Baptism protocol

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Hello all! What are your parish’s protocols for baptism like? My wife and I have a child on the way, so I went to my parish to ask about baptism. To my dismay, they won’t let us take the every-other-month baptism prep class until after the baby has been born (I’m sure we won’t be busy with a newborn 😛 ), and won’t let us even schedule the baptism until we’ve taken the class and given them a copy of the official birth certificate (which typically takes a few weeks to obtain).

Since we probably won’t be able to take the class until at least a month after the kid is born due to the class schedule, and since we have to wait at least that long to schedule the baptism, I could easily see the baptism date being upwards of two months after the birth of our child.

I respectfully asked why we couldn’t take the class pre-birth, since it seems like a rather long time to wait before even scheduling the baptism, and received the polite but unhelpful response of, “Oh, that’s just the protocol. Lot’s of people here do it that way” (which I took to mean, “That’s just how it is here.”).

Is this a standard experience? I certainly wasn’t expecting to have the baptism the day we left the hospital or anything, but not being able to even schedule it until we have the birth certificate and have taken a class that we can’t take pre-birth seems kind of like a lot of hoops to jump through. Maybe I’m not being fair to the parish, I’m sure there’s a perfectly good reason to delay so much, but I don’t know what it is since the person at the office only said it was “protocol.” Not mad about it, just curious if a couple months plus is a normal wait time.

I was also told at the parish office that if our child’s godparent needs a proxy at the baptism, that the proxy must fulfill all the same requirements for a godparent (16+ years old, Confirmed, not living with someone outside of a valid marriage, goes to Mass at their church on Sundays).

I obviously am on board with these rules in regard to a godparent (I don’t want my kid to have a non-practicing godparent; I’m very gung-ho about our kid having good Catholic influences in their life), but I assumed that a proxy was just there to speak on the godparent’s behalf. We only know one or two people who fulfill the requirements for godparent, but there is a good chance they won’t make it to the baptism; if we knew more people who fulfilled the requirements, we would just go ahead and ask them to be godparent rather than just a proxy.

Since we are short-term out of towners (I’m a graduate student) with absolutely no family or friends in the area, no practicing Catholic family anywhere (other than one very elderly grandparent who won’t really get a chance to help educate our kid in the faith), and only a couple practicing Catholic friends who may not be able to make it, our godparent pickings are slim.

If push comes to shove we would happily ask around the parish, but as non-locals who are only here temporarily, we know that it is unlikely we or our child will be able to maintain any kind of relationship with them (spiritual or otherwise) after the next year or so.

Is it normative that a godparent-proxy must fulfill all the same requirements as an actual godparent? I know many Catholics who we would be honored to have as our kid’s ‘proxy-godparent’ at the ceremony (for example: love God, believe in the Church, but not Confirmed), but it seems that this is not an option.

We would ask our own parents, but they would be very little help in this regard; my wife is not a Catholic, and through unusual circumstances I was not baptized until I was seven years old. We appreciate the advice and prayers! 👍
 
In our parish?
Yes to all of the above.

Congratulations on the new baby.
 
Hello all! What are your parish’s protocols for baptism like? My wife and I have a child on the way, so I went to my parish to ask about baptism. To my dismay, they won’t let us take the every-other-month baptism prep class until after the baby has been born (I’m sure we won’t be busy with a newborn 😛 ), and won’t let us even schedule the baptism until we’ve taken the class and given them a copy of the official birth certificate (which typically takes a few weeks to obtain).

Since we probably won’t be able to take the class until at least a month after the kid is born due to the class schedule, and since we have to wait at least that long to schedule the baptism, I could easily see the baptism date being upwards of two months after the birth of our child.

I respectfully asked why we couldn’t take the class pre-birth, since it seems like a rather long time to wait before even scheduling the baptism, and received the polite but unhelpful response of, “Oh, that’s just the protocol. Lot’s of people here do it that way” (which I took to mean, “That’s just how it is here.”).

Is this a standard experience? I certainly wasn’t expecting to have the baptism the day we left the hospital or anything, but not being able to even schedule it until we have the birth certificate and have taken a class that we can’t take pre-birth seems kind of like a lot of hoops to jump through. Maybe I’m not being fair to the parish, I’m sure there’s a perfectly good reason to delay so much, but I don’t know what it is since the person at the office only said it was “protocol.” Not mad about it, just curious if a couple months plus is a normal wait time.

I was also told at the parish office that if our child’s godparent needs a proxy at the baptism, that the proxy must fulfill all the same requirements for a godparent (16+ years old, Confirmed, not living with someone outside of a valid marriage, goes to Mass at their church on Sundays).

I obviously am on board with these rules in regard to a godparent (I don’t want my kid to have a non-practicing godparent; I’m very gung-ho about our kid having good Catholic influences in their life), but I assumed that a proxy was just there to speak on the godparent’s behalf. We only know one or two people who fulfill the requirements for godparent, but there is a good chance they won’t make it to the baptism; if we knew more people who fulfilled the requirements, we would just go ahead and ask them to be godparent rather than just a proxy.

Since we are short-term out of towners (I’m a graduate student) with absolutely no family or friends in the area, no practicing Catholic family anywhere (other than one very elderly grandparent who won’t really get a chance to help educate our kid in the faith), and only a couple practicing Catholic friends who may not be able to make it, our godparent pickings are slim.

If push comes to shove we would happily ask around the parish, but as non-locals who are only here temporarily, we know that it is unlikely we or our child will be able to maintain any kind of relationship with them (spiritual or otherwise) after the next year or so.

Is it normative that a godparent-proxy must fulfill all the same requirements as an actual godparent? I know many Catholics who we would be honored to have as our kid’s ‘proxy-godparent’ at the ceremony (for example: love God, believe in the Church, but not Confirmed), but it seems that this is not an option.

We would ask our own parents, but they would be very little help in this regard; my wife is not a Catholic, and through unusual circumstances I was not baptized until I was seven years old. We appreciate the advice and prayers! 👍
I went back to my “home town” parish for the baptism of four of our five kids so family could attend. I didn’t have any problems…I even got a pass on the class. I was an active Catholic at my local parish and active in my “home town” parish so I think that helped. I even took one of the kids “home” for first communion. No problem. You might want to check with that, if you want to go back to family…

In our parish you can take the class while you are pregnant, and schedule it whenever. We don’t get to many baptisms so they are happy to make accommodations.

Congratulations!
 
My understanding is that Baptismal “proxies” aren’t even mentioned in Canon Law, so whether a proxie must fulfill the same requirements as the Godparents of record is seemingly a local matter to that parish, diocese, or other jurisdiction. I’ve done Baptismal prep at 3 different parishes and welcome the chance to do it before the baby is born - newborns can be big distractions. And I’ve never heard of the birth certificate requirement.
 
Totally ridiculous nonsense.

Go talk the the pastor, NOT to anyone in the office staff pool. Tell your pastor of your concerns and what you want to do. If he is unreasonable (and yes the responses you mention receiving are unreasonable) then I would look elsewhere.
 
This has NOTHING to do with what you asked, but it is about baptism.

After our daughter was born we had only one class - and that was to inform us that we should all have decorated candles for the baptism. Lacking any creative genes, I was horrified, but it actually turned out well.

They showed us several decorated candles to give us ideas. I ended up with a pillar candle with feathers (for Kateri), roses (for Rose - duh ;)), and her initials cut out of gold paper. I found some pretty lace to wrap around the base. Two years later I did something similar for her brother, even tho we were in a different parish that didn’t require decorated candles.

For quite a few years I would get out the baptismal candles to burn on their birthdays. It made a nice family tradition. 🙂
 
Contrary to what people will tell you, the STAFF gets their info from the PASTOR. If the staff told you how it is, then that’s how it likely is.
People who give out the wrong info are generally fired rather quickly.
As we all know, pastors do things differently, Sometimes, people think those things are “ridiculous” but that’s the way it is.
Hence, the reason why people shop around for a parish. :rolleyes:
 
This has NOTHING to do with what you asked, but it is about baptism.
This too.

But it is also important to be prepared spiritually.
My pastor recommended 2 cases of beer, a case of wine, and 1/2-case good Irish whiskey.
:rotfl:

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Canonically, a baby is to be Baptized within a few weeks. This seems impossible under the parish regulations.
Can.* 867 §1. Parents are obliged to take care that infants are baptized in the first few weeks; as soon as possible after the birth or even before it, they are to go to the pastor to request the sacrament for their child and to be prepared properly for it.
If the discussion with the pastor cannot resolve the situation, I would recommend discussing it with the Chancellory office,
 
I do baptismal preparation in my parish and we strongly encourage parents to do it before the baby is born and before they’ve picked godparents. That way they aren’t distracted by the presence of multiple babies at the sessions and they already know what to look for in godparents.

Most families we see are comprised of a Catholic and a non-Catholic/non-baptized so it’s important to let them know well in advance of who may be a godparent and the difference between a godparent and a Christian witness and whom they may chose as a Christian witness. I hate when they wait until after they’ve picked “godparents” to come to us and we have to tell them that, “Sorry, you need to pick one Catholic that meets x,y, and z requirements, and neither of the friends you’ve already picked qualifies as a Christian witness.”

I’ve heard that some parishes require that a birth certificate be presented before the Baptism. I think that’s to avoid any discrepancy between the civil & religious record. We’ve never done that. Likely because until around 2003 in my province the priest/minister who celebrated the baptism was required to send to fill in a “Return of Birth” form and forward it to Vital Statistics so the child could be fully registered with the province. Until the RoB was received the record only showed that there had been a “live birth of a boy/girl” to “mother”. The church’s records were considered the official record and I received many a call from V.S. verifying the spelling of a name or date of birth. Once the federal government stopped allowing certificates of baptism as primary documents, V.S. moved away from having parishes send in RoB and now expect the parents to fill out these documents and send them in if it wasn’t done in the hospital before the mom and baby were discharged.
 
You should be allowed to take the class before the baby is baptized. Getting your baby baptized within a reasonable amount of time seems very difficult if you can’t take the class beforehand. You could potentially have to wait a month or more depending if your baby is born at a bad time with regards to the schedule of baptism classes. I would talk to the priest about this, and if you don’t get a satisfactory answer, consider bringing the matter to the attention of higher authorities in the diocese.

I actually just attended a baptism class for my future son last week. There were three couples there, including myself and my wife, and we were the only couple there who was still expecting and had not yet had their baby (we’re due in April, so we were well ahead of things compared to everyone else). This is a small sample size, but it does make me wonder how many couples make the effort to take care of things beforehand and get their children baptized as soon as reasonably possible as should be done. This may be how things are done by most couples today, but it seems like your parish has possibly made this “new” practice formal, even though it shouldn’t be.
 
I actually just attended a baptism class for my future son last week. There were three couples there, including myself and my wife, and we were the only couple there who was still expecting and had not yet had their baby (we’re due in April, so we were well ahead of things compared to everyone else). This is a small sample size, but it does make me wonder how many couples make the effort to take care of things beforehand and get their children baptized as soon as reasonably possible as should be done. This may be how things are done by most couples today, but it seems like your parish has possibly made this “new” practice formal, even though it shouldn’t be.
What I find is that for most couples who attend Church regularly Baptism is on their radar early and they act accordingly.

Those who don’t attend regularly often are having their babies baptized due to pressure from the grandparents and it’s not such an important thing to them so a delay in preparing and receiving the sacrament is not seen as problematic. For many Baptism is an afterthought.

Of course you also have the non-churchgoers who plan everything in their life and they tend to come to us early. I’ve only met a few of those, though.
 
No.

Classes taken before the birth of the Child.

Baptism is to be given in the first few weeks after the Child is born. So best to do the class before the birth so baptism can happen soon.

Now maybe some parishes have rather unusual circumstance - so I cannot speak to such.
 
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