Baptist Perversion.

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I don’t know about you, but here is an example of people taking St. Paul’s words way out of context and turning them into something perverted.

“The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband.” (1 Corinthians 7:3-4)

Baptists honestly think that this means that partners should always submit to each others sexual desires. I think this is perverted and wrong.

I know that when St. Paul was originally writing this he meant it symbolically that man and woman should become like one person with their love, not with sexual desires.
 
Well that paragraph doesn’t say all sexual desires… it jsut said no withholding sex except for limited times agreed on by the couple.

What makes you think it’s only symbolic?
 
You have to remember that the term ‘Baptist’ is about as definitive as the word ‘human’. Anybody can just call themselves a Baptist.

Personally, my Baptist relatives would probably be horrified at the notion that people actually have sex, let alone they themselves have to.
 
Is this the official Baptist teaching or just one individuals biblical interpretation?
 
Rawb is right, most Baptists don’t like to talk, much less teach about sex. At the same time I never heard anyone claim that was symbolic only.
 
Syele said:
Well that paragraph doesn’t say all sexual desires… it jsut said no withholding sex except for limited times agreed on by the couple.
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But can you see where that would go? One partner would always be forcing the other for relations, and is that very Christian. I don’t think so, you should respect your spouse’s wishes.
What makes you think it’s only symbolic?
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Did you read it? How do you think it’s literal?
 
Rawb said:
You have to remember that the term ‘Baptist’ is about as definitive as the word ‘human’. Anybody can just call themselves a Baptist.

Personally, my Baptist relatives would probably be horrified at the notion that people actually have sex, let alone they themselves have to.
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Nice one. 👍
 
Syele said:
Rawb is right, most Baptists don’t like to talk, much less teach about sex. At the same time I never heard anyone claim that was symbolic only.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean purely symbolic, my point was more or less that St. Paul says duty. Does that mean sex? That means responsibilities to me.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Sorry, I didn’t mean purely symbolic, my point was more or less that St. Paul says duty. Does that mean sex? That means responsibilities to me.
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look at more of the passage… what duties besides sex do you see there? What duties would people be seperate from that they might be tempted outside the marriage as a result of… what other than sex is “burn with passion” referring to?
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
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holdencaulfield said:
I don’t know about you, but here is an example of people taking St. Paul’s words way out of context and turning them into something perverted.

“The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband.” (1 Corinthians 7:3-4)

Baptists honestly think that this means that partners should always submit to each others sexual desires. I think this is perverted and wrong.

I know that when St. Paul was originally writing this he meant it symbolically that man and woman should become like one person with their love, not with sexual desires.
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there’s something wrong with fullfilling sexual desires?
 
Are you a Catholic? Perhaps you are not aware that the Church teaches that we are not to withhold the marital embrace from our spouses. It is a sin to do so without just reasons-- such as illness, etc.

When St. Paul says “marital debt” he absolutely means sexual relations. He states this in several different places in the bible.
 
But Protestantism leans heavily on an assumption that everyone should be married. That changes things considerably.
 
1ke said:
Are you a Catholic? Perhaps you are not aware that the Church teaches that we are not to withhold the marital embrace from our spouses. It is a sin to do so without just reasons-- such as illness, etc.

When St. Paul says “marital debt” he absolutely means sexual relations. He states this in several different places in the bible.
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Of course I am Catholic, It just seems like it’s symbolic to me.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Could you show me where?
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1 Corinthians 7: The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife,and likewise the wife toward her husband. A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife. Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to
one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack
of self-control.

From Casti Connubii, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI on marriage:
  1. The second blessing of matrimony which We said was mentioned by St. Augustine, is the blessing of conjugal honor which consists in the mutual fidelity of the spouses in fulfilling the marriage contract, so that what belongs to one of the parties by reason of this contract sanctioned by divine law, **may not be denied to him or permitted to any third person; nor may there be conceded to one of the parties **anything which, being contrary to the rights and laws of God and entirely opposed to matrimonial faith, can never be conceded.
  2. By this same love it is necessary that all the other rights and duties of the marriage state be regulated as the words of the Apostle: “Let the husband render the debt to the wife, and the wife also in like manner to the husband,”[28] express not only a law of justice but of charity
From Canon Law:
Impotence is a Canon Law impediment to marriage and it is an impediment because an impotent person cannot undertake their marital duty— “pay the marriage debt” as it is commonly known. See Aquinas in the Summa Theologica for an explanation of the marriage debt:

newadvent.org/summa/5058.htm
 
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