Baptist Communion?

[mrsdizzyd]

I’d say their 3 years apprenticeship under Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit trumps any university degree.

It’s worth pointing out that those who came after them have spent years in study or apprenticeship learning the faith.

As a former lifelong Baptist I have met many many preachers with no training or apprenticeship. It’s just them and their Bible. You get some very skewed interpretations of the Bible from these folks.

 

[thistle]

Alright, rondirect. I’ll give you my view of the article from US Catholic magazine. I was actually trying to be polite by not commenting on it not because of the article’s contents but because of the publication itself.

US Catholic magazine is not a reliable source for moral or doctrinal matters. Anything within its pages is not to be taken seriously. Therefore, respectfully speaking, the article is a bunch of bunk.

That’s true. US Catholic magazine is NOT a publication to read if you want to know what the Church teaches. Over the years it has consistently published items rejecting Church doctrines even to the extent of saying the Church is fallible and can err. It even supports those who are pro-choice and pro-contraception.

 

[Wannano]

I’d say their 3 years apprenticeship under Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit Trump any university degree.

No arguement from me, and I believe that still holds true today.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

That had not been my experience. As I said earlier ( I think I edited while you were posting, sorry)

As a former lifelong Baptist I have met many many preachers with no training or apprenticeship. It’s just them and their Bible. You get some very skewed interpretations of the Bible from these folks.

 

[Wannano]

I’d say their 3 years apprenticeship under Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit trumps any university degree.

It’s worth pointing out that those who came after them have spent years in study or apprenticeship learning the faith.

As a former lifelong Baptist I have met many many preachers with no training or apprenticeship. It’s just them and their Bible. You get some very skewed interpretations of the Bible from these folks.

I agree with this as well. I also believe the Cemeteries, oh, correction, the Seminaries produce some with skewed ideas. Even Catholic ones.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

the Seminaries produce some with skewed ideas. Even Catholic ones.

This is also very true!

It makes me very thankful for the magisterium! At least I have some assistance in discerning the truth.

As a Baptist, I always felt that I was at a disadvantage when trying to discern between good pastors and false prophets.

The most corrupt and deceptive minister I ever had the displeasure of “following” had a litany of Ivy League divinity degrees. Highly intelligent, well-studied wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

the Seminaries produce some with skewed ideas. Even Catholic ones.

This is also very true!

It makes me very thankful for the magisterium! At least I have some assistance in discerning the truth.

As a Baptist, I always felt that I was at a disadvantage when trying to discern between good pastors and false prophets.

The most corrupt and deceptive minister I ever had the displeasure of “following” had a litany of Ivy League divinity degrees. Highly intelligent, well-studied wolf in sheeps clothing.

I believe this is not only a Protestant phenomenon.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

I believe this is not only a Protestant phenomenon.

Certainly not!

The beauty of having recourse to scripture, tradition, and magisterium is that you can more effectively identify and deal with the wolves in your midst. They can’t just go off and start another church when the kitchen gets too hot.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

The beauty of having recourse to scripture, tradition, and magisterium is that you can more effectively identify and deal with the wolves in your midst. They can’t just go off and start another church when the kitchen gets too hot.

Ummm, isn’t that what the Second Temple Jews and the Pharisees said about those who began preaching a new Gospel? How do you think the church started in the first place?

 

[mrsdizzyd]

mrsdizzyd:

The beauty of having recourse to scripture, tradition, and magisterium is that you can more effectively identify and deal with the wolves in your midst. They can’t just go off and start another church when the kitchen gets too hot.

Ummm, isn’t that what the Second Temple Jews and the Pharisees said about those who began preaching a new Gospel? How do you think the church started in the first place?

Of course, this is a question of right authority! And, the answer to that question is the Church Christ established.

I recommend Mark Shea’s book, By What Authority:

By What Authority?: An Evangelical Discovers Catholic Tradition

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1586177826/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_FBrmBbZZGQQ6S

 

[jlhargus]

My husband attends a Baptist Church while I go to Mass. I try to support him by attending with him when I can. I feel very uncomfortable when I’m there and they pass around the bread and juice (about once a month I think) because I can’t bring myself to take it and I’ve been asked about it afterwards. I didn’t know how to answer, without giving offense, that I didn’t want to participate in a hollow echo of what I know Communion was meant to be. So I changed the subject.
I asked my priest and he said it wasn’t a sin to partake of it but wasn’t able to give much more guidance regarding if I should just participate for ecumenism’s sake or a way of sharing the truth in a loving way. He’s pretty busy so I haven’t been able to corner him and get a more thorough discussion.
My husband has said I tend to speak the truth without always balancing it with love, while he is the opposite I think, so I’m afraid to say something that might cause problems. Am I being judgemental and “holier-than-thou” about this and should just do it, or can this be a sharing moment about Church teachings? If so, in what words?

The simple answer would be, I would be violating my conscience. Second it is rude for anyone to question a person as to why they don’t take communion and most especially when they know you are not Baptist.

 

[jlhargus]

Welcome home mrsdizzyd. I made the journey from non-denomination 40 yrs ago.

 

[Dlee]

At my former Baptist Church, we used to use Manischewitz No Salt Matzos crackers. They were leaven free. They had to be broken into small pieces prior to communion.

 

[Reuben_J]

At my former Baptist Church, we used to use Manischewitz No Salt Matzos crackers. They were leaven free. They had to be broken into small pieces prior to communion.

Thank you for an information like that. Some cradle Catholics like us would not know of this and therefore cannot discuss with certainty on the topic.

 

[jlhargus]

The beauty of having recourse to scripture, tradition, and magisterium is that you can more effectively identify and deal with the wolves in your midst. They can’t just go off and start another church when the kitchen gets too hot.

Ummm, isn’t that what the Second Temple Jews and the Pharisees said about those who began preaching a new Gospel?

How do you think the church started in the first place?

JL: By the Word who was with God and that Word was God and that Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Proclaiming the kingdom of God which was not another gospel to the Jews. Nor did the Second Temple Jews have the promise of the Spirit of Truth to lead them into all truth.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Nor did the Second Temple Jews have the promise of the Spirit of Truth to lead them into all truth.

Of course the Jews had the Spirit. They had it from the beginning of creation. It is called, in Hebrew, the Shekhinah. The Jews had/have the Covenant, which is the First Covenant to Christianity’s Second or New Covenant. Jesus always taught from his roots in Judaism.

 

[jlhargus]

Nor did the Second Temple Jews have the promise of the Spirit of Truth to lead them into all truth.

Of course the Jews had the Spirit. They had it from the beginning of creation. It is called, in Hebrew, the Shekhinah. The Jews had/have the Covenant, which is the First Covenant to Christianity’s Second or New Covenant. Jesus always taught from his roots in Judaism.

I don’t think you will be able to produce evidence for the Shekhinah or Ark of the Covenant at the time of the Second Temple. Nor that the Jews had the Spirit from the beginning of creation. There was no such people at that time.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

I don’t think you will be able to produce evidence for the Shekhinah or Ark of the Covenant at the time of the Second Temple. Nor that the Jews had the Spirit from the beginning of creation. There was no such people at that time.

Sorry? That God existed from the beginning, as did the Spirit who participated in the creation of the world (as Ruach), is part of both Jewish and Christian beliefs.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

I’m sorry. This is getting way off topic. Let’s just leave it here, all right?

 

[Gorgias]

Of course the Jews had the Spirit. They had it from the beginning of creation. It is called, in Hebrew, the Shekhinah.

To be fair, Jews wouldn’t regard the shekhinah as “the spirit of God”. They would consider it “the presence of God”. The take on the shekhinah as God’s Spirit is a Christian re-interpretation of rabbinic literature.

I’m sorry. This is getting way off topic. Let’s just leave it here, all right?

Well… you’re the one who brought up ‘second temple Judaism’ as relevant to the discussion, no?