Baptist Pastor's "bed-in" encourages "more sex."

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This is a profoundly sad example of the effects of secularism on non-Catholic Christianity, and shows how important it is for faith to have solid roots. Drawing inspiration from the “free love” movement, and in particular a stunt pulled by John Lennon (notoriously anti-God) and Yoko Ono, this pastor presents a model of Christian marital relations devoid of responsibility. Your thoughts?
 
prodigalson2011 said:
Idailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087652/Pastor-wife-cosy-roof-church-tell-worshippers-sex.html

This is a profoundly sad example of the effects of secularism on non-Catholic Christianity, and shows how important it is for faith to have solid roots. Drawing inspiration from the “free love” movement, and in particular a stunt pulled by John Lennon (notoriously anti-God) and Yoko Ono, this pastor presents a model of Christian marital relations devoid of responsibility. Your thoughts?
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Ya…Ed Young is kinda kooky. :whacky:

I’ve watched parts of his broadcast and couldn’t help but ask, “Could this guy be even MORE full of himself?”
 
prodigalson2011 said:
Idailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087652/Pastor-wife-cosy-roof-church-tell-worshippers-sex.html

This is a profoundly sad example of the effects of secularism on non-Catholic Christianity, and shows how important it is for faith to have solid roots. Drawing inspiration from the “free love” movement, and in particular a stunt pulled by John Lennon (notoriously anti-God) and Yoko Ono, this pastor presents a model of Christian marital relations devoid of responsibility. Your thoughts?
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I had this conversation with a friend of mine last summer. Not this pastor in particular, but the trend in Southern Baptist congregations to bring sex out from under a rock. Apparently this ‘sex isn’t a dirty word’ message has been pushed for a few years, and it’s mainly caused by dramatically increased divorce rates and instances of extramarital affairs. And when analyzed, sexual dissatisfaction was high on the list of divorce/affair reasons. (My friend is a religious studies professor and has been studying Southern Baptists since the late 90s.)

I’m only going on what she told me, but for a long time the only message about marital relations heard in Southern Baptist churches and families was, “Sex is bad, m-kay?” (said in my best Mr. Mackey voice).

I personally find this pastor a bit of an attention hound, but I think the overall message - that married sex isn’t sinful, that married sex isn’t dirty or shameful, that married sex can be GASP fun! - is a positive one. Yeah, some of what they’re teaching isn’t in line with Catholic teaching (not just the “free love” John and Yoko stuff, but what they promote as far as married sexuailty), but they’re not Catholic.

Luna
 
Luna_Lovecraft said:
I had this conversation with a friend of mine last summer. Not this pastor in particular, but the trend in Southern Baptist congregations to bring sex out from under a rock. Apparently this ‘sex isn’t a dirty word’ message has been pushed for a few years, and it’s mainly caused by dramatically increased divorce rates and instances of extramarital affairs. And when analyzed, sexual dissatisfaction was high on the list of divorce/affair reasons. (My friend is a religious studies professor and has been studying Southern Baptists since the late 90s.)

I’m only going on what she told me, but for a long time the only message about marital relations heard in Southern Baptist churches and families was, “Sex is bad, m-kay?” (said in my best Mr. Mackey voice).

I personally find this pastor a bit of an attention hound, but I think the overall message - that married sex isn’t sinful, that married sex isn’t dirty or shameful, that married sex can be GASP fun! - is a positive one. Yeah, some of what they’re teaching isn’t in line with Catholic teaching (not just the “free love” John and Yoko stuff, but what they promote as far as married sexuailty), but they’re not Catholic.

Luna
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I dunno. I’m as far South as they come, and I don’t see that. All the Baptists I know accept contraception, so they’re more sexually “liberal” than observant Catholics. In fact, I’m pretty sure that one of the consequences of the acceptance of contraception predicted by Humanae Vitae was precisely an increase in divorce when sex became primarily a matter of personal (selfish) satisfaction. Advocating a sex marathon hardly seems a good way to fix strained marriages. It looks to me more like self serving hedonism under the guise of spirituality. But, that’s just me. 😛
 
Well the church is the family business since his daddy is the pastor at second baptist.

Always cracks me up when I see their billboards…5 locations, one church…I have always wanted the diocese to come out with something like…over 100 local locations, 1billion people in one church.
 
So birth control is ok, but having a glass of wine “bringing shame to God”??🤷
 
DaddyGirl said:
John and Yoko’s bed-in had nothing to do with sex. They held a press conference in a hotel room, sitting in bed wearing pajamas, and the topic of the press conference was war and peace–it had nothing–repeat, nothing–to do with sex. It was a peaceful protest against war. A very Jesus-like concept, I’d think.

He wasn’t anti-God, he was anti-letting different religions pull people apart and give people reason to hate others.
Of his song Imagine, which many people erroniously consider anti-God, he explains:
“If you can imagine a world at peace, with no denominations of religion—not without religion, but without this ‘my God is bigger than your God’ thing—then it can be true.”
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Mea culpa. I know the stunt they were aping wasn’t sexual, I just associate John Lennon with the hippie/free love movement. Don’t get me wrong, I was a huge Lennon fan as a kid/teen, but with lyrics like “God is a concept by which we measure our pain… I don’t believe in the Bible… I don’t believe in Jesus… I just believe in me,” among other things, he promoted some pretty anti-religious views, no matter how much backpedaling he may have done after the fact. All that said, my beef isn’t so much with Lennon but with Christian churches using someone whose ideals were far from Christian as a model.

Funny (well, more tragic, really) aside about Lennon: he actually converted to Christianity briefly in the late 70s, but Yoko wouldn’t have it as it clashed with her occult lifestyle.
 
Well, apart from providing me with a pretty good rejoinder the next time a Baptist tackles me about paedophile priests … “I don’t suppose you’ve heard about the way Baptists behave on Church roofs?”, they’re about forty years too late.

It reminds me of a cartoon my old pastor told me about, where two disappointed clerics are sitting at this table with a “Coffee Club” sign nearby. One says to the other, “Well, they told me it always works…”.

They were a few years too late - the “coffee club” drawcard had been and gone as an evangelical tool. And the nonsense these two are proposing is junk as well.
 
Having been a Baptist myself once, believe me, you don’t have to “encourage” them.
:cool:
 
Most modern Protestant pastors never met a gimmick they didn’t love. :rolleyes:
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Like this:

or this,

or this,
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:rotfl:

Here are some of the corniest I’ve seen in my little corner of the world:

*God answers knee mail.

The best vitamin for a Christian is B1
*

There’s one other that really stuck in my memory, but I’m not sure it would be appropriate to post here (it was VERY off color.)
 
This is what comes down without a central teaching authority… The Gospel becomes a “sexperiment” on the roof of the ecclecial building.
 
prodigalson2011 said:
Idailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087652/Pastor-wife-cosy-roof-church-tell-worshippers-sex.html

This is a profoundly sad example of the effects of secularism on non-Catholic Christianity, and shows how important it is for faith to have solid roots. Drawing inspiration from the “free love” movement, and in particular a stunt pulled by John Lennon (notoriously anti-God) and Yoko Ono, this pastor presents a model of Christian marital relations devoid of responsibility. Your thoughts?
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I watched the whole video in the link. Kind of tacky–yes. An “attention hound”?—probably. But how is this pastor presenting a “model of Christian marital relations devoid of responsibility”?

I thought his wife made some good points–not new points, but ones that may be worth emphasizing for some people. Maybe there are those who would be helped by hearing it, particularly if they’ve been raised in a setting that devalues the power of the unitive aspect of marital sex.
 
prodigalson2011 said:
Idailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087652/Pastor-wife-cosy-roof-church-tell-worshippers-sex.html

This is a profoundly sad example of the effects of secularism on non-Catholic Christianity, and shows how important it is for faith to have solid roots. Drawing inspiration from the “free love” movement, and in particular a stunt pulled by John Lennon (notoriously anti-God) and Yoko Ono, this pastor presents a model of Christian marital relations devoid of responsibility. Your thoughts?
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If you find this guy irresponsible, then Mark Driscoll will just make your blood boil. His “teaching” on Song of Solomon is perverse to say the least!

Mark Driscoll, author of Confessions of a Reformission Rev (2006), explains his technique for achieving church growth: ‘I assumed the students and singles were all pretty horny, so I went out on a limb and preached through the Song of Songs in the fall… Each week I extolled the virtues of marriage, foreplay, oral sex, sacred stripping and sex outdoors, just as the book teaches, because all Scripture is indeed profitable.’ [pp 94, 96].

Driscoll has frequently said that his favourite book of the Bible is Song of Solomon, and this gives him an opportunity to talk about sex in the most sensuous and irreverent way. His latest book, Real Marriage (2012), deals with self-stimulation, the use of sex toys and forms of cybersex. The most provocative of all involves sodomy within marriage. [Challies blog]

Below is a link to the site about him.

He is highly esteemed in Evangelical circles

Mark Driscoll founded The Resurgence, a theological cooperative that works with the Acts 29 Network of churches. He also works closely with the Desiring God Ministry of John Piper, and The Gospel Coalition, that includes Tim Keller and Don Carson. Indeed, Driscoll is so well regarded in evangelical circles that he is council member of The Gospel Coalition. He is regularly invited to talk at Christian Conferences in the USA and across other parts of the world.

driscollcontroversy.com/?p=1
 
onemangang said:
Mark Driscoll, author of Confessions of a Reformission Rev (2006), explains his technique for achieving church growth: ‘I assumed the students and singles were all pretty horny, so I went out on a limb and preached through the Song of Songs in the fall… Each week I extolled the virtues of marriage, foreplay, oral sex, sacred stripping and sex outdoors, just as the book teaches, because all Scripture is indeed profitable.’ [pp 94, 96].

driscollcontroversy.com/?p=1
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ROFL. This reads like something from that episode of South Park, “Christian Rock Hard”.
 
It’s not that surprising if you think about it. They’ve swallowed the idea that sex can be intentionally sterilized without damaging its other positive attributes within marriage. Once you’ve accepted that it is a logical inevitability that other behaviors previously denounced as violating the procreative aspect of sexuality can be relabeled as not only tolerable, but virtuous.

It’s the same logic train that leads to homosexual “marriage,” eventually.
 
From the article:
A Southern Baptist minister and his wife have staged a bed-in on the roof of their church to encourage parishioners to put the zing back in their marriages - by having sex for seven days straight.
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On the roof of the church?!?
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Nazis and fundamentalists, they don’t need parodied, they’re self-parody.
😃
 
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