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jeffreedy789
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(i believe that’s also in the Bible. shhhhh… pass it on.)It’s nice when non-catholics quote our Pope
Baptism in Jesus Name & Catholic Church is Only True Church
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I got a private message from him along the same lines as his last post. I assume because of his suspension he can’t get replies.
Anyway, most curious was his claim that he personally knows people persecuted by the Catholic Church. Too bad we can’t ask him to establish that doozy.
If you lurking BiJ, I did not call you any names. I’ll admit I was facetious in some of my posts, but I don’t think that is out of line considering you chose for your very first post a chip-on-the-shoulder meltdown.
For the record, the Catholic Church does not claim it knows it all. It claims it knows all that God has chosen to reveal to Christ’s one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. There is a difference. This is no more offensive than God picking out one people, the Jews, to be his chosen people. The good news about the Catholic Church is that it is open to all, so climb aboard the barque of Peter! You are in my prayers.
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Anyway, most curious was his claim that he personally knows people persecuted by the Catholic Church. Too bad we can’t ask him to establish that doozy.
If you lurking BiJ, I did not call you any names. I’ll admit I was facetious in some of my posts, but I don’t think that is out of line considering you chose for your very first post a chip-on-the-shoulder meltdown.
For the record, the Catholic Church does not claim it knows it all. It claims it knows all that God has chosen to reveal to Christ’s one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. There is a difference. This is no more offensive than God picking out one people, the Jews, to be his chosen people. The good news about the Catholic Church is that it is open to all, so climb aboard the barque of Peter! You are in my prayers.
Scott
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Did anyone else notice this in the Liturgyof the Word today. I immediately thought of this thread. The Holy Spirit just knows what He’s doing!
Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles, who were in Jerusalem, had heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John. 15 Who, when they were come, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost. 16 For he was not as yet come upon any of them; but they were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands upon them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Wouldn’t this sort of disprove that “Holiness/Oneness” churches are of the Holy Spirit since they are all about tongues, but only baptize in Jesus’ name. They claim to have received the gift of the Spirit but yet according to this passage that is not possible?
Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles, who were in Jerusalem, had heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John. 15 Who, when they were come, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost. 16 For he was not as yet come upon any of them; but they were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands upon them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Wouldn’t this sort of disprove that “Holiness/Oneness” churches are of the Holy Spirit since they are all about tongues, but only baptize in Jesus’ name. They claim to have received the gift of the Spirit but yet according to this passage that is not possible?
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CM: I noticed the same thing and had the same thought, but I don’t think it proves what you (and I) want to prove. I think the correct interpretation, or at least a likely one, is that they received only baptism, and not confirmation (the laying of hands to impart the Holy Spirit). It doesn’t say that they were rebaptized. I think that explains why Peter and John were sent. As apostles they had the authority to perform confirmation.
There is one thing that I find puzzling about this passage in Acts. The preaching and, presumably, the baptizing in Samaria were done by Philip, an apostle. I would therefore assume that the baptisms were done validly. OTOH, why didn’t he confirm them himself?
If I keep following this thread I’m going to end up really
There is one thing that I find puzzling about this passage in Acts. The preaching and, presumably, the baptizing in Samaria were done by Philip, an apostle. I would therefore assume that the baptisms were done validly. OTOH, why didn’t he confirm them himself?
If I keep following this thread I’m going to end up really
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jeffreedy789
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it certainly seems that the best course of action in this thread, considering that the originator has been suspended, is to let it die…
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Catholic_Tom
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Scott Waddell:
my stomach hurts from laughing so hard…that was funnyApparently they post in tongues as well.
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Fidelis
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Amen!
Let’s put this one to bed!
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Nevim
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Interesting post, did you know that all caps denotes shouting ?
Any way His name is not “Jesus” it’s Yahshua. The word “Jesus” has no meaning in any language. The Hebrew word Yahshua means Yahweh’s salvation. In fact where ever you see the word salvation in Scripture translaterating it back into Hebrew and it’s the word Yahshua. PS you cannot transliterate “Ieous” (Jesus) back into Hebrew it comes out as Hey-horse
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usr88
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But are you not saying you know the truth? Self-hate, huh?
…and you thought that only the pentecostal church deciphered the truth 2000 years later, huh?
…and you believe that the pentecostal church did the study right about the baptismal formula? How about other doctrines? Did the pentecostal church also make similar study, make corrections and arrive at the right form of the various doctrines?
…the Catholic Church is a church of sinners … on their way to sanctification (hopefully
). Can’t really expect many living saints among them just yet, especially by those who couldn’t stand the Catholic Church. But as a church created by man, how did the pentecostal church appeal to your ideals?
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usr88
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I thought it was ‘Yeshua’
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LilyM
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You guys do realise you’ve dredged up a two-year-old thread? By an OP who has been banned and obviously not been unbanned since?
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Drifter99
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Do all in the name of the Lord Jesus. What does that mean?
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him (Colossians 3:17).
For some reason some people can accept this verse above believing that we should do all in the name of our Lord Jesus, however they cannot understand why some people believe that we should be baptized in the name of our Lord Jesus.
What does it mean “in the name of the Lord Jesus”?
Why would Jesus to command something different than Peter and the Apostles would later command?
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
The question, another way, Why would Peter say something different than Jesus? Well, that doesn’t make much sense…
A better question, Did Peter, and all the Apostles that spent year after year with Jesus, say something different than Jesus Himself said?
No, why would they? They knew what Jesus had commanded, and they relayed that to the people.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him (Colossians 3:17).
For some reason some people can accept this verse above believing that we should do all in the name of our Lord Jesus, however they cannot understand why some people believe that we should be baptized in the name of our Lord Jesus.
What does it mean “in the name of the Lord Jesus”?
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This actually stems from a common argument against the baptizism in the name of Jesus. People claim that this is just to symbolize the authority that Jesus has been given. I couldn't agree more. We do things now in the name of Jesus because He now has all power (authority). So nothing can be done without His power (authority), nothing. "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" (Matthew 27:18). So we see that Jesus has all power, and this is evident when Paul commands, "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him" (Colossians 3:17).
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Background: Jesus' command at the end:
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(Matthew 28:18-20)
Background: Peter and the Apostles command at Pentecost:
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(Acts 2:37-39)A better question, Did Peter, and all the Apostles that spent year after year with Jesus, say something different than Jesus Himself said?
No, why would they? They knew what Jesus had commanded, and they relayed that to the people.
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Drifter99
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Another question, who is in a better position to make the call on how we should be baptized?
You? Me? Your pastor? The ‘informed’ theologist of our time? The Pope? Or Peter and the Apostles, who just a few days/weeks earlier had received the Holy Ghost and the command straight from Jesus’ mouth? This should be an easy answer, yet a lot of people refuse to understand Matthew 28:19. “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Well let’s break down this verse and to look at some scriptures to backup what Jesus was telling them.
First, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…” clearly gives the authority to the Apostles to go and teach the nations. Jesus wanted them to go forth and teach the nations all that He had taught them and showed them. Jesus wanted His salvation preached to all nations and all people so that everyone could have salvation if they believed on Him and followed Him.
Next, “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”, so we see Jesus wanted everyone to be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. I completely agree with this verse. I also completely agree with Peter’s and the Apostles understanding of this command on the day of Pentecost. First let us look at something that is easily missed. Was Jesus mistaken when he said name, singular usage, rather than names, plural usage? Did He mean there were three names in which we were to be baptized in? No, it is clear that there is one name in which we should be baptized. Which name is it, the Father’s or the Son’s or the Holy Ghost? Well before we can answer that, what are their names or what is their name?
Well, the Son’s name is easy… right? It’s Jesus. Ok that was easy. “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21)
What about the Father’s name? Hmm… Do we know God the Father’s name…….? Oh that one is almost as easy. Jesus was begotten of the Father. I know when I was begotten of my father, I took his name. But that isn’t all the evidence we have, Jesus Himself lets us know His Father’s name. “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive” (John 5:43). So if Jesus came in His Father’s name, and Jesus’ name was Jesus, then clearly, if he came in His Father’s name, the Father’s name is also Jesus. Also, if you really want to get technical, go back to the Old Testament and the first Hebrew bible. Yahweh is an English reading of God’s name (the Tetragrammaton), the name of the God of the Jews or the people of Israel, as preserved in the original consonantal Hebrew Bible text. Although, translated many, many times to different languages, Yahweh or YHWH is the name used in the Old Testament as the name of God. What the Old Testament tells us about YHWH, it tells us the same things about Jesus. They are the same, with the same name. Example:
You? Me? Your pastor? The ‘informed’ theologist of our time? The Pope? Or Peter and the Apostles, who just a few days/weeks earlier had received the Holy Ghost and the command straight from Jesus’ mouth? This should be an easy answer, yet a lot of people refuse to understand Matthew 28:19. “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Well let’s break down this verse and to look at some scriptures to backup what Jesus was telling them.
First, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…” clearly gives the authority to the Apostles to go and teach the nations. Jesus wanted them to go forth and teach the nations all that He had taught them and showed them. Jesus wanted His salvation preached to all nations and all people so that everyone could have salvation if they believed on Him and followed Him.
Next, “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”, so we see Jesus wanted everyone to be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. I completely agree with this verse. I also completely agree with Peter’s and the Apostles understanding of this command on the day of Pentecost. First let us look at something that is easily missed. Was Jesus mistaken when he said name, singular usage, rather than names, plural usage? Did He mean there were three names in which we were to be baptized in? No, it is clear that there is one name in which we should be baptized. Which name is it, the Father’s or the Son’s or the Holy Ghost? Well before we can answer that, what are their names or what is their name?
Well, the Son’s name is easy… right? It’s Jesus. Ok that was easy. “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21)
What about the Father’s name? Hmm… Do we know God the Father’s name…….? Oh that one is almost as easy. Jesus was begotten of the Father. I know when I was begotten of my father, I took his name. But that isn’t all the evidence we have, Jesus Himself lets us know His Father’s name. “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive” (John 5:43). So if Jesus came in His Father’s name, and Jesus’ name was Jesus, then clearly, if he came in His Father’s name, the Father’s name is also Jesus. Also, if you really want to get technical, go back to the Old Testament and the first Hebrew bible. Yahweh is an English reading of God’s name (the Tetragrammaton), the name of the God of the Jews or the people of Israel, as preserved in the original consonantal Hebrew Bible text. Although, translated many, many times to different languages, Yahweh or YHWH is the name used in the Old Testament as the name of God. What the Old Testament tells us about YHWH, it tells us the same things about Jesus. They are the same, with the same name. Example:
- YHWH: Is.40:3,5: The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the YHWH, make straight in the desert a highway for our GOD. And the glory of the YHWH shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the YHWH hath spoken it.
- Jesus Christ: Mat.3:1-3: In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the YHWH (Jesus), make his paths straight.
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Speaking to their name: Paul makes it clear to us that the whole family of God bears the name of the Father. “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” (Ephesians 3:14-15). So the Son, Jesus, is part of that family, and the Holy Ghost is part of that family, thus they have the same name as the Father. Even Christians take on Jesus’ name (explained below), as we are (adopted) born into the heavenly family, through Christ. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father” (Romans 8:14-15). So we must be born of water and of the Spirit, in the name of Jesus, else we are not adopted into the Father’s family. How can we be part of the family unless we take on the name, and how can we take on the name less we be born of the water and of the Spirit in His name. This is very clear, “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5).
(The bible speaks to how special Jesus’ name is: “Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they” (Hebrews 1:4) He inherited a more excellent name than they, and if we are born into the heavenly family, then we too share in that inheritance. “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together” (Romans 8:16-17). So we see as heirs and joint-heirs with Christ we share in His inheritance, thus we share in everything He will and has inherited, only through His name.)
Why does it matter how I am baptized?
Does it matter what name you pray in?
“And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you” (John 16:23).
Does it matter whose blood covers your sins?
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).
Does it matter what name you profess before men?
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 10:32). (This is Jesus speaking, so “me” is Jesus)
Does it matter what you call yourself before men (So they know who you follow)?
Christian, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). (Again Jesus is speaking).
Does it matter who you follow?
“And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me” (Mark 8:34).
Does it matter who will save your soul?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Who’s name? Jesus
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:10-12).
Does it matter who died for you?
“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
“And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour” (Ephesians 5:2).
"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." (Revelation 5:1-6).
Jesus is the only one who is worthy to save us.
(The bible speaks to how special Jesus’ name is: “Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they” (Hebrews 1:4) He inherited a more excellent name than they, and if we are born into the heavenly family, then we too share in that inheritance. “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together” (Romans 8:16-17). So we see as heirs and joint-heirs with Christ we share in His inheritance, thus we share in everything He will and has inherited, only through His name.)
Why does it matter how I am baptized?
Does it matter what name you pray in?
“And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you” (John 16:23).
Does it matter whose blood covers your sins?
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).
Does it matter what name you profess before men?
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 10:32). (This is Jesus speaking, so “me” is Jesus)
Does it matter what you call yourself before men (So they know who you follow)?
Christian, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). (Again Jesus is speaking).
Does it matter who you follow?
“And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me” (Mark 8:34).
Does it matter who will save your soul?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Who’s name? Jesus
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:10-12).
Does it matter who died for you?
“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
“And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour” (Ephesians 5:2).
"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." (Revelation 5:1-6).
Jesus is the only one who is worthy to save us.
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Drifter99
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So, Does it matter how you are baptized and in who’s name you are baptized?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38).
“Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” (Acts 8:14-16)
“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days” (Acts 10:48).
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 19:5).
“And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord” (Acts 22:16).
“And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11).
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women” (Acts 8:12).
“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days” (Acts 10:45-48).
“And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 19:3-5) If these men had been baptized already… why get baptized again? Because they had too, Paul told them to believe on Jesus, and when we believe on Jesus, then we must do what He said. Be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and that name, his name, is Jesus.
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life” (Romans 6:3-4). So if we aren’t baptized into Jesus Christ’s death, and buried with him by His baptism, then how can we be sure we will be raised up like Him.
“Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:12-13) Paul here is insisting that there is only one baptism. Christ is not divided. Paul wasn’t crucified for us. We aren’t baptized in the name of Paul. Jesus was crucified for us, and we must be baptized in His name, Jesus.
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ” (Galatians 3:27). So, clearly, if we aren’t baptized into Christ, we have not put on Christ.
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19). Peter and the apostles knew that name. They knew the name in which Jesus spoke of in this passage. So they gave that name at the day of Pentecost. Jesus!!
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
The only way unto God is through Jesus. Through His name, His blood, His baptism, His Spirit, His Grace etc. Don’t trust your salvation unto a man, believe the scriptures. Believe what the Lord Jesus taught. Believe what the Word of God says. Study this yourself, earnestly seek, pray, fast, ask for wisdom, ask for the Truth, and believe that God will show you because He desires us all to be saved and join Him in His kingdom. If you ask, and truly, diligently seek and want to know the Truth, God will not let you down.
Is baptism not a confession before men?
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 10:32-33)
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The scriptures are clear. Jesus is our only hope. Jesus IS the Grace of God.“Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” (Acts 8:14-16)
“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days” (Acts 10:48).
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 19:5).
“And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord” (Acts 22:16).
“And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11).
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women” (Acts 8:12).
“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days” (Acts 10:45-48).
“And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 19:3-5) If these men had been baptized already… why get baptized again? Because they had too, Paul told them to believe on Jesus, and when we believe on Jesus, then we must do what He said. Be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and that name, his name, is Jesus.
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life” (Romans 6:3-4). So if we aren’t baptized into Jesus Christ’s death, and buried with him by His baptism, then how can we be sure we will be raised up like Him.
“Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:12-13) Paul here is insisting that there is only one baptism. Christ is not divided. Paul wasn’t crucified for us. We aren’t baptized in the name of Paul. Jesus was crucified for us, and we must be baptized in His name, Jesus.
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ” (Galatians 3:27). So, clearly, if we aren’t baptized into Christ, we have not put on Christ.
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19). Peter and the apostles knew that name. They knew the name in which Jesus spoke of in this passage. So they gave that name at the day of Pentecost. Jesus!!
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
The only way unto God is through Jesus. Through His name, His blood, His baptism, His Spirit, His Grace etc. Don’t trust your salvation unto a man, believe the scriptures. Believe what the Lord Jesus taught. Believe what the Word of God says. Study this yourself, earnestly seek, pray, fast, ask for wisdom, ask for the Truth, and believe that God will show you because He desires us all to be saved and join Him in His kingdom. If you ask, and truly, diligently seek and want to know the Truth, God will not let you down.
Is baptism not a confession before men?
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 10:32-33)
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Drifter99
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What is it about the name of Jesus that you believe God would object to?
I pray for all who read this as Paul said before, “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:” (Ephesians 1:17).
Outside References on the history of baptism:
BRITANICA ENCYCLOPEDIA
The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son &
Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the Second Century. – 11th Edit., Vol. 3, ppg. 365-366.
CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION
The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of the Trinity
Doctrine in the Second Century.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
Here the Catholics acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church. – Vol. 2,
pg. 263.
HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION
Christian baptism was administered using the words, “in the name of Jesus.” – Vol. 2, pg. 377.
Baptism was always in the name of Lord Jesus until time of Justin Martyr when Triune formula
used. – Vol. 2, pg. 389. NAME was an ancient synonym for “person.” Payment was always made
in the name of some person referring to ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus’
name became His personal property. “Ye are Christ’s.” – Vol. 2, pg. 377 on Acts 2:38.
Yahweh is defined in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance by number 3068 Yahovah yeh-ho-vaw’ from 01961; TWOT-484a; n pr dei AV-LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519 Jehovah =" the existing One" 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
I pray for all who read this as Paul said before, “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:” (Ephesians 1:17).
Outside References on the history of baptism:
BRITANICA ENCYCLOPEDIA
The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son &
Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the Second Century. – 11th Edit., Vol. 3, ppg. 365-366.
CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION
The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of the Trinity
Doctrine in the Second Century.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
Here the Catholics acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church. – Vol. 2,
pg. 263.
HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION
Christian baptism was administered using the words, “in the name of Jesus.” – Vol. 2, pg. 377.
Baptism was always in the name of Lord Jesus until time of Justin Martyr when Triune formula
used. – Vol. 2, pg. 389. NAME was an ancient synonym for “person.” Payment was always made
in the name of some person referring to ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus’
name became His personal property. “Ye are Christ’s.” – Vol. 2, pg. 377 on Acts 2:38.
Yahweh is defined in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance by number 3068 Yahovah yeh-ho-vaw’ from 01961; TWOT-484a; n pr dei AV-LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519 Jehovah =" the existing One" 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
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die2live
Guest
Hi everyone,
It’s been awhile since I posted, so please bear with me. I read the post as well, and it is very confusing. That being said, I was surprised that no one said, “Could you please explain that again?”
It’s obvious to me that the person was angry when they wrote the post. Yet, it also surprised me that you all reacted with sarcasm and criticism, and even knit-picking by pointing out spelling errors. Be careful that you are guilty of “Straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel” (Matt 23:24)
Jesus also said, “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who who hate you, and pray for those that spitefully use you and persecute you.” (Matt.5:44)
In other words, if someone disagrees with you, have the patience to explain to them why you believe what you believe. If you can not explain it, then make sure you understand what you do believe.
May God guide you continually
It’s been awhile since I posted, so please bear with me. I read the post as well, and it is very confusing. That being said, I was surprised that no one said, “Could you please explain that again?”
It’s obvious to me that the person was angry when they wrote the post. Yet, it also surprised me that you all reacted with sarcasm and criticism, and even knit-picking by pointing out spelling errors. Be careful that you are guilty of “Straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel” (Matt 23:24)
Jesus also said, “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who who hate you, and pray for those that spitefully use you and persecute you.” (Matt.5:44)
In other words, if someone disagrees with you, have the patience to explain to them why you believe what you believe. If you can not explain it, then make sure you understand what you do believe.
May God guide you continually
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Drifter99
Guest
I agree, I tried in my post to explain it better. The person who initially posted this topic is probably gone. I would be willing to explain to anyone who wants why the name of Jesus is so special.
I don’t see how in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, calls upon His authority without acknowledging His wonderful name. Unless you see that all power was given unto Jesus and without His name there is no power or authority. It’s their name, the name that Jesus came in, His Father’s, and the name in which the Holy Ghost was sent, Jesus, that holds all authority.
When people want to be thought of as someone special, they may drop a name of someone they are friends with. ‘Oh, I’m friends with George Bush, he is the president of the United States.’ ‘Oh, My savior is Jesus Christ, He is the Son of God.’ The title president of the United States doesn’t hold the power or authority, when George Bush signs a bill, he doesn’t sign, “The President”, he signs ‘George W. Bush’. The title Son of God doesn’t hold the power, it is the name Jesus Christ, in which holds the authority and power. I know that when He signs His blood over me and my sins, it will be in His name, “Jesus”, not “The Son”.
What was expected of them (the apostles), in the name of Jesus, is expected of us. Without His name we aren’t of Him, “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ” (Galatians 3:27). So, clearly, if we aren’t baptized into Christ, we have not put on Christ.
To some people the definition of a name has been put aside, but I can still see and realize that His name is all authority and without it we have nothing.
In Jesus’ name,
Daniel.
I don’t see how in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, calls upon His authority without acknowledging His wonderful name. Unless you see that all power was given unto Jesus and without His name there is no power or authority. It’s their name, the name that Jesus came in, His Father’s, and the name in which the Holy Ghost was sent, Jesus, that holds all authority.
When people want to be thought of as someone special, they may drop a name of someone they are friends with. ‘Oh, I’m friends with George Bush, he is the president of the United States.’ ‘Oh, My savior is Jesus Christ, He is the Son of God.’ The title president of the United States doesn’t hold the power or authority, when George Bush signs a bill, he doesn’t sign, “The President”, he signs ‘George W. Bush’. The title Son of God doesn’t hold the power, it is the name Jesus Christ, in which holds the authority and power. I know that when He signs His blood over me and my sins, it will be in His name, “Jesus”, not “The Son”.
What was expected of them (the apostles), in the name of Jesus, is expected of us. Without His name we aren’t of Him, “For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ” (Galatians 3:27). So, clearly, if we aren’t baptized into Christ, we have not put on Christ.
To some people the definition of a name has been put aside, but I can still see and realize that His name is all authority and without it we have nothing.
In Jesus’ name,
Daniel.
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Mannyfit75
Guest
Pentecostal praying is tongues is just jiberish. It’s not from God. It’s just man-made.
Here is the background of this sect:
Agnes Ozman (1870-1937) was a female student at Charles Fox Parham’s Bethel Bible School in Topeka, Kansas. Ozman’s experience was considered by many as “the first to speak in tongues,” which sparked the modern Pentecostal-Holiness movement in the early 20th century.
Her parents were farmers and since childhood, Agnes and her six siblings attended the Methodist Episcopal Church in Nebraska, Wisconsin. As a young woman, Ozman participated in Bible institutions and eventually attended the Bethel Bible School in Kansas.
Parham taught his students with regard to the Holiness movement of which he introduced the concepts of Divine healing and Sanctification. Parham pondered over what the bible verse “receiving Baptism of the Holy Spirit” meant and whether any evidence could be found. Parham gave his students three days, while he was absent, to ponder over this issue.
By the time he returnes his students jointly agreed that if the Holy Spirit had descended upon an individual, then speaking in other tongues was sufficient proof of that. The students pointed out that this type of event was mentioned four times in Acts of the Apostles.
Therefore on a New Year’s Eve Parham and his students planned to pray for the Holy Spirit. So in 1901, after midnight of the first day, Ozman asked her mentor to pray specifically so that she could be filled with the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands on her so that she could speak in another tongue.
According to her fellow students, their prayers were heard in which her colleagues reported that a halo had surrounded both her face and head and that she started speaking in the Chinese language. Not long afterward Parham and thirty four other students also began speaking in unknown languages.
As Quoted [1]: “It is said that Ozman could not speak English for three days and was only able to write in Chinese characters.” and “Many that day experienced other gifts of the Spirit, and soon the little group went off from Kansas City to share the good news”. [2].
Later in her life Agnes changed her views and admitted that she had been wrong to believe that all people would speak in tongues when they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
In 1937, Ozman died from a heart failure.
Retrieved from “Agnes Ozman - Wikipedia”
History of Pentecostals en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism
Yes, my friends Oneness Pentecostal is man made-religion… Believe it… It lack no real presence of Jesus… like all the rest of them.
Here is the background of this sect:
Agnes Ozman (1870-1937) was a female student at Charles Fox Parham’s Bethel Bible School in Topeka, Kansas. Ozman’s experience was considered by many as “the first to speak in tongues,” which sparked the modern Pentecostal-Holiness movement in the early 20th century.
Her parents were farmers and since childhood, Agnes and her six siblings attended the Methodist Episcopal Church in Nebraska, Wisconsin. As a young woman, Ozman participated in Bible institutions and eventually attended the Bethel Bible School in Kansas.
Parham taught his students with regard to the Holiness movement of which he introduced the concepts of Divine healing and Sanctification. Parham pondered over what the bible verse “receiving Baptism of the Holy Spirit” meant and whether any evidence could be found. Parham gave his students three days, while he was absent, to ponder over this issue.
By the time he returnes his students jointly agreed that if the Holy Spirit had descended upon an individual, then speaking in other tongues was sufficient proof of that. The students pointed out that this type of event was mentioned four times in Acts of the Apostles.
Therefore on a New Year’s Eve Parham and his students planned to pray for the Holy Spirit. So in 1901, after midnight of the first day, Ozman asked her mentor to pray specifically so that she could be filled with the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands on her so that she could speak in another tongue.
According to her fellow students, their prayers were heard in which her colleagues reported that a halo had surrounded both her face and head and that she started speaking in the Chinese language. Not long afterward Parham and thirty four other students also began speaking in unknown languages.
As Quoted [1]: “It is said that Ozman could not speak English for three days and was only able to write in Chinese characters.” and “Many that day experienced other gifts of the Spirit, and soon the little group went off from Kansas City to share the good news”. [2].
Later in her life Agnes changed her views and admitted that she had been wrong to believe that all people would speak in tongues when they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
In 1937, Ozman died from a heart failure.
Retrieved from “Agnes Ozman - Wikipedia”
History of Pentecostals en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism
Yes, my friends Oneness Pentecostal is man made-religion… Believe it… It lack no real presence of Jesus… like all the rest of them.
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