Baptism in Rivers or Lakes

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I got batized as Roman Catholic when I was still a baby. How can I respond to a Protestant who says baptism should occur when the baby is “grown up” to know and understand why he or she is being baptized.

How can I also respond when they say that even Jesus got baptized when he was older.

Lastly, why do Protestants get baptized on either River’s or Lakes?

Thank you and God Bless!
 
Scripture says that there is only one baptism.

Secondly ask on what authority do they challenge your baptism?

Paul
 
Scripture says that there is only one baptism.
Secondly ask on what authority do they challenge your baptism?
Where in the bible can I find it written that there is only one baptism? I do know that if one is baptized as Roman Catholic, he or she is RC remains forever (it’s already imprinted), even though that person converts to another religion and denounce their RC faith and gets baptized as Protestant. They say baptism is a “symbol” and one could have baptized many times.

Protestants have told me that when we baptize children, we are not giving them the right to choose. They do not practice infant baptism, they have a baby dedication ceremony. They believe that water baptism only has efficacy after a person has reached an age to have the ability to make a conscious decision to follow Christ. Since infants do not have that capacity, it is believed that the purity of infancy and early childhood protects them from the judgements of God. A prayer is offered for God to help the parents fulfill their part of the dedication and for the child to be led by the Spirit at the right time into a decision to make of life commitment to Christ.
 
Some faiths get baptized in “moving water” ie. rivers, creeks, etc. because the River Jordon is where the Lord was baptized and it was moving. They find a place waist deep and completely imerse the person they baptized because the Lord “came up from the water” when he was baptized. Then and ONLY then is a person truely baptized, according to their faith. These faiths don’t believe pools or other artificial bodies of water are acceptable.
 
It is indeed possible to be baptised in a Lake or River. However one does not have to be at a Lake or River to be baptised. All that is required is Good Clean Water.

The Church has never outlawed such “full immersion” Baptisms, however in the times of the Roman empire, not everyone had access to Running water, it was not “On tap”… especially people who may be near death or suffering from illness that desires to be baptised. And it was more difficult to transport water than it is today. Therefore Church practise evolved allowing the introduction of Baptismal Fonts where running water, either though man made water supply, or through Natural Water supply, was not avalible. This is because people who are near death and want to be baptised are not going to be refused because they aren’t near running water. Clearly that’s not what Christ wanted to happen, people to be refused baptism because they cannot be physically transported to a Riverside.

The church today perhaps it can be said has the Luxury of good water supply, and perhaps these baptisms may become more common… there was a time when it didn’t have the modern luxury of running water and Baptismal Fonts were a nessecery requirement.

Protestant churches, only having existed in modern times, do not nessecerily understand the problem of water supply in ancient times.
 
Protestants have told me that when we baptize children, we are not giving them the right to choose. They do not practice infant baptism, they have a baby dedication ceremony. They believe that water baptism only has efficacy after a person has reached an age to have the ability to make a conscious decision to follow Christ. Since infants do not have that capacity, it is believed that the purity of infancy and early childhood protects them from the judgements of God. A prayer is offered for God to help the parents fulfill their part of the dedication and for the child to be led by the Spirit at the right time into a decision to make of life commitment to Christ.
It’s weird how Protestants can say things like that. Though my mother and her parents were Catholic, my father was hardcore Southern Baptist and brought us up as Protestants. I remember very well being made to pray kneeling at bedside every night, being made to read a chapter or three from the Bible every night, being made to go to Sunday school, etc. I certainly never remember being able to choose whether I believed as a Christian, so what difference does it make when I got baptized? I could have easily been baptized at birth rather than at 8 years old (when I was informed that I was going to be baptized), for all the choice I had in the matter.
 
Lastly, why do Protestants get baptized on either River’s or Lakes?
Sometimes it’s because there’s no other place to be baptized and the people believe in baptism by immersion. Sometimes because it seems more meaningful, as Jesus was baptized in a river.

But most non-Catholic Christians are not baptized in rivers or lakes. Most churches have baptismals and baptize folks there.
 
I got batized as Roman Catholic when I was still a baby. How can I respond to a Protestant who says baptism should occur when the baby is “grown up” to know and understand why he or she is being baptized.

How can I also respond when they say that even Jesus got baptized when he was older.
When the Apostles began baptizing, they baptized entire households.

It has been that way from the beginning and the example is in scripture. We have obeyed the simple instruction to baptize. Only later did people begin to theorize why we baptize. For Eastern Christians, it is a beginning of a new life in Christ and an acceptance into the community. It confers graces in a rather undefined way. Later, Latin Christians elaborated on that to state that original sin is removed at baptism. That’s not necessarily wrong or right from an Eastern perspective, but the nature of original sin has been traditionally understood differently from the east to the west.

The three sacraments of Baptism, Communion and Chrismation were called the initiatory sacraments. Often these would be given all together, by the bishop at the cathedral.

Later the Latin church began delaying Chrismation until the child would become older, because it was thought better to catechize the child (or adult) and that they make a conscious decision. The bishops retained the sacrament to themselves in most cases, while allowing priests to confer the other two in the parish system shortly after birth (or conversion). The bishops would do the Chrismation/Confirmation as they traveled the circuits from parish to mission to parish.

Meanwhile, later in the east, the bishops would give the Holy Chrism to the local priests, and the priests would be delegated to do all three sacraments at once shortly after birth (or conversion).

Also, the Latin west began to think that for one to be fit to receive Holy Communion one must be conscious of the difference between good and evil, in other words, one must be capable of sinning before being allowed to partake. In a sense confession replaced communion as an initiatory sacrament because it had to happen first. I am not sure what century that change took place.

So you see in two out of the three initiatory sacraments the west eventually decided to delay until the child was old enough to understand and be conscious of the sacrament.

So finally some Protestants of the sixteenth century, with their western understanding of original sin, decided that washing this sin away is only possible if one can make a conscious decision. It seems to be an extension of the logic applied to communion and confirmation.

But we know from history that babies were baptized routinely, so that theory does not match the evidence.
Lastly, why do Protestants get baptized on either River’s or Lakes?

Thank you and God Bless!
Actually, they are on very strong footing with this practice and the whole church definitely would be OK doing that, if possible.

The Didache, the oldest known instruction on the subject directs that we use “living water” or running water. That means streams and rivers and pools that are not stagnant. This is to be preferred, but already exceptions were allowed:

Now about baptism, baptize as follows: after first explaining all these points, baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit*" in running water. But if you do not have running water, baptize in other water. Now if you cannot in cold, then in in warm water. Now if you have neither, pour water three times on the head, "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"* Now before the baptism, let the baptizer and the one being baptized fast, and any others who are able. Require the candidate to fast for one or two days previously.
Didache; ACW #6 pg 19
 
I got batized as Roman Catholic when I was still a baby. How can I respond to a Protestant who says baptism should occur when the baby is “grown up” to know and understand why he or she is being baptized.

How can I also respond when they say that even Jesus got baptized when he was older.

Lastly, why do Protestants get baptized on either River’s or Lakes?

Thank you and God Bless!
To answer your other two questions, the fact that a Child who may not understand what is happening gets Baptised, does not invalidate the baptism itself, as far as I know there is no indication, even in scripture, that a Baptism is invalidated if someone isn’t in the right frame of mind when they get baptised. Ask them to point out where that is indicated in scripture? This would make our religion a selective and dangerous theology because it means the incapicated or mentally ill would be denied the Graces of baptism because they may not understand what is happening. They may not accept that this is the Path where their teaching leads, but it clearly does.

Some Catholic parents just feel safer to have it already have happened at birth and then raise them in faith(at least as best they can). It is Good to have a Choice, but you have to balance that with the desire to save a person by allowing them to get baptised and recieve the Graces of God. This is why no correctly worded and performed baptism is invalid, even when the person is not in the right frame of mind.
 
Most protestants conduct infant baptism. There are exceptions, of course (the Baptist denomination for example), but as a general rule it is infant baptism.
 
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Protestants can say a lot of stuff. But really who are they to make up their own doctrine on baptism.
 
Orthodox and Catholic baptisms happen in streams and lakes all the time.

Where did you get the idea that this was a Protestant thing?
 
I got batized as Roman Catholic when I was still a baby. How can I respond to a Protestant who says baptism should occur when the baby is “grown up” to know and understand why he or she is being baptized.

How can I also respond when they say that even Jesus got baptized when he was older.
First, you might remind your Protestant friend that the Lord’s baptism wasn’t a Christian baptism.

Second, your friend should be familiar with the Old Testament which shows that the male children of the Old Covenant were given the sign of the covenant - circumcision - on the eighth day of life. IOW, a Jewish boy was recognized as a Jew within the covenant as an infant, before he could express any faith of his own. And when he was given the sign of the covenant which made him a Jew, he was expected to live as a Jew, to believe as a Jew, and to be faithful as a Jew. Now with Baptism, the sign of the New Covenant is something both girls and boys can receive as infants. If the New Covenant surpasses the Old, why would it exclude children of believers when children had formerly been included? The new converts from Judaism would not have seen this an an improvement.

Further, in the ancient world in those societies where circumcision was practiced, it was the Jews alone who circumcised infants, whereas the other societies waited until the boy was about to enter manhood; thus it was a rite of passage associated with fertility, where for the Jews circumcision (and later Baptism with the Christians) was a sign of a covenant entered into with God.in the ancient world in those societies where circumcision was practiced, it was the Jews alone who circumcised infants whereas the other societies waited until the boy was about to enter manhood; thus for the non-Jews it was a rite of passage associated with fertility, where for the Jews circumcision (and later Baptism with the Christians) was a sign of a covenant entered into with God from the beginning of a child’s life.
 
That is going to to be a difficult argument to make,
I don’t think so, Hesychios; the Lord wasn’t, of course, baptized into His own death and resurrection (cf. Rom. 6:1-7). Further, as St. Paul says (in today’s reading from Acts 19, coincidentally), the baptism of John isn’t sufficient for believers.
 
Orthodox and Catholic baptisms happen in streams and lakes all the time.
Where did you get the idea that this was a Protestant thing?
I got it from my boyfriend who is a Baptist. He told me that at his church, he has seen kids where they are actually the ones who ask their parents when they will be baptized. They don’t baptized infants, they dedicate them.

I have not yet witnessed a Catholic baptism in streams and lakes, therefore I assume that it’s generally a Protestant practice.

Thank you to all who replied to this thread. I love going to this mb because I learn a lot of information about our faith.
 
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