Baptist Churches Turning Non-Denominational?

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Tonks40:
if a pastor was trained at a Baptist college (or any other religious college in theology, for that matter), wouldn’t that pastor epouse the Baptist ideas of Christian theology, thus pass that on to his/her congregants?
No, Tonks, that’s not really how it works over here in Protestantland. I myself was trained in four different schools, three of which I disagree with. At each school there was a multitude of denominations represented in the student body.

I enjoyed the give-and-take of theological disputing with those who differed from me. We all learned from one another, even though none of us (to my knowledge) changed his denomination because of the conversations. Yet we all agreed on the fundamentals of the Christian faith and were united by our belief that the Bible was God’s word and, therefore, the touchstone of truth.
 
In my mind, a non-denominational is like a child that has run away to escape authority of it’s mother and father so it may attempt to be it’s own authority so that it may do as it wishes without apparent consequence…

Either way, each new non-denominational that is created adds to the 30,000 plus protestant denominations world-wide which furthers the work of Satan by dividing that which Jesus commanded to be United…

Which leads me to this final question on this subject. If for arguments sake, if the Catholic Church is 100% right and has always been 100% right in each teachings for nearly 2000 years, then for you the Protestant, would you have not have some fear of standing before God on the Great Day of the Lord and answering to God why you denounced the Catholic Church that his son instituted? And if God was to ask, why did you not believe the scripture as it was explained and taught to you by a Catholic memeber, how would you answer that question?

We recently had a discussion about what God will judge you on in RCIA. We have a pair of Methodists attending that have for the last 13 years attended their own church and ours. The subject of Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc came up. I told the group that I in fear, that the person standing on the road side begging for money to eat might in actuality might be an angel who is testing our belief in God’s word, that I always stop if practical and give something, even if it’s the only quarter I have in my possession. This methodist said: “So you give to these people out of fear?” I replied with a forceful YES. I thought for a moment and said this: “I rather stand naked before God on that great day of Judgement and answer before God why I gave out of fear, than to stand before God and answer why I saw the same person and did not stop to give either with an ATTITUDE OF INDIFFERENCE or and ATTITUDE OF SUSPCIION that the person may be scamming” then I invoked the parable of “The Good Samaritan”. The two Methodists bowed their red-shame-faced heads and were unconfortable addressing anyone else the remainder of the class.

I wonder how anti-catholics are going to be able to stand before God when all is revealed to them. I think about this alot to the point of losing sleep over it. As an ex-pentecostal born-again Catholic, this attitude and belief of anti-catholicism bothers my soul and more so when I think about people such as James White and Jack Chick that make it their life goal to bash Catholics and further the teachings that are misconceptions, misunderstandings, and outright lies…

Good day.
 
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JoeyWarren:
In my mind, a non-denominational is like a child that has run away to escape authority of it’s mother and father so it may attempt to be it’s own authority so that it may do as it wishes without apparent consequence.
Some family-owned-and-operated churches are like that, but the real test of your theory is to see what actually goes on in actual nondenominational churches.

Although one might think that a church has no accountability because it is nondenom, the same might be said for any Baptist church, since they are, by definition, autonomous. And yet, look at how all of them still seem to be “Baptist” after all these centuries–with nobody outside the wall of the church to keep them Baptistic in their doctrines and practices.

Most Bible churches are not formed to escape authority, as there is very little authority exercised in most denominations. They are formed to escape baggage, bureaucracy, politics, and empty traditions. Wanting to breathe free is the American tradition.

But they never fully succeed in their quest. A nondenom “Bible church” has a charter and an authority structure which is spelled out. Every member has a Bible in his hand. They know their tradition and they hold one another accountable. The church cannot continue without the unity that comes from a shared purpose and a common viewpoint. The most they can boast of in this area is that they’re free from men to become slaves to Christ.

Aberrant bodies are easy enough to find: dysfunctional people dysfunctioning one another, a leader who is an abusive father figure, weird paganistic experiences–but they’re exceptions and the people who don’t like it can leave and find a healthy church.

For those who do like it, well, it’s a free country…
 
Hi again;

I do not think that God is going to condemn someone because of what church they happen to worship him in if it is true worship.
However I think God will have a lot to say about how many people you have introduced his son to.
Not counting the Southern Baptist and the American Baptist there are today over forty one million people worldwide that call themselves Regular Baptists. Regular Baptist churches have the largest gospel missionary outreach and spend the most money on missionarys than any one else. Our missionary budget is three times more than our church budget. And God continues to bless us! Amen and Amen !!! There is more to be said but not now.
this is why I am forever Baptist on earth and in heaven!

Forever in his Love
allischalmers
 
"In my mind, a non-denominational is like a child that has run away to escape authority of it’s mother and father so it may attempt to be it’s own authority so that it may do as it wishes without apparent consequence…"
Hi Joey,

I love what you wrote and often used that analogy when people leave the faith. I recently made a similar statement to a family member who left. I said what happens when you don’t like what’s taught at your church do you than go to another. I also made the comment that it’s not about what you like or what you believe but what is the Truth and you cannot change it. Obedience is a virture that is not practiced very often and I think it was that very virture that made many great saints. Anyhow I am also dealing with family members in a non-denominational sect.

God Bless
Kathleen
 
That is not true…Where did you get that from.

God Bless
Kathleen
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allischalmers:
Hi again;

I do not think that God is going to condemn someone because of what church they happen to worship him in if it is true worship.
However I think God will have a lot to say about how many people you have introduced his son to.
Not counting the Southern Baptist and the American Baptist there are today over forty one million people worldwide that call themselves Regular Baptists. Regular Baptist churches have the largest gospel missionary outreach and spend the most money on missionarys than any one else. Our missionary budget is three times more than our church budget. And God continues to bless us! Amen and Amen !!! There is more to be said but not now.
this is why I am forever Baptist on earth and in heaven!

Forever in his Love
allischalmers
 
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allischalmers:
I do not think that God is going to condemn someone because of what church they happen to worship him in if it is true worship. However I think God will have a lot to say about how many people you have introduced his son to.
But the sin of rejection of Bible Teaching will have to be purged prior to entering heaven. For nothing unclean can enter heaven.

There is an old adage that I have experienced everywhere " One oh Sh_t negates10 atta-boys.

Baptists don’t believe in Infant Baptism.
Catholics and other Protestants do believe.
The early Church fathers did as well believe.

That sin of unbelief must be purged from mind and soul.

The sin that divorce is okay must be purged also.

All vices one holds must be purged prior to entering heaven as well.

The belief in the Rapture must be purged as well.

etc, etc, etc.
 
I think it was one of your guys named Origen that taught that hell would be emptied and that Satan and his fallen angels would go to heaven.
Allischalmers
 
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allischalmers:
I think it was one of your guys named Origen that taught that hell would be emptied and that Satan and his fallen angels would go to heaven.
Allischalmers
eh?

All hail the Ori?
 
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allischalmers:
I think it was one of your guys named Origen that taught that hell would be emptied and that Satan and his fallen angels would go to heaven.
Allischalmers
Can you provide a link to ths?
 
Kevan

Thanks I know Im not crazy now, there is accountability.

Tonks

I would have said I dont know, so Kevan having been there can be a answer.

To the rest of the comments about judgement

Im struggling about this if you dont go to the Catholic church then Gods gonna kick you out. Ive heard other churches say that too. I didnt know there are some that know the mind of God. :eek:

Christ will judge the heart, if your bugged about giving its probably something He asked you to do. But everyone has a different job, gifts, and abilitys, so we cant judge others by what we do. And we are told not to.
 
JoeyWarren
Heres your link
“Church History in Plain Language” by Bruce L. Shelley, (senior professor of church history at Denver Theological Seminary) pages 80 thru 87

allischalmers
 
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allischalmers:
JoeyWarren
Heres your link
“Church History in Plain Language” by Bruce L. Shelley, (senior professor of church history at Denver Theological Seminary) pages 80 thru 87

allischalmers
Surely you don’t expect me to believe a quote from a fundalmentalist do you? Bruce L. Shelley is Anti-Catholic plus he is old school from the hatred era.

Show me the actual writing of Origen, not something from a Protestant slant and taint.
 
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allischalmers:
JoeyWarren
Heres your link
“Church History in Plain Language” by Bruce L. Shelley, (senior professor of church history at Denver Theological Seminary) pages 80 thru 87

allischalmers
Quoting someone like Bruce L Shelley is akin to quoting something written by a Jehovah Witness or a Mormon.
 
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allischalmers:
Also Baptist are a people that God has given a special understanding of scripture and a people that God has a special relationship with.

always Baptist
allischalmers
My girlfriend and I have been having a lot of conversations regarding religion. She is baptist while I’m Protestant. So here is my question regarding the quote above: “Why and what is the basis of this conclusion that Baptist have a ‘special’ understanding of the bible and have a ‘special’ relationship w/ God?” :eek:

Sincerely,

Rob
 
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rmsuffy:
My girlfriend and I have been having a lot of conversations regarding religion. She is baptist while I’m Protestant. So here is my question regarding the quote above: “Why and what is the basis of this conclusion that Baptist have a ‘special’ understanding of the bible and have a ‘special’ relationship w/ God?” :eek:

Sincerely,

Rob
UHHHH Baptist is a Protestant. As for the conclusion? They don’t really.
 
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JoeyWarren:
UHHHH Baptist is a Protestant. As for the conclusion? They don’t really.
Clarify - I am a Lutheran… I didn’t really consider Baptist part of the Protestant church; however after reviewing this, I see your point.

Back to my question - why do Baptist believe they have a ‘special’ relationship w/ God and have a ‘special’ understanding of the Bible? I take that as saying I don’t have a special understanding of the Bible and don’t have a special relationship w/ God because I am Lutheran.

That doesn’t seem right. Could someone help clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Robert
 
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rmsuffy:
Clarify - I am a Lutheran… I didn’t really consider Baptist part of the Protestant church; however after reviewing this, I see your point.

Back to my question - why do Baptist believe they have a ‘special’ relationship w/ God and have a ‘special’ understanding of the Bible? I take that as saying I don’t have a special understanding of the Bible and don’t have a special relationship w/ God because I am Lutheran.

That doesn’t seem right. Could someone help clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Robert
Peace.

I always considered Baptists to be Protestants, but apparently that is not a consensus among Baptists?

“Baptist Contributions to Protestantism” - William H. Brackney

"To some people, saying Baptists are Protestants sounds strange, because they think Baptists are a category of Christians unto themselves. On the contrary, for many Baptists it is important to be seen as part of the Protestant family and Baptists have certainly made important contributions to the overall meaning of Protestantism.

“Protestants are the Christians who emerged in Europe in the sixteenth century to emphasize the authority of Scripture, the priesthood of believers, and salvation by grace. Major categories of Protestants include Lutherans, Reformed (Zwinglian and Calvinistic), Anabaptists, and the Church of England. Major heroic figures emerged in the Protestant groups, including Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, John Calvin, Balthasar Hubmaier, Conrad Grebel, Menno Simons, and Thomas Cranmer.”

baptisthistory.org/contissues/brackney.htm

mainstreambaptists.org/index.html

Peace.
 
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rmsuffy:
Back to my question - why do Baptist believe they have a ‘special’ relationship w/ God and have a ‘special’ understanding of the Bible? I take that as saying I don’t have a special understanding of the Bible and don’t have a special relationship w/ God because I am Lutheran.

That doesn’t seem right. Could someone help clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Robert
I suggest you start a new thread for this question. I personally don’t know the answer but there are those that do. 🙂
 
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