Baptism Question

[countertenor]

My daughter was baptized according to the byzantine rite, including chrismation and communion, and then we did our formal transfer, in which she and her brother were automatically included because of their ages.

 

[Stephentlig]

My daughter was baptized according to the byzantine rite, including chrismation and communion, and then we did our formal transfer, in which she and her brother were automatically included because of their ages.

so basically when you transfer your children automatically transfer too? even lets say if they were baptised in the roman rite they would still enter the byzantine rite as if they were baptised and confirmed?

your post has been helpful. Thank you.

 

[ciero]

so basically when you transfer your children automatically transfer too? even lets say if they were baptised in the roman rite they would still enter the byzantine rite as if they were baptised and confirmed?

your post has been helpful. Thank you.

Baptism and Chrismation have NO bearing on what Rite you belong to. You follow the Rite of your father in most cases. So if you were to change Ritual Churches to the Byzantine Church and your children were under the age of 14, they would automatically change right along with you.

 

[Stephentlig]

Baptism and Chrismation have NO bearing on what Rite you belong to. You follow the Rite of your father in most cases. So if you were to change Ritual Churches to the Byzantine Church and your children were under the age of 14, they would automatically change right along with you.

Thanks Ciero. How long does a transfer usually take?

 

[Vico]

Strange because Father Serge said that he will receive the Greek rite baptism. I must ask him about that. He did say that after the baptism we can discuss the move and so on. Thanks Vico for your replies and help. I know nothing about it all.

Pax
Stephen

Sacraments which must ordinarily be received in one’s ritual Church are Baptism, Confirmation/Chrismation, Matrimony (ritual Church of at least one of the parties) and Holy Orders.

What priests actually do is not always in accord with the canons, so a sacrament may be valid, but illicit. The canons (CCEO and CIC) state that one should be baptized according to the rite of the ritual Church that one is to be ascribed to, and also that the infant is ascribed the ritual Church of the Catholic parent of either ritual Church of two Catholic parents in different ones. If there is no Latin Church in the area, or the Latin Church gives approval, then the baptism may be done by the Ukrainian priest, but Chrismation and Eucharist are not to be given to the infant of Latin Church parents having their baby baptized, because it is different than the Latin Church practice.

Cases where baptism may legitimately occur with a priest (or deacon, etc.) of another Catholic ritual Church:

1 The child is in danger of death
2 The priest of the ritual Church is too far away to bring the child to him
3 The priest of the ritual Church cannot come to baptize the child
4 The priest has been granted faculties by the other ritual Church to baptize.

CCEO Canon 683
Baptism must be be celebrated according the liturgical prescriptions of the Church sui iuris in which according to the norm of law the person to be baptized is to be enrolled.

CCEO Canon 29

1. By virtue of baptism, a child who has not yet completed his fourteenth year of age is enrolled in the Church sui iuris of the
   Catholic father; or the Church sui iuris of the mother if only the mother is Catholic or if both parents by agreement freely request it, with due regard for particular law established by the Apostolic See.

If you transfer ritual Church after having your baby baptized in the Latin Church, then the baby* would* transfer also, and the wife could elect to change also or to stay Latin. Once you change then your child could legitimately receive infant Chrismation and Eucharist prior to the age of discretion.

 

[Aramis]

so basically when you transfer your children automatically transfer too? even lets say if they were baptised in the roman rite they would still enter the byzantine rite as if they were baptised and confirmed?

your post has been helpful. Thank you.

Only your children under 12 at time of transfer, tho’ older children usually have the option of transfer with parents.

Chrismation will usually be performed upon the transfer. The Ukrainian and Ruthenian Churches both have clear provisions for chrismation of baptized individuals… one of the beneficial holdovers of latinization.

 

[Vico]

Only your children under 12 at time of transfer, tho’ older children usually have the option of transfer with parents.

Chrismation will usually be performed upon the transfer. The Ukrainian and Ruthenian Churches both have clear provisions for chrismation of baptized individuals… one of the beneficial holdovers of latinization.

Under age 14 is now the norm, but could be blocked by one or both parents.

CCEO Canon 34
If the parents, or the Catholic spouse in the case of a mixed marriage, transfer to another Church sui iuris, children under fourteen years old by the law itself are enrolled in the same Church; if in a marriage of Catholics only one parent transfers to another Church sui iuris, the children transfer only if both parents consent. Upon completion of the fourteenth year of age, the children can return to the original Church sui iuris.

 

[hello121]

The problem with the teaching of the necessity of baptism for salvation is that is first is not biblical being based on mis-interpretations of God’s word

 

[jmcrae]

The problem with the teaching of the necessity of baptism for salvation is that is first is not biblical being based on mis-interpretations of God’s word

The Apostles baptized everyone who wanted to become saved - what, exactly, were they “misinterpreting” - since they had not yet written the Bible?