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Loving_disciple
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All sins are forgiven at baptism. The same thing for adult baptism expect only the head is dunked in water. Though it depends on the priest
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Ophelia23
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Great questions! The rite of baptism for adults is held during one of the most ancient traditions of the Church–The Easter Vigil. It is a beautiful Mass. Text for adult baptism linked here.
I always find going to the source to be the very best method of research.
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BenP
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Conditional baptism- “if you are not already baptized then I baptize you, in the name … et cetera”
adults make the responses a godparent would for a baby.
adults make the responses a godparent would for a baby.
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SuscipeMeDomine
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The rite used at the Easter Vigil as laid out in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults:
Invitation to Prayer
Litany of the Saints
Blessing of the Water
Renunciation of Sin (see below)
Profession of Faith (see below)
Baptism (see below)
Anointing after Baptism (if Confirmation does not immediately follow Baptism)
Clothing with a Baptismal Garment
Presentation of a Lighted Candle
Normally followed by the celebration of Confirmation
Renunciation of Sin
(There are several options; here is one)
Do you reject sin so as to live in the freedom of God? I do.
Do you reject the glamor of evil, and refuse to be mastered by sin? I do.
Do you reject Satan, father of sin and prince of darkness? I do.
Profession of Faith
Do you believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth? I do.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died and was buried, rose from the dead, and is now seatd at the right hand of the Father? I do.
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting? I do.
Baptism
N, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
Invitation to Prayer
Litany of the Saints
Blessing of the Water
Renunciation of Sin (see below)
Profession of Faith (see below)
Baptism (see below)
Anointing after Baptism (if Confirmation does not immediately follow Baptism)
Clothing with a Baptismal Garment
Presentation of a Lighted Candle
Normally followed by the celebration of Confirmation
Renunciation of Sin
(There are several options; here is one)
Do you reject sin so as to live in the freedom of God? I do.
Do you reject the glamor of evil, and refuse to be mastered by sin? I do.
Do you reject Satan, father of sin and prince of darkness? I do.
Profession of Faith
Do you believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth? I do.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died and was buried, rose from the dead, and is now seatd at the right hand of the Father? I do.
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting? I do.
Baptism
N, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
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cheezey
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thanks
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total_relism
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is it made clear that jesus sacrifice is what causes the forgiveness of sins.
i agree thanks 4 link.Great questions! The rite of baptism for adults is held during one of the most ancient traditions of the Church–The Easter Vigil. It is a beautiful Mass. Text for adult baptism linked here.
I always find going to the source to be the very best method of research.
is it made clear that jesus death and sacrifice is what removes sin?.
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BenP
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“is it made clear that jesus death and sacrifice is what removes sin?.”
In the rite itself or as part of the instructions one would receive? the rite itself does not explain this in detail.
In the rite itself or as part of the instructions one would receive? the rite itself does not explain this in detail.
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jilly4ski
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Actually, for adults, the baptism being within the context of the Easter Vigil, I think that it would be clear, considering what the Easter vigil is. It is a little more vague for infants, because baptism is often done outside of Mass. But then, for an infant we are only talking about removing original sin, not personal sin.
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thistle
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Adults who are baptised in the Catholic Church have to go through the RCIA program which lasts about 9 months plus or minus and during that time teaching is given on the sacrament of baptism and what it means.
Therefore, every adult baptised Catholic knows that baptism removes sin. However, it does not prevent a person from sinning after baptism and to be restored to grace they must go to Confession to have personal sins forgiven.
Christ’s death and resurrection did not remove future sins. He redeemed us on the Cross and gave us the opportunity to be saved which means we have to follow St Paul’s advice and persevere to the end. If we do that and die in a state of grace then we will be saved. However, if we commit a mortal sin and die unrepentant then we go to Hell.
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His_helpmeet
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To clarify some of the finer points regarding your questions:
Baptism is necessary for salvation because it removes original sin. When Adam and Eve sinned (the Church tells us they were real people, our first parents), they lost the life of God in their souls. As a result of their sin, all of creation became fallen and tended towards death and sin. People are born with original sin, the loss of grace and the tendency to do what is evil that we inherit because of the sin of Adam and Eve. This is NOT the same thing as personal sin. It is a STATE that we are born into. Baptism removes original sin, establishes us as members of God’s family, and instills divine life into our souls. Baptism is discussed extensively by Jesus in the Bible. If a person was not baptized, but died for the faith, that is Baptism of Blood. If a person loved God and wanted to do all that was necessary for salvation, but was not baptized simply because he/she didn’t know about the necessity of it, that is Baptism of Desire.
Catholics are usually baptized as babies for two reasons: so that they can share in God’s grace from the very first moments of their lives, and to emphasize that salvation is a free gift. We cannot “merit” or “earn” salvation. We are saved by grace. All that is necessary is for us to cooperate with that grace through faith and works. In order for a baby to be baptized, it is essential that there be a founded hope that he/she will be raised in the Catholic faith. The Catholic Church recognizes as valid any Baptism that uses a Trinitarian formula (Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). If one is baptized and wishes to join the Catholic Church, as a rule re-Baptism does not occur. The diocesan manual dictates which Christian churches have valid Baptisms. If one is not sure if he/she was baptized, a conditional Baptism (“If you are not baptized, I baptize you”) may be performed. Baptism is ordinarily given by a priest, but it may be administered by anyone in a case of emergency when a priest is not available. (I’m a nurse and have seen policies regarding infant Baptism with a Trinitarian formula in hospital manuals.) It is not necessary for the person to be Catholic, or even to believe in infant Baptism. All that is necessary is a desire to do what the Church does. For babies who are miscarried or stillborn, the Church abandons them to the mercy of Jesus, Who asked that children be brought to Him. We trust that God, in His infinite goodness, would not abandon them to hell.
Next, we have the question of actual sin. There are two kinds of sin: venial and mortal. Mortal sins destroy the life of God in our souls. St. Paul spoke of them as sin that leads to death. These sins require three elements: grave matter (something that causes notable harm to ourselves or someone else, or is a serious offense against God), total knowledge that what one is doing is evil, and complete consent of the will. If any of these elements is missing, the sin may be only venial, or it may not be a sin at all. If a person knows that he/she has committed a mortal sin, he/she is required to confess it, and may not receive Holy Communion until that time so as not to be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord, as stated in Scripture. Venial sin, on the other hand, is less serious sin. (For example, having extramarital sex, blaspheming God, and murder are mortal sins. Stealing a can of pop, or being mean to your little brother, are venial sins.) No number of venial sins can ever equal a mortal sin. Venial sins weaken, but do not destroy, the grace in our souls. We are not obliged to confess venial sins, because they are forgiven in Holy Mass; however, it is beneficial to confess them. (One can still go to Holy Communion in a state of venial sin; in fact, this is encouraged, as it makes one less vulnerable to temptation through the grace received.) The ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is defined by the Church as a lack of repentance for sin. If you have committed a mortal sin, and go to confession but do not confess it, your confession is invalid and it is necessary to repeat all of the sins you confessed, and the one you missed, at your next confession. (If you accidentally forgot to confess the sin, you made a valid confession, but you still need to confess that particular sin at your next confession. Accidents are not sins.) ALL venial sins, even the ones we forget to confess, are forgiven in confession. Some mortal sins require receiving absolution from the bishop or even the Pope, but my understanding is that this is usually accomplished by the priest giving conditional absolution, then the priest writing a letter to the bishop or the Pope about the sin, and receiving a response where the bishop or the Pope writes that he forgives that sin. (This would be reserved for extremely serious sins, such as abandoning the faith or trying to kill the Pope - things like that.) In order to receive a pardon for our sins, we must: examine our conscience for the sins we have committed, confess them, make an act of contrition (being sorry for our sins, either because we are afraid of hell (imperfect contrition) or because we know that we have hurt Jesus (perfect contrition)), receive absolution from the priest, have a firm intention to sin no more, and then perform our penance, a prayer or good work that we do to humbly acknowledge and give thanks for the pardon and grace we have received and to indicate that we are truly sorry and desire to make amends. (The priest gives you a penance after you confess your sins.) The priest is under the Seal of the Confessional, which means he is NEVER allowed to tell anybody about your sins. St. John Nepomucene was martyred because he refused to reveal the queen’s confession to the king. This means that even if you told him you murdered somebody, he can’t be called as a witness to the trial.
Baptism is necessary for salvation because it removes original sin. When Adam and Eve sinned (the Church tells us they were real people, our first parents), they lost the life of God in their souls. As a result of their sin, all of creation became fallen and tended towards death and sin. People are born with original sin, the loss of grace and the tendency to do what is evil that we inherit because of the sin of Adam and Eve. This is NOT the same thing as personal sin. It is a STATE that we are born into. Baptism removes original sin, establishes us as members of God’s family, and instills divine life into our souls. Baptism is discussed extensively by Jesus in the Bible. If a person was not baptized, but died for the faith, that is Baptism of Blood. If a person loved God and wanted to do all that was necessary for salvation, but was not baptized simply because he/she didn’t know about the necessity of it, that is Baptism of Desire.
Catholics are usually baptized as babies for two reasons: so that they can share in God’s grace from the very first moments of their lives, and to emphasize that salvation is a free gift. We cannot “merit” or “earn” salvation. We are saved by grace. All that is necessary is for us to cooperate with that grace through faith and works. In order for a baby to be baptized, it is essential that there be a founded hope that he/she will be raised in the Catholic faith. The Catholic Church recognizes as valid any Baptism that uses a Trinitarian formula (Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). If one is baptized and wishes to join the Catholic Church, as a rule re-Baptism does not occur. The diocesan manual dictates which Christian churches have valid Baptisms. If one is not sure if he/she was baptized, a conditional Baptism (“If you are not baptized, I baptize you”) may be performed. Baptism is ordinarily given by a priest, but it may be administered by anyone in a case of emergency when a priest is not available. (I’m a nurse and have seen policies regarding infant Baptism with a Trinitarian formula in hospital manuals.) It is not necessary for the person to be Catholic, or even to believe in infant Baptism. All that is necessary is a desire to do what the Church does. For babies who are miscarried or stillborn, the Church abandons them to the mercy of Jesus, Who asked that children be brought to Him. We trust that God, in His infinite goodness, would not abandon them to hell.
Next, we have the question of actual sin. There are two kinds of sin: venial and mortal. Mortal sins destroy the life of God in our souls. St. Paul spoke of them as sin that leads to death. These sins require three elements: grave matter (something that causes notable harm to ourselves or someone else, or is a serious offense against God), total knowledge that what one is doing is evil, and complete consent of the will. If any of these elements is missing, the sin may be only venial, or it may not be a sin at all. If a person knows that he/she has committed a mortal sin, he/she is required to confess it, and may not receive Holy Communion until that time so as not to be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord, as stated in Scripture. Venial sin, on the other hand, is less serious sin. (For example, having extramarital sex, blaspheming God, and murder are mortal sins. Stealing a can of pop, or being mean to your little brother, are venial sins.) No number of venial sins can ever equal a mortal sin. Venial sins weaken, but do not destroy, the grace in our souls. We are not obliged to confess venial sins, because they are forgiven in Holy Mass; however, it is beneficial to confess them. (One can still go to Holy Communion in a state of venial sin; in fact, this is encouraged, as it makes one less vulnerable to temptation through the grace received.) The ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is defined by the Church as a lack of repentance for sin. If you have committed a mortal sin, and go to confession but do not confess it, your confession is invalid and it is necessary to repeat all of the sins you confessed, and the one you missed, at your next confession. (If you accidentally forgot to confess the sin, you made a valid confession, but you still need to confess that particular sin at your next confession. Accidents are not sins.) ALL venial sins, even the ones we forget to confess, are forgiven in confession. Some mortal sins require receiving absolution from the bishop or even the Pope, but my understanding is that this is usually accomplished by the priest giving conditional absolution, then the priest writing a letter to the bishop or the Pope about the sin, and receiving a response where the bishop or the Pope writes that he forgives that sin. (This would be reserved for extremely serious sins, such as abandoning the faith or trying to kill the Pope - things like that.) In order to receive a pardon for our sins, we must: examine our conscience for the sins we have committed, confess them, make an act of contrition (being sorry for our sins, either because we are afraid of hell (imperfect contrition) or because we know that we have hurt Jesus (perfect contrition)), receive absolution from the priest, have a firm intention to sin no more, and then perform our penance, a prayer or good work that we do to humbly acknowledge and give thanks for the pardon and grace we have received and to indicate that we are truly sorry and desire to make amends. (The priest gives you a penance after you confess your sins.) The priest is under the Seal of the Confessional, which means he is NEVER allowed to tell anybody about your sins. St. John Nepomucene was martyred because he refused to reveal the queen’s confession to the king. This means that even if you told him you murdered somebody, he can’t be called as a witness to the trial.
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His_helpmeet
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…Continued from above…
Jesus gave us the Sacrament of Confession when He told the Apostles, “If you forgive anyone’s sins they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained”. He also gave St. Peter the keys to the kingdom. Heaven has been closed through sin; the key to the kingdom requires the forgiveness of sins. He said, “Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven”. It is not that God CANNOT forgive sins just by our confessing them to Him directly; He can, and does so in dire emergencies, and with venial sins. However, He instituted the Sacrament of Confession to teach us humility, provide us with an opportunity for guidance, and to remind us that there is no such thing as a “private” sin - sin affects the whole Christian community.
If a person dies with one or more venial sins on his/her soul, that person will go to Purgatory. This is not a place where souls are held pending judgment. These souls have been judged; they will go to heaven, but they must be purified before going there. There are references in Scripture to praying for the dead. We can, and should, pray for the souls in Purgatory. We can obtain “indulgences” (a get-out-of-Purgatory-free card, effectively) through specific prayers and sacrifices, and can apply them to ourselves, or to deceased souls. (You can’t “buy” someone’s way out of Purgatory. The most you can do is provide an offering to the Church in exchange for having a Mass said for the person’s soul, which will help to get him/her released from Purgatory. God, not the Church, is in charge of who goes to Purgatory and when they enter heaven.) The Church can dictate which prayers and sacrifices can be required for indulgences, but she has no ability to “sell” indulgences. DH and I explained to DSD that Purgatory is kind of heaven’s “mudroom”, so to speak. You can’t walk into heaven with sins on your soul, just like you can’t walk into your house if you’re full of mud. You have to get cleaned off before you can go to heaven. The Church has a Sacrament called the Anointing of the Sick, that includes, among other things, the sacraments of Confession and Holy Communion. This sacrament is intended to demonstrate God’s healing power for both soul and body; it may help to improve physical health, or if it is God’s will that the person should die, it helps him/her to be prepared for the departure from this life.
Hope this helps. Sorry for the epistle, but I find that these are some of the things that Protestants typically take issue with in regards to Catholic teaching, and I find that this is often due to a lack of understanding regarding Catholic teaching. You can feel free to PM me if you have more questions - I don’t profess to be an expert, but I do know a few things about Catholic teaching.
Jesus gave us the Sacrament of Confession when He told the Apostles, “If you forgive anyone’s sins they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained”. He also gave St. Peter the keys to the kingdom. Heaven has been closed through sin; the key to the kingdom requires the forgiveness of sins. He said, “Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven”. It is not that God CANNOT forgive sins just by our confessing them to Him directly; He can, and does so in dire emergencies, and with venial sins. However, He instituted the Sacrament of Confession to teach us humility, provide us with an opportunity for guidance, and to remind us that there is no such thing as a “private” sin - sin affects the whole Christian community.
If a person dies with one or more venial sins on his/her soul, that person will go to Purgatory. This is not a place where souls are held pending judgment. These souls have been judged; they will go to heaven, but they must be purified before going there. There are references in Scripture to praying for the dead. We can, and should, pray for the souls in Purgatory. We can obtain “indulgences” (a get-out-of-Purgatory-free card, effectively) through specific prayers and sacrifices, and can apply them to ourselves, or to deceased souls. (You can’t “buy” someone’s way out of Purgatory. The most you can do is provide an offering to the Church in exchange for having a Mass said for the person’s soul, which will help to get him/her released from Purgatory. God, not the Church, is in charge of who goes to Purgatory and when they enter heaven.) The Church can dictate which prayers and sacrifices can be required for indulgences, but she has no ability to “sell” indulgences. DH and I explained to DSD that Purgatory is kind of heaven’s “mudroom”, so to speak. You can’t walk into heaven with sins on your soul, just like you can’t walk into your house if you’re full of mud. You have to get cleaned off before you can go to heaven. The Church has a Sacrament called the Anointing of the Sick, that includes, among other things, the sacraments of Confession and Holy Communion. This sacrament is intended to demonstrate God’s healing power for both soul and body; it may help to improve physical health, or if it is God’s will that the person should die, it helps him/her to be prepared for the departure from this life.
Hope this helps. Sorry for the epistle, but I find that these are some of the things that Protestants typically take issue with in regards to Catholic teaching, and I find that this is often due to a lack of understanding regarding Catholic teaching. You can feel free to PM me if you have more questions - I don’t profess to be an expert, but I do know a few things about Catholic teaching.
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total_relism
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that is not good.
so baptism only removes original sin? just wondering when it said jesus dies for our own sins, what do you see that as?.
did his death remove all sins we commit up to the baptism?.and baptism only removes original sin?not our sins? just wondering how the church supports that bionically.
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total_relism
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thanks allot for tacking the time. I do disagree and have many questions on much, however on the main topic of baptism. It only forgives original sin? what about sins committed up to that point?. The future sins we commit, did jesus die for them as well? who covers those sins before god?.
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QNDNNDQDCE
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Baptism washes away all sins committed up to that point. Sins committed after baptism have to be repented of and confessed.
You are asking the wrong questions about the forgiveness of sins. Of course Catholics teach that Christ’s sacrifice totally merited our salvation. However, the question remains how his merits are applied to us. Now, except for an extreme minority of Protestants who believe contrary to te Scriptures that the elect are justified from the historical moment of Christ’s sacrifice, we all acknowledge that we are born in sin, and we are justified at some point in time in our lives. You would say that you were born a sinner, and were justified when you came to faith in Christ or something alon those lines, right? Does this mean that your faith what takes away the sins of the world? Not at all. The necessity of faith for salvation does not detract in the slightest from the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice. St. Paul says we are saved through faith.
The Council of Trent teaches,
Of this Justification the causes are these: the final cause indeed is the glory of God and of Jesus Christ, and life everlasting; while the efficient cause is a merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing, and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance; but the meritorious cause is His most beloved only-begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross, and made satisfaction for us unto God the Father; the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified; lastly, the alone formal cause is the justice of God, not that whereby He Himself is just, but that whereby He maketh us just, that, to wit, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind, and we are not only reputed, but are truly called, and are, just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to every one as He wills, and according to each one’s proper disposition and co-operation. For, although no one can be just, but he to whom the merits of the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ are communicated, yet is this done in the said justification of the impious, when by the merit of that same most holy Passion, the charity of God is poured forth, by the Holy Spirit, in the hearts of those that are justified, and is inherent therein: whence, man, through Jesus Christ, in whom he is ingrafted, receives, in the said justification, together with the remission of sins, all these (gifts) infused at once, faith, hope, and charity. For faith, unless hope and charity be added thereto, neither unites man perfectly with Christ, nor makes him a living member of His body. For which reason it is most truly said, that Faith without works is dead and profitless; and, In Christ Jesus neither circumcision, availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by charity.
history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html
You would do well to read the whole Decree on Justification.
You are asking the wrong questions about the forgiveness of sins. Of course Catholics teach that Christ’s sacrifice totally merited our salvation. However, the question remains how his merits are applied to us. Now, except for an extreme minority of Protestants who believe contrary to te Scriptures that the elect are justified from the historical moment of Christ’s sacrifice, we all acknowledge that we are born in sin, and we are justified at some point in time in our lives. You would say that you were born a sinner, and were justified when you came to faith in Christ or something alon those lines, right? Does this mean that your faith what takes away the sins of the world? Not at all. The necessity of faith for salvation does not detract in the slightest from the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice. St. Paul says we are saved through faith.
The Council of Trent teaches,
Of this Justification the causes are these: the final cause indeed is the glory of God and of Jesus Christ, and life everlasting; while the efficient cause is a merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing, and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance; but the meritorious cause is His most beloved only-begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross, and made satisfaction for us unto God the Father; the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified; lastly, the alone formal cause is the justice of God, not that whereby He Himself is just, but that whereby He maketh us just, that, to wit, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind, and we are not only reputed, but are truly called, and are, just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to every one as He wills, and according to each one’s proper disposition and co-operation. For, although no one can be just, but he to whom the merits of the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ are communicated, yet is this done in the said justification of the impious, when by the merit of that same most holy Passion, the charity of God is poured forth, by the Holy Spirit, in the hearts of those that are justified, and is inherent therein: whence, man, through Jesus Christ, in whom he is ingrafted, receives, in the said justification, together with the remission of sins, all these (gifts) infused at once, faith, hope, and charity. For faith, unless hope and charity be added thereto, neither unites man perfectly with Christ, nor makes him a living member of His body. For which reason it is most truly said, that Faith without works is dead and profitless; and, In Christ Jesus neither circumcision, availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by charity.
history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html
You would do well to read the whole Decree on Justification.
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BenP
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How is it not good? The people involved already have been instructed on the matter. It is in my opinion implicit in the rite. The teaching of the Church is essentially that of Romans 6:3-5
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thistle
Guest
The Church teaching:
“CCC 1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.”
However, with regard to personal sins all of us can and do commit mortals sins after baptism which takes us out of a state of grace and if we die unrepentant then we go to Hell. If we commit a mortal sin we must get to Confession as soon as possible if we want those sins forgiven and receive absolution.
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total_relism
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ok so they know ahead of time that it is jesus [not priest or water] that removes the sin.
amen to that sister,go ccc 1263 lol. glad to hear it,thanks for post.
question what is mortal sin? how many are there?.
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MJCamp
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amen to that sister,go ccc 1263 lol. glad to hear it,thanks for post.
question what is mortal sin? how many are there?.
Off topic but John refers to sins that are punishable by death
1John 5: 16-17
“16If anyone sees his brother commit asinthat is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, andGodwillgivelifeto this brother – provided that it is not a deadly sin. There issinthat leads to death and I am not saying you must pray about that.17Every kind of wickedness is sin, but not allsin*leads to death.”
question what is mortal sin? how many are there?.
Off topic but John refers to sins that are punishable by death
1John 5: 16-17
“16If anyone sees his brother commit asinthat is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, andGodwillgivelifeto this brother – provided that it is not a deadly sin. There issinthat leads to death and I am not saying you must pray about that.17Every kind of wickedness is sin, but not allsin*leads to death.”
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thistle
Guest
Off topic but John refers to sins that are punishable by death
1John 5: 16-17
“16If anyone sees his brother commit asinthat is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, andGodwillgivelifeto this brother – provided that it is not a deadly sin. There issinthat leads to death and I am not saying you must pray about that.17Every kind of wickedness is sin, but not allsin*leads to death.”
Ignore this post as I’ve pressed all the wrong buttons.
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thistle
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I think I’ve got the right post now.
We are happy to discuss mortal sins with you but you should start a new thread on that specific topic and we will join you there.
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