptized and raises his arm to the square and says, calling him/her by name:

“Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”

Baptism for the dead is similar. Except after calling the proxy person by name, they say:

“Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and behalf of (name of dead person) who is dead, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”

The use of the words does not automatically assure the proper understanding. I can say the antidisestablishmentarianism, but that doesn’t mean I understand it enough to put it to proper use. Mormons reject the triune nature of God, so they cannot properly baptize because they are not really baptizing in the name of the Trinitarian God, just with the same words.

 

[RuthAnne]

Yep. I was just pointing out how they do it.

 

[mtolympus]

mtolympus:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints keeps a record of living members who have been baptized. I am not sure what numbers you are talking about.

They also keep records of dead members who have been baptized. A baptism doesn’t have to be sealed by the Holy Spirit to be considered a baptism and people are considered Mormon when they are baptized into the Mormon church, living or dead.

Of course we keep records of all the temple ordinances. However, we don’t consider every baptism, living or dead a member of the church. If we did we would be bigger than the Catholic Church. Possibly even bigger than the voting roles of Los Angeles.

 

[Pattylt]

When it was discovered that the LDS church was baptizing Holocaust victims, Jewish leaders got in their face and demanded they stop. They now even have a Rabbi go through the records to assure that no one is still doing it. They occasionally are. Supposedly, if they can prove relationship to a person, they can go ahead.

Whether they are trying or not to prevent unwanted baptisms, it is very offensive to Jews. It is nothing but arrogance on their part to presume they are “helping” lost souls. It isn’t their place to decide this and appalling behavior.

 

[puer.dei]

My Mormonite family has already told me that they will get me baptized after I die. I’m good with that. Anything for entertainment purposes from the other side is fine with me.

My great-aunt, who was superior of a religious order for decades, was “baptized” by them. I always imagine her having a good laugh over it.