Baptism is key for salvation?

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Mark 16:16 says “whoever believes and is baptized will be saved.” Which I would argue is a pretty solid verse for defending baptism. However, how can we explain Luke 23:42-43 where the criminal asks Jesus to remember him in paradise and Jesus responds “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” So my question is how does Mark 16:16 coexist with Luke 23:42-43? This might be a rudimentary question, but I was curious about it.
 
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It is key. However, some are Baptized in a different way (Blood Baptism) than the usual one (Water Baptism) and maybe this exception is why some people think “water unbaptized” can be saved.
 
As the Catechism states, God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but He Himself is not bound by the sacraments.

In other words, Baptism is the way God has revealed to us that we can be sure of receiving the sanctifying grace necessary for salvation. But that doesn’t mean God cannot work in other ways.

So we stress the importance and necessity of Baptism, but still hold out hope for those who die without having been baptized.
 
Does this mean that Saint Dismas (received? Underwent?) baptism of desire/baptism of blood?
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St. Dismas would have been saved by Baptism of Desire (Lk 23:42 … “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom”), but not by Baptism of Blood. Baptism of Blood is when an unbaptized person’s life is taken, or given up, because of Our Lord. This was not the reason for Dismas’ crucifixion. His life was taken in punishment for the crimes he had committed (Lk 23:41 "…for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds.)
 
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God isn’t bound by His sacraments. We’re all expected to do the best we can with whatever we’re given in terms of time, opportunity, knowledge/revelation, grace, etc, with more expected from those given more (Luke 12:48). The Parable of the Talents also sheds light on this principle.

What more can we do? What more could’ve the thief done? Had he been allowed down from his cross then more would’ve been expected of him, including, presumably, baptism early on.
 
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The truths of Jesus Christ are inter related. The case for baptism becomes more clear and certain when we look at other basic teachings.

God’s Truths are interconnected and part of the one whole Truth.
  1. THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
  2. ORIGINAL SIN
  3. BAPTISM
  4. INFANT BAPTISM
  5. THE MERITS OF JESUS ARE NECESSARY FOR HEAVEN
  6. SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT
  7. PERSEVERING IN FAITH
  8. CIRCUMCISION AND BAPTISM
  9. CONCLUSION
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No one gets into heaven except by the saving work of Jesus Christ. Even an innocent little baby born into the world does not deserve the gift of heaven. It’s only when the graces won by Jesus Christ are applied to his soul is that baby made worthy of the awesome gift of heaven. If a baby dies before he is baptized we should pray that God gives him a spiritual baptism and apply those graces to his soul as we trust in the mercy of God.

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BAPTISM : Biblical Explanation of the Sacrament

https://www.defendingthebride.com/sc/baptism.html

John
 
Where is the Bible verse that states the thief was not baptized?
 
He was probably not baptized with Baptism by water, but he was with Baptism of Desire (a baptism included in Catholic teaching.) Dismas’ confession of sin, his faith and desire are shown in the words he spoke as he hung next to Our Lord. “Confess” in Luke 23:41
and “desire” in Luke 23:42.
We know Jesus accepted his “Baptism of desire” because He said Dismas would be with Him that day in paradise.
 
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You are correct in what you say.

So, God forbid, you are in a bad car accident, I drive by and help you out of you wrecked car, the medical team comes on scene, as they putting you in the ambulance, you died.

According to your statement I must assume that you were not baptized, as I saw no one take you out of the car and baptize you before you died.

If I was in that situation, I was baptized years ago, I would not need to be taken out of the wrecked auto and be re-baptized again.
 
theorangeandblue said:
Baptism being the key to salvation is salvation by works.

Jesus is the key for Salvation. Jesus is the only way. We can’t save ourselves. The repentant thief didn’t get a chance to be baptized. He repented the last hour of his life.
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The irony of this reply is that Born Agains think that “accepting the Lord Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior” is all that is necessary. Yet that is precisely being saved by a “work” of man. In Baptism, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit perform the work of Salvation on man, using the means INSTITUTED by Jesus, and pre-figured by John the Baptist, indeed the Israelites in the desert with Moses. Jesus and the Apostles THEMSELVES baptized believers. It’s in the Bible! The Bible (New Testament) is full of allusions to Baptism. Even the Old Testament is. But when only certain verses of the Bible hold any meaning, it’s pretty hard to understand why those other verses are necessary. Baptismal regeneration is REAL. Denying it, is a FUNDAMENTAL error.
 
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The irony of this reply is that Born Agains think that “accepting the Lord Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior” is all that is necessary.
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Yes… And the Irony of that
  • is that some think by merely saying and/or assenting to - that Mantra w/a Yes,
    that the Mantra Itself has Saved Them
Yet… That’s not what Salvation is all about - according to - The Bible…

And then? They BackSlide at times… And feel unSaved…

The Lord Saves all who in Reality Obey the Will of God by Keeping His Command in Action and Deed…

And Deed is oft-mentioned as being How God Rewards.

Deed/Works is never following the Mosaic laws - but by Loving One Another in Deed.

And by never Judging anyone’s Soul - not even one’s own.

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