baptist rant

[reen12]

BlestOne:

quote: BlestOne

But there are people out there that are affected by our actions as well as our inactions. We have to gently and graciously correct people that make comments that we know are false

I am all for stating, clearly, the truths of the Catholic
faith. Particularly, the effort to convey an accurate account
of Catholic doctrine, when same is distorted by another.

To me there is a world of difference, between “conveying
or stating” and the term “correct[ing].”

“To correct” can be an accurate rendering of the
activity taking place.

It can also be an off-putting attitude, that turns people
away from the faith.

quote:BlestOne

Sometimes you know that the person you are talking to isn’t going to listen no matter what you say…think of it like a teenager, we think they aren’t listening but years later it may sink in.

A teacher of “teenager” “corrects” their homework
assigments.

A Christian adult - respecting the adulthood of the
other - states, conveys. This testifies and
witnesses to truth, while respecting both the integrity,
and the maturity, of the one being addressed.

Who will answer to Christ, for one who may be driven away
from the faith, by those who would “correct,” rather
than convey the truth - with the charity Christ, Himself
urges us to display?

Words have both meaning and import. It is not
simply a matter of semantics.

To me, the words “gentle” and “gracious” lose their
meaning, when juxtaposed to the verb “correct,”
in this context.

If I understand, aright, what Benedict XVI is saying,
he, too, shares the attitude that I’m expressing, toward
both evangelization and apologetics.

reen12

 

[Marquette]

Lillith:

That is the experience that my husband has (Batholic…we are getting somewhere )

That one date is so all important…it is amazing to me, because the date of his baptism is completely unknown…no records kept!

The amazing thing to me:

Sinner’s prayer = most important / not Biblical
Baptism into the body of Christ = unimportant / Biblical

Which is part of why I am no longer Baptist. I’m in RCIA!!!

 

[stanley123]

I know some (former) Baptists who converted to Catholicism, and I would have to say that they are excellent, devout and outstanding Catholics.

 

[koda]

I was raised Baptist and have an uncle and second cousin who are Baptist ministers. My mom was very surrportive of me when I converted - she went to a lot o RCIA sessions where she met a lot of really nice people. I think that helped put her at ease. My Uncle has never said anything to be about it but he treats me just as he always did. On the funny side, my mom was telling me about when she first told her brother (my uncle) that I had converted. He said the only thing he had aginst Catholics was jfdljfsldjlksj. In other words, I didn’t understand what she said, she kind of mumbled. I never asked her to repeat it so I still have no idea what it is.

 

[april_hosen]

misterX:

I was reading up on Mother teresa and found this little doozy

www.wayoflife.org/fbns/motherteresa.html
It started out ok, saying that indeed mother Teresa was a good Christian did many good thing even hinted she was saint like. Then WHAM they sprouted into their usal false teachings of the Church, the anti Christ pope type things these people always seem to spew out. What is it with these so called christians? they can’t even talk about a woman who devouted her life to Christ and the service of the poor without going into some rabid rant about the Church.truely these people are clearly mentaly unstable

To be honest,
You rant made me giggle a little. Your right Baptists are crazy! Mind you though they’re crazy for Jesus. Most Baptists tend to see things black and white. And if something’s gray then it must be wrong. But please you should work on holding your tongue. You represent the Catholic Church. If someone started bashing your religion, think about it, would that make you want to convert to their religion or would you be repulsed. Personally I’m kind of repulsed. But I’m well aware that one persons thoughts and actions dont exactly mean that the wholefeels that way too. Nevertheless, just let the Holy Spirit fill you, and give you peace.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

april_hosen:

To be honest,
You rant made me giggle a little. Your right Baptists are crazy! Mind you though they’re crazy for Jesus. Most Baptists tend to see things black and white. And if something’s gray then it must be wrong. But please you should work on holding your tongue. You represent the Catholic Church. If someone started bashing your religion, think about it, would that make you want to convert to their religion or would you be repulsed. Personally I’m kind of repulsed. But I’m well aware that one persons thoughts and actions dont exactly mean that the wholefeels that way too. Nevertheless, just let the Holy Spirit fill you, and give you peace.

I know many Baptists, and one of our good family friends, Pastor Frank, is a Baptist preacher. He’s a good guy. I don’t think this is the type of people misterX is talking about, but rather the fundamentalist rabid anti-Catholic types who believe Catholics, just because they’re Catholic aren’t Christians etc. Sometimes people do overgeneralize, but I don’t know many Catholics who don’t consider Baptists Christians, but I’ve heard a lot of Baptists who don’t think Catholics are if they’re a faithful Catholic.

 

[stanley123]

april_hosen:

Your right Baptists are crazy! Mind you though they’re crazy for Jesus. .

I know a wonderfu young lady who is a Baptist. She is intelligent, beautiful, and of high character. Also, she doesn’t have anything against Catholics, but she is a devout Baptist. I don’t think she is crazy at all. She is a solid person, someone of high moral character, and a wonderful person to know and have as a friend.

 

[stanley123]

With reference the question of Baptists, I have another observation. There is in our area a Baptist college, and I noticed that they do not have any of the lewd plays that I am seeing put on at the Catholic colleges. For example, at the Holy Cross college in Worcester, Massachusetts, they celebrate Ash Wednesday by having students perform and put on the lewd play called the V_monologues. But they don’t have this at the local Baptist college, where they appear to emhasise family life instead of having these type of plays which support lesbian activity. Not only that, but I am hearing of all kinds of weird things being taught at Catholic colleges. Does this say anything about which is the crazy group here?

 

[Lillith]

stanley123:

With reference the question of Baptists, I have another observation. There is in our area a Baptist college, and I noticed that they do not have any of the lewd plays that I am seeing put on at the Catholic colleges. For example, at the Holy Cross college in Worcester, Massachusetts, they celebrate Ash Wednesday by having students perform and put on the lewd play called the V_monologues. But they don’t have this at the local Baptist college, where they appear to emhasise family life instead of having these type of plays which support lesbian activity. Not only that, but I am hearing of all kinds of weird things being taught at Catholic colleges. Does this say anything about which is the crazy group here?

There are Catholic colleges and colleges that are Catholic only in name. I have a list by the National Catholic Register that does not have the college that you sited on the list of colleges that have a mandatum (Bishop approved)

Being as you are from Mass. I am not surprised. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry are “Catholic” too.

The Bishops are now declaring colleges “no longer Catholic”…I am paying close attention as my daughter looks for a school to attend.

If what you are telling us is true…this college does not have the benchmark of Catholicity which are as follows, these are the criteria the Bishops are judging each school…and the one you listed definately fails.

Concern for social justice
Sacramental and devotional life
Christian Tradition as elements in curriculum
% of Catholic staff
Religious attitudes among students
Practice of faith

I only wish we could force a name change so that Catholic Parents would not be confused and send their children to these Catholic in name only schools

 

[stanley123]

Lillith:

There are Catholic colleges and colleges that are Catholic only in name. I have a list by the National Catholic Register that does not have the college that you sited on the list of colleges that have a mandatum (Bishop approved)

Look under the name:
College of the Holy Cross, Worcester, Massachusetts.
It is run by the Jesuits.
By the way, they say that the local bishop had given them the green light to put on the play the V_monologues. People here are claiming that the Baptists are crazy, but who is crazy here, the local Baptist college or these Catholic colleges which are putting on these lewd plays? All kinds of weird things are being reported concerning Catholic colleges these days.

 

[Lillith]

stanley123:

Look under the name:
College of the Holy Cross, Worcester, Massachusetts.
It is run by the Jesuits.
By the way, they say that the local bishop had given them the green light to put on the play the V_monologues. People here are claiming that the Baptists are crazy, but who is crazy here, the local Baptist college or these Catholic colleges which are putting on these lewd plays? All kinds of weird things are being reported concerning Catholic colleges these days.

I did look under the name. There is a College of the Holy Cross in Louisianna that has a mandatum…but not one in Massachusetts…in other words…the Bishop in Massachusetts has not given the college a nod…saying that it is a Catholic College…

Are you sure the Bishop gave the green light…is there proof…could it be a rumor? I believe I have the complete list here…you can look it up and double check…the organization is called the National Catholic Register. This is a fairly new development (the madatum) possibly the college is under investigation as we speak.

The National Catholic Register is a magazine…the article was printed july 5th

 

[Lillith]

Found the link:

ncregister.com/articulo.php?artkod=ODk

All the schools that have a Mandatum thus far

 

[stanley123]

Lillith:

I believe I have the complete list here…you can look it up and double check…the organization is called the National Catholic Register.

See;
holycross.edu/about/about.htm
“http://www.holycross.edu/about/jb_library.jpgHoly Cross is renowned for its academic excellence and mentoring-based, liberal arts education in the Jesuit tradition. An exclusively undergraduate institution with approximately 2,700 students, Holy Cross is the oldest Catholic college in New England.”

 

[Lillith]

Hey Stanley…

If it really upsets you…and I can tell it does…you should use the link provided to report abuse too…

We should do something…

God Bless
Lillith

 

[Lillith]

stanley123:

See;
holycross.edu/about/about.htm
“http://www.holycross.edu/about/jb_library.jpgHoly Cross is renowned for its academic excellence and mentoring-based, **liberal arts education ** in the Jesuit tradition. An exclusively undergraduate institution with approximately 2,700 students, Holy Cross is the oldest Catholic college in New England.”

That is not listed as Mandatum…Also Jesuit tradition does not mean run by Jesuits…I highlighted a part that makes me raise my eyebrows…Liberal Arts…always makes me concerned…

 

[stanley123]

Lillith:

Found the link:

ncregister.com/articulo.php?artkod=ODk

All the schools that have a Mandatum thus far

Not true. Its a partial list.
“This is a partial list of U.S. Catholic Universities who publicly require all Catholic theology professors to have the mandatum (their bishop´s recognition of their pledge to teach in communion with the magisterium of the Church). Contact editor@ncregister.com to add your school.”

 

[Lillith]

stanley123:

Not true. Its a partial list.
“This is a partial list of U.S. Catholic Universities who publicly require all Catholic theology professors to have the mandatum (their bishop´s recognition of their pledge to teach in communion with the magisterium of the Church). Contact editor@ncregister.com to add your school.”

It is partial because the investigation is not through…Why don’t you go to the link provided and report abuse.

How did you find out that the Bishop allowed the V—monologues to be seen on campus? Are you sure of that? Is your Bishop a good one following the true teachings of the Church? Is he rouge? I would be concerned indeed. Personally, if a College is not listed I won’t consider it…There is a good discussion about Catholic colleges going on here: I think we have highjacked this thread

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=16496

 

[stanley123]

Lillith:

It is partial because the investigation is not through

This is a good illustration of my point. It is a bit ridiculous for Catholics to accuse the Baptists of being crazy.

 

[april_hosen]

stanley123:

I know a wonderfu young lady who is a Baptist. She is intelligent, beautiful, and of high character. Also, she doesn’t have anything against Catholics, but she is a devout Baptist. I don’t think she is crazy at all. She is a solid person, someone of high moral character, and a wonderful person to know and have as a friend.

Oh no worries,
I myself am a Baptist, I was just kidding. Most Baptists I know arent literally mentally insane. But I dont think I even no one who is mentally insane. SO I guess I dont know any Baptists who are insane either.

 

[LSK]

Ahimsa:

We Baptists love to rant. Don’t take it personally.

seriously though, I sponsor a woman in my 12 step group who was raised Baptist and today is - I guess - basic Sola Scriptura Christian. One of her sponsees has decided to become a Catholic :bigyikes: which has just flipped her out. The other day, before one of our meetings, my sponsee turned to me in all seriousness and says, “Please tell me, Leslie. Judy’s Higher Power is Jesus Christ, right?”

You would all be very proud of me as I practiced restraint of tongue and said, “Of course He is - after all, she is becoming a member of the Church He founded.”

She nodded ‘ok’ and I think what I said didn’t really hit her until about half-way through the meeting…