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jake23
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LOL! occolt members talking about maipulating scripture! Thats a good one!
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rev_kevin
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I’m tired and I don’t need this anymore. Its not doing me any good healty wise to stay on this site and get abused. We disagree so let it be. You can tell all your buddies here that they won in there eyes although it was never a fight. I simply answered the question asked and this is what happens. Hope your happy now, go and brag and put me down for giving up. Go ahead and make fun of it because it don’t matter anymore. Why go on with anything in life if this is what religion does to people, fight, bicker argue and so on, all because of different views or beliefs. It may not be worth it. Thanks now because of all this I am questioning my faith in the Lord. If this is how people who claim to be followers of God act then is this the God for me? I don’t know. If I feel this way how can I preach anymore because it would all be a lie, me telling somwone to believe when I am questioning it myself. Like I said I’m tired.
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ParkerD
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Jake,
You don’t know what you’re talking about, but be that as it may, every passage in the Bible that talks about baptism talks in the same passage about belief or faith, and implies strongly that the two are connected. It is simple to read the Bible and see this. It is not a hard concept to figure out.
You don’t know what you’re talking about, but be that as it may, every passage in the Bible that talks about baptism talks in the same passage about belief or faith, and implies strongly that the two are connected. It is simple to read the Bible and see this. It is not a hard concept to figure out.
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Mickey
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The passages you refer to were written during a time of great conversion to the Christian faith. Yes. Adults professed their faith and were baptised. It is implied that infants also were baptised–entire households. Parents had their infants baptized with the understanding that they would raise them as faithful Christians. The earliest Christians attest to this. Furthermore, the Christian Church in Her infancy was very sensitive about heresies and abrupt changes. If, as you say, there was never such a practice as infant baptism, and then suddenly, Christians began baptizing their babies-- do you not think that it would have been a huge issue? Would not something have been written about this new innovation of baptizing infants?
History is silent because it was always a practice of the apostolic Church.
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ParkerD
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Mickey,
If the people doing the writing of the history were the people who thought infants needed to be baptized, then they would not have written anything about a controversy. Of course the Pharisees who joined the church thought baptism should be at the same age as circumcision, because that was their tradition and tradition was extremely important to them. The apostles don’t “attest to this”. They were the earliest Christians.
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jake23
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Are you leaving because of the attitude or because you refuse to aknowledge the catholic ways of baptims?
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jake23
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The Bible also says there is only one God, not a man that became God or an elder that can one day become God! or that Jesus became a god! I will respect the theorys and ideas of a christian but obviousely you are Mormon. There was never anything that says a child cannot be baptized!
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Bill_Pick
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rev, Well all I can say is let the Lord lead you, rev maybe you can look at what some of the Church fathers have to say. Not telling you what to do but you bilble said said Jesus started ONE Church so do some reading and check all thing out. Remember we had only one Church for about 1500 years, and your denomination was one os the last.
rev My daughter just join a ND church just in the last few month and I do not agree with her She was a Baptism.
As you know I,m Cathloic but most on my family is not, Baptism and now ND…But I still hope they come home. == I got a divorse years ago and I was married to a Baptism girls, hope you can read this I do not have my glasses on.
rev You are a good guy do not forget your love of Christ keep the faith.
I love you in Christ our Lord.,hang in there,bless you and your and have a great night,PEACE BTW remember the Bible will tell you it is the Pillar of truth 1 TIM 3’15
rev My daughter just join a ND church just in the last few month and I do not agree with her She was a Baptism.
As you know I,m Cathloic but most on my family is not, Baptism and now ND…But I still hope they come home. == I got a divorse years ago and I was married to a Baptism girls, hope you can read this I do not have my glasses on.
rev You are a good guy do not forget your love of Christ keep the faith.
I love you in Christ our Lord.,hang in there,bless you and your and have a great night,PEACE BTW remember the Bible will tell you it is the Pillar of truth 1 TIM 3’15
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EdOsiecki
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Why is it necassary to baptize infants? What happens to them should they die unbaptized?
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Bill_Pick
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remember they have sin and Our Lord said nothing unclearn will get into heaven
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EdOsiecki
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But doesn’t Jesus say in Mat19:14 that the Kingdom of God belongs to the little childrten? So why be concerned about baptizing them?
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John 3:5 doesn’t say anyhing about being baptized. Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus that man is born of water (flesh) and spirit. The spirit must be changed Ed O.Oh my Mick, Does that mean a Christening isn’t a Christening anymore? So when we get our child Baptised they are not a Christian. That must be a new rule or something. Someone better tell Father
Just wondering when the Priest say I baptise you in the Name of the Father, and the SOn, and the Holy Spirit what does that make them if not a Christian.
I better go back to school, how about you Mickey, because John 3:5 said thats how its done. Now I think I will stick with John, How about you Mick?
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rev_kevin
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Nothing to do with refusing to aknowledge that catholic way of baptism. I was catholic, baprized catholic, first communion, the whole 10 yards to the point of sprending a year in a siminary to be a priest. I decided to choose another path in serving God but on this path I find that people who don’t belong to a certain religion have a better outlook on life. They don’t have to listen to this religion belittling another religion and all the back and forth that goes with it. My religion is the true religion. Your beliefs are wrong ours are the only right ones. Sounds like a bunch of school kids bickering about who’s dad can beat who’s dad up. And then you get You must believe my way because its the truth. Its been around for 2000 years so it has to be right. Who’s truth yours or Gods? Who’s to say one religion is better than another. My god don’t we worship the one and only God. So what if we worship him in a different way and believe thing differently. There is no tollarence for other views. Don’t dare question it you have no right to. Well did Jesus tell Thomas that. He doubted the Lord and still was treated with respect. When Jesus was resurrected didn’t he doubt that it was Jesus who was right infront of him. He wanted to feel his wounds. He doubetd the Lord himself. The Bible is full of people doubting or not having trust in the Lord. Why wasn’t Moses allowed in the promised land. But did God treat him badly, no. Even a rightious man like him Moses questioned God. The disciples didn’t have enough faith to drive a demon out of a boy but did Jesus treat them badly, no. But in today’s religion if you don’t agree with them you must be the anti-christ, or a confused person. People point out scripture and can repeat it but how many actually live it. How many hypocrites are there who claim to be good and follow the example set fourth by Jesus. Not a lot. So I’m searching my soul to make sure before I make my final decession.
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hosemonkey
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Using your line of reasoning, why be concerned about baptizing anyone? We are concerned about baptism because baptism removes Original Sin and admits one to the family of Christians. This is applicable to adults as well as to children. As loving parents, we do a great many things for our children that the children have no discretion over. We vaccinate them, treat their injuries, dress them in warm clothes, remove their tonsils if neccessary etc, etc. If left to themselves, they certainly would not do these things, because they do not realize that they are good for them. We baptize our babies because we understand that it is very important to do this. As far as babies who die unbaptized, we commit them to the mercy of God as we do adults who are not baptised. Ours is a God of great mercy and forgiveness and we leave them in His hands.
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Bill_Pick
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Baptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins we personally committed before baptism—sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because they come from our own acts. Thus on the day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowds, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38), and when Paul was baptized he was told, “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name” (Acts 22:16). And so Peter later wrote, “Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Pet. 3:21).
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EdOsiecki
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Thanks for your reply, The reason we baptize adults is because Jesus commands it in Mark !6:16. Baptism with adults is a sign that they willing repent Mat 3:11, and turn to God. And in Rom 6:6 Adults die to their old self ( refer.to Christ being buried) and when emerged from the water adults reference it to Christ’s ressurection. Infants cannot do any of this. Doesn’t Jesus make it very clear that the kingdom of God belongs to the little children. You say, “We baptize our babies because we understand that it is very important to do this”. Says Who? Where in The Bible? The reason for my questions, Some think that water baptism saves. Does it? The thief on the cross wasn’t baptized, yet he went to be with Jesus. ED O.
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