Baptist & Catholic - I need help!

[HelloImJohn]

Well, I am a catholic, baptized catholic, done communion etc. I can say that I am trying to become devout because I love my faith as much as the next person.

But recently one of my best friends who is a Baptist, got into a debate with me about the Catholic church and the Baptist Church.

And He got pretty snappy about it, he told me that the Catholic church is only partly correct, and that we ignore the bible, and only follow man made traditions and care only about Mary *(after he told me that she was not a virgin after having Jesus, WHICH IS NOT TRUE!!) *. I immediately defended my faith, and I was not happy with the discussion.

So I was wondering, is the baptist church necessarily right? Because he says he is a committed christian and he seems like it, do you think his church is right?

I love the catholic church but it’s seems like he seems to be saying that we are not 100% authentic which makes me nervous. Can someone help me?

What is the difference between Baptist and Catholic?

 

[SedesDomi]

Well, I am a catholic, baptized catholic, done communion etc. I can say that I am trying to become devout because I love my faith as much as the next person.

But recently one of my best friends who is a Baptist, got into a debate with me about the Catholic church and the Baptist Church.

And He got pretty snappy about it, he told me that the Catholic church is only partly correct, and that we ignore the bible, and only follow man made traditions and care only about Mary *(after he told me that she was not a virgin after having Jesus, WHICH IS NOT TRUE!!) *. I immediately defended my faith, and I was not happy with the discussion.

Ask him to give you his single most powerful argument against the Catholic Church, and then go deep into that issue. You’ll have to do some research. (Trying to argue multiple arguments with a Baptist isn’t helpful for you.)

So I was wondering, is the baptist church necessarily right? Because he says he is a committed christian and he seems like it, do you think his church is right?

I love the catholic church but it’s seems like he seems to be saying that we are not 100% authentic which makes me nervous. Can someone help me?

What is the difference between Baptist and Catholic?

 

[passus]

I love the catholic church but it’s seems like he seems to be saying that we are not 100% authentic which makes me nervous. Can someone help me?

Well, read the Bible and see for yourself.

Then, ask which church Jesus established (cf. Matthew 16:28). Which church holds the the fullness of Truth in her teaching (cf. John 16:12–13, 1 Tim. 3:15) and holds claim to descent from the apostles and in turn, Jesus, Himself (Luke 10:16)? Then, ask your friend those questions.

Note that the Baptists only really came about in the 1600s while we Catholics have a full 2,000 years of Christian tradition backing us up. What was going on between 30 AD and 1639?

I would suggest that you head over to catholic.com and read up on the apologetic materials over there before continuing your discussion with this fellow. You might also print out a copy of Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth to pass along to him. It’s an enriching piece of material.

God bless.

 

[jazzy_987]

Just because Baptists aren’t completely right doesn’t mean they can’t be committed Christians.
There are many differences between Catholics and Baptists. Beliefs vary between Baptists, this is just from what I know by talking to one of my Baptist friends.

• Baptists believe in using the Bible only (sola scriptura, some believe in prima scriptura) and in Bible freedom, that each individual can choose to interpret the Bible for themselves
• they believe only adult believers should be baptized because infant baptism is unbiblical; emphasize baptism quite a bit. Baptism is for those who are saved.
• no higher authority or hierarchy, each congregation decides on doctrine and administration
• Faith alone

There’s a lot of good articles on this site (catholic.com) you can read about Catholicism… it might help you when discussing with your friend

 

[rinnie]

Also ask him if his or her Church has the 7 Sacraments. Of course he is going to say no. Ask him why not? Then go deep into the bible and you will find out that your Church does. Thats how you know you are in the right Church.

 

[ppasa316]

Well, read the Bible and see for yourself.

Then, ask which church Jesus established (cf. Matthew 16:28). Which church holds the the fullness of Truth in her teaching (cf. John 16:12–13, 1 Tim. 3:15) and holds claim to descent from the apostles and in turn, Jesus, Himself (Luke 10:16)? Then, ask your friend those questions.

Note that the Baptists only really came about in the 1600s while we Catholics have a full 2,000 years of Christian tradition backing us up. What was going on between 30 AD and 1639?

I would suggest that you head over to catholic.com and read up on the apologetic materials over there before continuing your discussion with this fellow. You might also print out a copy of Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth to pass along to him. It’s an enriching piece of material.

God bless.

I read these verses and do not see anything about the Catholic church. Can you better explain this to me thanks

 

[jazzy_987]

I read these verses and do not see anything about the Catholic church. Can you better explain this to me thanks

There were no denominations back then, so what other church could it have been?

Not sure about Matt. 16:28, but Matt 16:18 says
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

And Peter happened to be the first pope.

The other verses say that the Church teaches the truth.

 

[ppasa316]

There were no denominations back then, so what other church could it have been?

Not sure about Matt. 16:28, but Matt 16:18 says
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

And Peter happened to be the first pope.

The other verses say that the Church teaches the truth.

Where does Gods word say that peter was pope. thanks

 

[Bo2418]

Well, I am a catholic, baptized catholic, done communion etc. I can say that I am trying to become devout because I love my faith as much as the next person.

But recently one of my best friends who is a Baptist, got into a debate with me about the Catholic church and the Baptist Church.

And He got pretty snappy about it, he told me that the Catholic church is only partly correct, and that we ignore the bible, and only follow man made traditions and care only about Mary *(after he told me that she was not a virgin after having Jesus, WHICH IS NOT TRUE!!) *. I immediately defended my faith, and I was not happy with the discussion.

So I was wondering, is the baptist church necessarily right? Because he says he is a committed christian and he seems like it, do you think his church is right?

I love the catholic church but it’s seems like he seems to be saying that we are not 100% authentic which makes me nervous. Can someone help me?

What is the difference between Baptist and Catholic?

I would tell your friend that you can settle this argument and show him yourself.
Do the research and see how far back you can trace the Baptist Church, from what i can tell with Wikipedia it started back in the 16th Century. And then i would show him how far you can trace the Catholic Church, cause you can trace it all the way back to Jesus.
I would never let anyone make me question my Faith.

 

[derekohachey]

ppasa316,

Matthew 16:19
And I will give to thee (Peter) the **keys **of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

The answer is in the next verse and we must understand the Jewish meaning of “keys”, which we see in Isaiah 22. Essentially to hand over the keys is indicative of handing over authority in the Jewish tradition.

You can learn more about the keys here:
newadvent.org/cathen/08631b.htm

Hope this helps…
Derek

 

[derekohachey]

HelloImJohn,

I strongly recommend you review this website:

biblechristiansociety.com/

There are very good MP3s for download on this site.

Cheers,
Derek

 

[derekohachey]

ppasa316,

I also recommend John 21:15-19

Derek

 

[ricko]

Where does Gods word say that peter was pope. thanks

First let’s discuss words not in the bible. The title Pope is not in the bible. The word Trinity is not in the bible and the word Bible is not in the bible. The title of Pope was applied to that position later. It’s not important what it was called, what is important is that the POSITION exists. If you still have a problem with the title Pope, ok, then just drop it, don’t use any title at all. Ok?

Jesus says to Peter “Blest are you, Simon son of Jonah! No mere man has revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. I for my part declare to you, you are Rock, and on this rock I will build my church and the jaws of death shall not prevail against it.” Mat 16:17

If you continue reading, Jesus then gave to Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven and spelled out his (Peter’s) authority. That is how Peter came to be head of the Church that Jesus established on Earth.

 

[jazzy_987]

Where does Gods word say that peter was pope. thanks

The Bible says that Peter was a leader in the Church, as well as Matt. 16:18-19… The word pope is not in the Bible, but the pope is the leader of the church, and the Bible tells us that Peter was given authority by Jesus and that he was this leader.
Also: catholic.com/library/Was_Peter_in_Rome.asp

 

[DCD]

Well, I am a catholic, baptized catholic, done communion etc. I can say that I am trying to become devout because I love my faith as much as the next person.

But recently one of my best friends who is a Baptist, got into a debate with me about the Catholic church and the Baptist Church.

And He got pretty snappy about it, he told me that the Catholic church is only partly correct, and that we ignore the bible, and only follow man made traditions and care only about Mary *(after he told me that she was not a virgin after having Jesus, WHICH IS NOT TRUE!!) *. I immediately defended my faith, and I was not happy with the discussion.

So I was wondering, is the baptist church necessarily right? Because he says he is a committed christian and he seems like it, do you think his church is right?

I love the catholic church but it’s seems like he seems to be saying that we are not 100% authentic which makes me nervous. Can someone help me?

What is the difference between Baptist and Catholic?

No he is not right. Tell him to prove The Church ignores the bible. What and where is his evidence? Tell him to produce the facts right now. You will be waiting. Tell him to prove… with evidence that we only care about The Blessed Mother. Do not accept any opinions or feelings from him only evidence. Now that he has revealed his true colors about Christ’s Church they are irrelevant. From now on in any discussion make sure, and this is vital, refer to Jesus’s mom as The Mother of God or The Blessed Virgin Mary. IF he is a committed christian he will do the same. In fact, ask him if he is a commited christian why does he ignore the scriptures? Luke1:48 “For behold, from henceforth all generations shall called me blessed.”

Remember this there is NO question that he can ask that has not already been asked. NONE.

Peace,
David

 

[DCD]

Where does Gods word say that peter was pope. thanks

It does not. ?

Peace,
David

 

[hays1122]

You asked “What’s the difference between a Baptist and a
Catholic?”
I grew up Baptist,I can tell you what baptists believe.
Then you can decide how they differ from Catholics.
Baptists believe that we can read the bible for ourselves and
pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s truth and message for us
through His word.
We go to Church in following God’s instructions as in
"Heb.10:25 “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,
as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much
the more, as ye see the day approaching.”
We believe the bible is God’s word and message to us.
The preacher is chosen by God to lead his church.
He is not infallible or without sin.
The preacher prays and studies God’s word in order to
prepare a sermon with the help of the holy spirit.
We believe that a person should be baptized when he
or she makes a decision to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as
his or her personal Savior. The youngest I’ve seen baptized is 5
yrs. old. Which I believe is too young to really make such a
decision with a clear understanding.
We partake of the Lord’s supper three times a year at least.
But not every Sunday. The preacher says that the Lord’s supper
should be taken as a special celebration,not just out of habit.
When we partake of the Lord’s supper the preacher reads from the
Gospel the words and instructions given to us by Jesus as he was
gathered together with the apostles.
We believe that we should direct our prayers to Jesus Christ.
All praise,honor and glory belong to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus and God are one and all glory and honor belong to Him.
We believe in the trinity of course.The Father,Son and Holy
Spirit are one.
When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior his spirit
lives within us. He never leaves us.
Baptists believe the word of God when it says,“Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.”
I don’t know why but we aren’t taught much about Mary.
There are verses in the bible that refer to Jesus and his brothers. So we believe he had brothers as in siblings.
We do not pray asking Mary to “pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.”
We do not pray or ask the saints to pray for us.
We ask friends and relatives to pray for us,but not those who have gone on the the next life.
We really aren’t taught about the fact that the baptist church has only been around since the 1600s.
We really aren’t taught church history. Only how to be saved and how to study God’s word. We are instructed on how to witness to others and how to lead them to salvation.
It’s more important to make sure we are saved and that our loved ones are saved then it is to know church history it seems.
We are encouraged to believe in the word of God and the history that’s in the bible is what really matters.
It’s not where we’ve been but where we are going.
There’s more I’m sure but I think this is enough for now.
Invite your friend to visit this website. Most of his questions are referred to and answered one way or another.

 

[lostandconfused]

I admire their zest for Bible study and understanding, thats really great to see a people so literate in the Bible. But I do find that they are a little flawed, sometimes Baptists will boast their excellent Bible literacy, but honestly they spend hours and hours and hours listening to their pastor and what he has to think. I get a lot of uppity-ness from them that Catholics dont think for themselves and dont know anything, but the Baptists are often just as dependent, if not almost too dependent, on the pastor of the church.

But this is me being really biased and annoying.

The straight up differences are:
No belief in Mary or Saints or anything like that, there is no extended family (I had a Baptist friend tell me “Mary is dead, she cant hear you, and if she could, she wouldnt want to, I know what she would think”)

Once Saved Always Saved

King James Bible only

Sola scriptura

Everything is Bible-based, worship consists of singing and whatnot and then a solid hour of the pastor preaching, few rituals or traditions

etc Its a whole 'nother world. Baptists are famous for believing that Catholics dont read the Bible and dont worship Jesus. Its really unfortunate that is a popular belief among them. They are an extremely Biblically-literate people, very highly educated in that regard, I would wish that they would be equally so in other respects and accept us as Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

 

[Contarini]

So I was wondering, is the baptist church necessarily right? Because he says he is a committed christian and he seems like it, do you think his church is right?

I love the catholic church but it’s seems like he seems to be saying that we are not 100% authentic which makes me nervous.

I don’t follow your logic. Do you have some reason for placing such implicit trust in what your friend says? Why would you doubt your faith just because another committed Christian disagrees with it? Shouldn’t you ask him to provide some actual evidence or arguments. (He may have provided this, but you haven’t described it.)

Ediwn

 

[jeanbeloni]

I admire their zest for Bible study and understanding, thats really great to see a people so literate in the Bible. But I do find that they are a little flawed, sometimes Baptists will boast their excellent Bible literacy, but honestly they spend hours and hours and hours listening to their pastor and what he has to think. I get a lot of uppity-ness from them that Catholics dont think for themselves and dont know anything, but the Baptists are often just as dependent, if not almost too dependent, on the pastor of the church.

But this is me being really biased and annoying.

The straight up differences are:
No belief in Mary or Saints or anything like that, there is no extended family (I had a Baptist friend tell me “Mary is dead, she cant hear you, and if she could, she wouldnt want to, I know what she would think”)

Once Saved Always Saved

King James Bible only

Sola scriptura

Everything is Bible-based, worship consists of singing and whatnot and then a solid hour of the pastor preaching, few rituals or traditions

etc Its a whole 'nother world. Baptists are famous for believing that Catholics dont read the Bible and dont worship Jesus. Its really unfortunate that is a popular belief among them. They are an extremely Biblically-literate people, very highly educated in that regard, I would wish that they would be equally so in other respects and accept us as Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

I grew up as a Baptist and am now becoming a Catholic. I was baptised when I was 9 years old and it was a very important moment in my life. In fact, it is probably the one issue I have with the Catholic church - most are not baptised as the Bible teaches and was Jesus’ example.

You probably need to know that there is not just one Baptist organization. The largest is the Southern Baptist Convention and they have a generally conservative service. The worship service is the same length as a mass - about an hour. There is a little more singing than at mass and the sermon takes perhaps 20 - 30 minutes. However, reading of scripture is part of that and is no longer than the Liturgy of the Word. Some independent Baptist churches get pretty lively and it may be a very long service.

The SBC does provide guidance and teaching to member churches. They do require that the member churches be consistent on a handful of principles and provide for that by training pastors in their Seminaries. I’ve heard one of our deacons say that Protestants don’t study sources outside of the Bible, but that is far from true.

I actually don’t remember ever hearing much about the Catholic church in any Baptist church. Sure, they do neglect to teach church history, but that may be because there would be an admittance that they broke from the Catholic church. The teachings I did hear was that Catholics are certainly going to heaven. There was certainly some who looked down on Catholics for their lack of Bible knowledge, but that’s primarily because they don’t know the mass or the religion. Much like you don’t know theirs.

I really believe that Christians should stop worrying about each other and worry about the real threat to our faith - atheism and our government wanting to legitimize their beliefs as equal to ours.