Baptism of babies & infants

  • Thread starter Thread starter placido
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Well
I was wondering, you have to be baptized to become a true child of God right? Well what happens if the baby dies before it is baptized?
 
Mickey said …duuuuuuu

And Rev Kevin responded …Never said that as a matter of fact my church teaches about the trinity. Don’t assume what I say unless I say it specifically. I never mentioned the trinity here you did.

I don’t think that was a question of jumping from one topic to the other. That was rather a question of pointing out your blatant inconsistency - rejecting infant baptism because you don’t find it in the Bible, yet believing the Trinity even though you don’t find it in the Bible.

What inconsistency I never said I rejeced infant baptism don’t put words in my mouth ok! Open your eyes and read what someone writes and stop assuming things. Like I stated earler I could care less who and when you baptize or didn’t you read that or once again you assume. I just said point it out in the bible that states Infant baptism. Don’t sound like rejection to me. If not a jump than what is it baptism to trinity seems like a jump to me since it is not the subject at hand.

Go tell that to the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Oneness Pentecostals. They, using the Bible alone, will accuse you of a serious heresy.

Oh that hurt. Come up with something better that that. How about you tell them since you want to push your beliefs on other religions. I could care less what they accuse me of and they will accuse you of the same thing.Oh,oh they might burn me at the stake for heresy what you say, buuuuudy

But how, exactly, do the presence of all 3 make a trinity? If I, for example, find Rev Kevin speaking, his son being baptized and his wife (wearing a beautiful white dress) looking on, can I go forth and say I have seen a trinity? If not, why not?

God the Son being baptized (1) God the Father spoke (2) God the Holy Spirit like a dove (3) see all 3 are one person God notice the one word God at the begening of each. Wife one person, son different person , father or me another different person see 3 different people no trinity here. Ok here’s one, Jesus is God in the flesh right, they why does he pray to God the Father, isn’t that him also, wouldn’t he be praying to himself. If not Why?

placido
 
I do not see Protestantism and Catholicism as two different religions. You can see it how you want but your examples of Catholicism v. Islam only makes your position all the more strange. Are you suggesting that the divide between Protestantism and Catholicism is on par to the divide between Catholicism and Islam?
No just pointing the difference. Do you have the same views as the Ialams do.

You are non-denominational so there are some things that you agree on with Baptists and things you don’t. Are you and Baptists members of two different religions?

See I preach non-dom because I preach at nursing homes to the elderly and there are different religions there. So not to offend any of them I preach that way. I preach to the catholics,baptist and so on. So if I preach in a non-dom way I offend noone.

Again this is apples to oranges comparison.

If thats what you say

Hold on there rev. Lets not put words into my mouth. You are the one suggesting that you and I are of two different religions.

See above for the reason

:confused: And yet you believe we are of two different religions…

See above reason

Notice the phrase,* “…of or related to Jesus Christ or the* religion deriving from Him…”

*‘The’ *religion. Not *‘a’ *religion.

Agree then why all this

God bless
 
Settle down pilgrim. I am simply asking you to use the features of this forum so that others can understand your responses.

Don’t call me pilgrim John Wayne
There is one way. It is Christ’s way. It is the way. And He founded a visible Church that still exists today.
Not at all. I do not know you. I was simply correcting you regarding the erroneous belief that infants should not be baptised. But the argument has been settled.

thats right in #232

Peace and God bless!
 
No it is not.

Dedication is something that the baptists invented and many of the non-denom sects copied.
No not at all the baptists did not invent it. See after Jesus was born he was circumcised than then he was PRESENTED to the Lord in the temple Luke 2:22-24
Don’t sound like the baptist invented it. You are so wrong.
 
That is the root cause of your problem. You want us to show you “where in the Bible it says that” infants must be baptized, yet you can’t show us where in the Bible it says that everything must be written in the Bible.

then why do ya’ll point to the "house hold’ all the time.If not in th ebible then were is it written. See not the root of my problem just show me were.

placido
 
Oh no! Why is Rev Kevin doing this to us … in the middle of the debate he suddenly forgets how to properly use the “quote” feature.

placido
 
No not at all the baptists did not invent it. See after Jesus was born he was circumcised than then he was PRESENTED to the Lord in the temple Luke 2:22-24
Don’t sound like the baptist invented it. You are so wrong.
You dedicate only the male … only the firstborn … only after the purification of the mother? But you always forget to bring turtledoves or pigeons …
I hope you will never again use Luke 2:22-24 as support of the Baptist practice.

placido
 
Back to the original post. The only thing I might disagree with is the title. Infant baptism is basically the same thing as baby dedication.
O Boy, yet another member of a “non denominational” denomination out to set us Catholics straight.

Infant dedication is very different from infant Baptism. Baby dedication is just promissing to bring your child up, so that eventually he may make the decision to "become Christian at a later date, it is what Baptists and “non denominationals” call an ordinance.

Baptism is a sacrament that actually does what it symbolizes. It actually forgives sin personal or the original sin. In case of children’s baptism who have no personal sin it forgives original sin.

The child grows up as a Christian already, and does not have to grow up a sinner, to become a Christian later in life.

There is a big difference between the two, their is a big difference difference between a sacrament and an “ordinance” as well.
 
then why do ya’ll point to the "house hold’ all the time.If not in th ebible then were is it written. See not the root of my problem just show me were.
Like I said, the root cause of your problem is not knowing or ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church and its doctrines existed before a single line of the New Testament was written. To put it bluntly: the 27 NT books were sellected because they agreed or did not contradict Catholic doctrine - not the other way round.

placido
 
No not at all the baptists did not invent it. See after Jesus was born he was circumcised than then he was PRESENTED to the Lord in the temple Luke 2:22-24
Don’t sound like the baptist invented it.
The Presentation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in the Temple is a great feast day in the Church.

It has nothing to do with the baptist’s dedicating a baby— in place of holy baptism. 😦
 
You dedicate only the male … only the firstborn … only after the purification of the mother? But you always forget to bring turtledoves or pigeons …
I hope you will never again use Luke 2:22-24 as support of the Baptist practice.
Yes. :yup:
 
Oh no! Why is Rev Kevin doing this to us … in the middle of the debate he suddenly forgets how to properly use the “quote” feature.

placido
Sorry but I have parkisons and somethig things dont work right
 
Sorry but I have parkisons and somethig things dont work right
Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, Thou became man and died on the cross for our salvation. Thou healed people of sickness and affliction through Thy love and compassion. Visit Kevin, Lord and grant him strength to bear this sickness with which he is afflicted, with patience, submission to Thy will and trust in Thy loving care. Grant that his sickness may be to his spiritual benefit and that he may live the rest of his life more faithfully according to Thy will. For Thou art the source of life and healing and to Thee we give praise and glory, now and ever and unto the ages of ages. Amen.
 
The Presentation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in the Temple is a great feast day in the Church.

It has nothing to do with the baptist’s dedicating a baby— in place of holy baptism.

Were did you come up with that.
Nothing anybody says is right, you stick to what you are told. You are unable to think or make you own conclussions because the church says so. If the church tells you yellow is green then yellow is green. The church don’t allow you to think on your own because if they did you might and I said might see that they could be wrong. They hide behind the word “truth” Who interpreted the Scripture for you church, who said this is what it means. Jesus didn’t because the scripture wasn’t written when he was here, it was the law of Moses, so it had to be a man with his own mind and his own interpretation of what he says it means and then says this is what it means because I said so. Follow what you believe I don’t care. If you want to baptize babies then do so I NEVER said anything different just to show me were it says to but you can’t you hide behind the “truth” and the “house hold.” Like I said I NEVER said not to baprize infants. If I did show me were I said it, show me were I said infants shouldn’t be baptized. Prove I said it or get off my back about it

😦
 
Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, Thou became man and died on the cross for our salvation. Thou healed people of sickness and affliction through Thy love and compassion. Visit Kevin, Lord and grant him strength to bear this sickness with which he is afflicted, with patience, submission to Thy will and trust in Thy loving care. Grant that his sickness may be to his spiritual benefit and that he may live the rest of his life more faithfully according to Thy will. For Thou art the source of life and healing and to Thee we give praise and glory, now and ever and unto the ages of ages. Amen.
Thank you Micky
After all the bickering back and forth, with this you have brought me to tears for your kind words and prayer
Thank you very much
 
Originally Posted by Mickey forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
The Presentation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in the Temple is a great feast day in the Church.

It has nothing to do with the baptist’s dedicating a baby— in place of holy baptism.
Were did you come up with that.
Nothing anybody says is right, you stick to what you are told. You are unable to think or make you own conclussions because the church says so. If the church tells you yellow is green then yellow is green. The church don’t allow you to think on your own because if they did you might and I said might see that they could be wrong. They hide behind the word “truth” Who interpreted the Scripture for you church, who said this is what it means. Jesus didn’t because the scripture wasn’t written when he was here, it was the law of Moses, so it had to be a man with his own mind and his own interpretation of what he says it means and then says this is what it means because I said so. Follow what you believe I don’t care. If you want to baptize babies then do so I NEVER said anything different just to show me were it says to but you can’t you hide behind the “truth” and the “house hold.” Like I said I NEVER said not to baprize infants. If I did show me were I said it, show me were I said infants shouldn’t be baptized. Prove I said it or get off my back about it
The Catholic Church, which is the True Church, founded by Jesus Christ Himself, teaches that infant baptism is necessary and efficacious for salvation. Christ’s True Church cannot teach error, therefore we obey. If protestants choose to be disobedient, that is their problem. We choose to follow Christ’s Church in this matter.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top