baptism on sunday mass - skipped parts?

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Hi,

I was at a Sunday mass with a baptism, and they skipped the opening prayer, penitential rite, and the gloria.

I assume that this is not appropriate. If there is a baptism on sunday is there any alloance for “skipping” aspects of the mass? I assume that they just did this to make it faster?

Any thoughts?
 
biblicalAdam said:
Hi,

I was at a Sunday mass with a baptism, and they skipped the opening prayer, penitential rite, and the gloria.

I assume that this is not appropriate. If there is a baptism on sunday is there any alloance for “skipping” aspects of the mass? I assume that they just did this to make it faster?

Any thoughts?
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When a baptism is celebrated during Mass the Rite of Reception (greeting parents and receiving and marking the child with the Sign of the Cross) replace the Opening Rites of the Mass.
 
So, I looked into this a little more. And, the following was skipped at the mass I went to:

greeting, act of penitence, Kyrie, Gloria, and Opening Prayer.

According to the rite (liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/Rites/Baptism-Children.pdf), the recieving of the children only replaces the greetings and the act of penitence.

So, the other parts (Kyrie, Gloria and Opening Prayer) should not have been skipped, correct?

Thanks,

-Adam
 
The Kyrie is part of the penetential prayer. So, I think we are left with a possibly skipped Gloria.
 
Barring any other issues, those items should have been included. I looked through the GIRM and I didn’t spot anything that gives a direction one way or the other (though I could have missed it).
 
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Barring any other issues, those items should have been included. I looked through the GIRM and I didn’t spot anything that gives a direction one way or the other (though I could have missed it).
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Actually, Rituals such as baptism and marriage, have their own norms, not included in the GIRM, they are found in the respective ritual books. Those norms dictate how the Mass will flow when these are celebrated. With baptisms, everything except the Opening Prayer is replaced by the Rite of Reception.
 
Phemie,

Can you post where you are finding this? The doc I posted said only the greeting and penitential rite is skipped… where did you find different?

-Adam
 
biblicalAdam said:
Phemie,

Can you post where you are finding this? The doc I posted said only the greeting and penitential rite is skipped… where did you find different?

-Adam
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As Phemie posted you find it in the specific ritual books. We did the Rite of Acceptance a few weeks ago. According to the rite, the welcome and signing is done in the back of the church, then we process in and that leads directly into the readings. There is no penitential rite or gloria and the Opening Prayer is replaced by the prayer that concludes the rite that was performed in the back of the church. The same would be if the welcome and signing in the baptismal rite was performed at a Sunday Mass, the Gloria is omitted. It doesn’t specifically say it but we are following the rite as written and the rite does not include it. When celebrating rites of initiation at Mass some things are omitted.
 
biblicalAdam said:
Hi,

I was at a Sunday mass with a baptism, and they skipped the opening prayer, penitential rite, and the gloria.

I assume that this is not appropriate. If there is a baptism on sunday is there any alloance for “skipping” aspects of the mass? I assume that they just did this to make it faster?

Any thoughts?
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no they did not skip anything, the baptismal rite during Mass supercedes these, as well as of course the profession of faith. congratulations, your parish does the rites right.
 
Hi,

Ok, thanks for everyone’s help here. But, I still am confused.

The document I found, which is here: liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/Rites/Baptism-Children.pdf Seem to contradict some of the answers. It expressly says that : “The rite of receiving the children (nos. 33-43) takes place at the beginning of Mass and the greeting and penitential rite of the Mass are omitted.” (29.1).

So, it only seems to replace 2 parts of the mass: the greeting and the penitential rite. The document does not say that the gloria and the opening prayer (collect) are replaced.

If I am wrong about this, please just send a a link to a document? Also, please let me know how I am misinterpreting the above document.

Thanks,

-Adam
 
The the praenotanda for the Rite of Baptism for Infants contains instructions. The rite of receiving children does take the place of the greeting and the Penitential Rite which would mean that the Gloria and Collect should still be done. (the presence of the Baptismal promises also cause an omission of the Creed).

There is a little confusion in the text of the rite itself which says the Mass should pick up with the Lord have Mercy (Kyrie), but this would seem to be part of the Penitential Rite that is omitted**
 
Below is straight from my Roman Missal.

The Sacraments of Christian Initiation are usually conferred on adults durring the Vigil of the Holy Night of Easter. If, however, they are celebrated apart from the Paschal Solemnity because of necessity, this Mass may be used with the color white or a festive color on days when Ritual Masses are permitted.

This Mass may also be said for the conferral of the Baptism of infants, under the same conditions.

In this Mass, the Penitential Act, the Kyrie and the Creed are omitted. The Gloria in excelsis (Glory to God in the highest), however, is said.

This is not a pew missal but an actual Roman Missal used on the altar, page 1126, in the section on ritual Masses. Picture attached.

-Tim-
 
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