Baptist says we aren't "biblical".

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Greetings,
Just my luck, several years ago, I think I was chosen by a neighbor as a target for evangelization. I know Evangelicals do this as I have worked in a Baptist church before and seen first hand how they consider selling Jesus to people like women selling Mary Kay. The only difference is that Mary Kay ladies are honest about what they are selling.
I knew something was weird when I stopped answering her calls. I take my 93 year old grandfather to mass every weekend. She suggested I take him once a month and make her a nd make her Baptist church my home church. Her husband jokingly told me Catholics were going to burn in hell. I’m not an appologist, they were frightening me. Every time I shared something about my Catholic faith, they would say it wasnt biblical. I don’t have a lots of friends so I loved the bible studies until they started blaming every single problem in their lives on satan.
The worst part was last month I found out I have breast cancer. My Baptist friend said that all the ladies in the bible study were being attacked by satan and that she was having trouble at her job. She also said cancer was caused by unforgivness in my heart.
Please tell me how I can defend my Catholic faith. I don’t care that she used me to fill her quota. But I want to leave this making sure she knows a thing or two about our treasured faith.
Many thanks,
Jen
 
It sounds like you need some good Catholics friends and a good Catholic Bible Study! Make it perfectly clear to your non-Catholic friends that you are not interested in changing your beliefs.

A good friend will respect your beliefs and not tell you will go to hell for them. Calmly tell them you love your faith and that there are answers to their questions that you cannot articulate right now…but there are answers!

You don’t need the stress of “friends” who do not respect your beliefs.

If you like to read and be prepared to respond to some questions I highly recommend “Catholicism and Fundamentalism” by Karl Keating. All the misunderstandings and twisted knowledge that non-Catholics have can be responded to in that book.

But, please be aware that no matter how well you can articulate your beliefs and explain the misunderstandings they have, some will just keep arguing with you, and it is best to not discuss religion at all with them.
 
hellokitty said:
Greetings,
Just my luck, several years ago, I think I was chosen by a neighbor as a target for evangelization. I know Evangelicals do this as I have worked in a Baptist church before and seen first hand how they consider selling Jesus to people like women selling Mary Kay. The only difference is that Mary Kay ladies are honest about what they are selling.
I knew something was weird when I stopped answering her calls. I take my 93 year old grandfather to mass every weekend. She suggested I take him once a month and make her a nd make her Baptist church my home church. Her husband jokingly told me Catholics were going to burn in hell. I’m not an appologist, they were frightening me. Every time I shared something about my Catholic faith, they would say it wasnt biblical. I don’t have a lots of friends so I loved the bible studies until they started blaming every single problem in their lives on satan.
The worst part was last month I found out I have breast cancer. My Baptist friend said that all the ladies in the bible study were being attacked by satan and that she was having trouble at her job. She also said cancer was caused by unforgivness in my heart.
Please tell me how I can defend my Catholic faith. I don’t care that she used me to fill her quota. But I want to leave this making sure she knows a thing or two about our treasured faith.
Many thanks,
Jen
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I have been there and endured that! I was a part of a non-denominational “church” for a number of years before I came home to the Catholic Church (BTW I was not raised in any church and had no idea that I’d ever become catholic) They used to say that I was not financially well off because of an attack of satan, I had a “spirit of intelligence” that needed to be cast out because I couldn’t agree with a lot of stuff I was being taught. I’ve been in so many protestant communities that blamed every problem on satan and considered the Catholic Church to be headed for hell, and taught that if you didn’t speak in tongues you did not have the Holy Spirit ad nauseum. So do not feel alone although it is easy to feel that way. I agree that many of these non-Catholics seem to feel that they need to fill a quota of souls that they’ve “saved” (translated ‘convinced that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong’) I’ll pray for you if you’ll pray for me since I seem to lack the courage to say something when someone is bashing what I believe and then I feel like a jerk afterwards.

Glenn
 
Jesus pointed out that illness was not a result of one’s sin or of one’s parents sin. You might want to remind your friend that her stance does not go along with Jesus’ point of view.

See John 9:1-3

And as [Jesus] passed by , He saw a man which was blind from birth.
And His disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hat this man sinned, nor his parents but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Note: This is the KJV. She most likely won’t accept any other transalation.

As for the suggestion that you stop taking your grandfather to Mass. You might want to remind her that one of the commandments is to honor your parents. That would include your grandparents (as they are your parents’ parents, and you must honor them in order to honor your parents). You might want to ask her if she is suggesting you enter into an occasion of sin by not honoring his need to go to the church of his youth and hear the Lord’s word.
 
Jen,

I was raised Baptist and believe me, you don’t need these people now. You need support from your own faith and your own parish. I haven’t been here very long, but I remember a group where it seemed like most of us had had breast cancer so there is support here, too. I had breast cancer 16 years ago so I expect I am out of date about treatment and such, but if you would like to talk, send me a PM.

Take care,

Carolyn Elizabeth
 
sallybutler said:
Jesus pointed out that illness was not a result of one’s sin or of one’s parents sin. You might want to remind your friend that her stance does not go along with Jesus’ point of view.

See John 9:1-3

And as [Jesus] passed by , He saw a man which was blind from birth.
And His disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hat this man sinned, nor his parents but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Note: This is the KJV. She most likely won’t accept any other transalation.

As for the suggestion that you stop taking your grandfather to Mass. You might want to remind her that one of the commandments is to honor your parents. That would include your grandparents (as they are your parents’ parents, and you must honor them in order to honor your parents). You might want to ask her if she is suggesting you enter into an occasion of sin by not honoring his need to go to the church of his youth and hear the Lord’s word.
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As we all know, if the KJV is good enough for Apostle Paul, it should be good enough for us:rolleyes:
 
LegoGE1947 said:
As we all know, if the KJV is good enough for Apostle Paul, it should be good enough for us:rolleyes:
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I keep forgetting that St Paul spoke the same language as Shakespeare & King James. Obviously, history was not my strongest class in school.
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I love it when others accuse - the Catholic Church is not Bible based. I tell them they are absolutely right. (i always speak with love and excitement in my voice when talking about the Catholic Church.) Our Church is not Bible based, because it existed BEFORE the Bible was written completely. The new testament is like our “Family diary”. The Catholic Church lived, wrote, and compiled all the books of the New Testament! I tell them the Bible is the fruit of our tree! The Catholic Church is in the best position to understand, teach, and explain what the bible really means, because she lived it first, then wrote it down, and protected it!

I also tell them that every time the words “The Church” is used in the new testament they are referring to The Holy Catholic Church! (their church didn’t exist 2000 years ago!) you might also mention that Satan doesn’t want them to know these truths, and loves to spred lies about the Catholic Church. (perhaps that will make them hesitate to continue to spred these lies!) Have fun! 😉
 
Many Baptists (and too many Catholics) don’t have a clue about where we got the Bible. I certainly didn’t! And they don’t know that the New Testament, which they misinterpret, consists of 27 of the Catholic Church’s own writings.

You can buy your Baptist friends a little book titled Where We Got the Bible, Our Debt to the Catholic Church, by Henry G. Graham, available from Catholic Answers and Amazon. And it’s online here:

catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ in A.D. 33 in Jerusalem. The first Baptists were founded by John Smyth in Amsterdam in 1607. The Catholic Church is God-made. The Baptist organizations are all man-made. There are hundreds of Baptist denominations teaching different doctrines, based on yet another (mis)interpretation of the same incomplete Bible cut by Martin Luther. Which one do your friends claim is true?

Christianity wasn’t founded on the Bible, as Protestants would have you believe. It was founded on the Church established by Christ for the salvation of the world. The Catholic Faith comes to us from the lips of the Apostles.

Christ founded the Church, and the Church produced the Bible. The NT was written by members of the Church during the last 50 years of so of the first century. At the end of the fourth century, the Church selected 27 of her own writings, canonized them, and named them the New Testament. At the same time, the Church canonized the 46 writings she inherited from Jesus and the Apostles and named them the Old Testament. Her entire collection of sacred Scripture she named tá Biblia, the Bible – which means the Books.

The Catholic religion is not based on the Bible, but on the teaching of Chirst and the Apostles. The New Testament confirms the teaching of the Church, but it is not the original source. Again, the source is Christ and the Apostles.

Your Baptist friends are speaking from ignorance. Pray for them. And buy them another book – Born Fundamentalist, Born again Catholic, by former Baptist David Currie – also available at Catholic Answers and Amazon.

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
I have had experiences with this as well, mostly from my Baptist friends and former friends. One thing I learned from it all was this: no matter what you present them with, if their minds are shut, there is NOTHING you can do, say or prove that they will accept. I finally had to just start saying that I appreciated what they were trying to do, but I would not be changing my views and if they were ever interested in learning (and really listening to) WHY Catholics believe the way we do, I would be more than happy to sit down and discuss it with them. Needless to say, no one took me up on that offer! :rolleyes:
 
Baptist says we aren’t "biblical"

That’s news to me…

I returned to the Church about 4 years ago (drawn mainly by the Eucharist), but since I have been back I have been privileged to learn just how “biblical” the Catholic Church truly is…👍

Others have given good answers but I think the one I like best is the one by “Regina Love”. The Bible really is like our family diary.

I also agree with the others that you don’t need this stuff now and should tell her that you have no intention of leaving the faith.
Tell her that taking your 93 yo grandfather to mass is not a burden but a privilege as is being able to receive Jesus, body blood soul and divinity in the Eucharist every week.
Then ask her why in the world would she think you would give up such an intimate, personal relationship with Jesus to go somewhere else?

Then you could have a little card prepared with the address of Catholic Answers on it and tell her to log in here if she wants to learn about whether the Catholic Church is biblical or not…

Peace
James
 
Hi, ex-baptist here, go to my status, look up my thread “Ex-Baptist Conversion Testimony.”
It should help you out alot. 👍
I outlYyyyine the Scriptural basis thru out it for these sorts of people…
 
hellokitty said:
Greetings,
Just my luck, several years ago, I think I was chosen by a neighbor as a target for evangelization. I know Evangelicals do this as I have worked in a Baptist church before and seen first hand how they consider selling Jesus to people like women selling Mary Kay. The only difference is that Mary Kay ladies are honest about what they are selling.
I knew something was weird when I stopped answering her calls. I take my 93 year old grandfather to mass every weekend. She suggested I take him once a month and make her a nd make her Baptist church my home church. Her husband jokingly told me Catholics were going to burn in hell. I’m not an appologist, they were frightening me. Every time I shared something about my Catholic faith, they would say it wasnt biblical. I don’t have a lots of friends so I loved the bible studies until they started blaming every single problem in their lives on satan.
The worst part was last month I found out I have breast cancer. My Baptist friend said that all the ladies in the bible study were being attacked by satan and that she was having trouble at her job. She also said cancer was caused by unforgivness in my heart.
Please tell me how I can defend my Catholic faith. I don’t care that she used me to fill her quota. But I want to leave this making sure she knows a thing or two about our treasured faith.
Many thanks,
Jen
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There are a variety of things you can do and perhaps the simplest thing to do is walk away. Consider it to be a near occasion of sin. Now if it were me I may do something different but if I were you why bother.
 
Originally Posted by LegoGE1947
As we all know, if the KJV is good enough for Apostle Paul, it should be good enough for us

sallybutler’s problem about LegoGE1947’s post quoted above may be the same as mine. Let me express my problem as: How can a man of the first century AD pass judgment as “good enough” on the work of another human being who was to be born centuries after his death? In other words: How did it happen that St. Paul (a man who lived during the first century AD) be able to evaluate the KJV and say that it was good enough? I can say with full certainty that the grandfather of King James of England was not yet born when St. Paul died.
The truth is those who champion the KJV and say that Catholics are not biblical are exposing themselves to be not biblical because the KJV itself is never appearing in any the of the original manuscripts of the Bible.
 
roads152 said:
Originally Posted by LegoGE1947
As we all know, if the KJV is good enough for Apostle Paul, it should be good enough for us

sallybutler’s problem about LegoGE1947’s post quoted above may be the same as mine. Let me express my problem as: How can a man of the first century AD pass judgment as “good enough” on the work of another human being who was to be born centuries after his death? In other words: How did it happen that St. Paul (a man who lived during the first century AD) be able to evaluate the KJV and say that it was good enough? I can say with full certainty that the grandfather of King James of England was not yet born when St. Paul died.
The truth is those who champion the KJV and say that Catholics are not biblical are exposing themselves to be not biblical because the KJV itself is never appearing in any the of the original manuscripts of the Bible.
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While I agree with you, my main point was that Jesus said that illness was not a result of sin. I quoted the KJV because most protestants seem to place an inordinate amount of authority on that instead of on Christ.

Jen, no matter what well meaning people may say, your cancer is not a result of any sins you may have committed. God may use your cancer for a greater good, BUT IT IS NOT result of sin or lack of faith (the next method of attack Satan will use against you). Hold onto that truth.
 
Nothing new here. We door knocked and always took advantage of every single event to help convince those poor lost souls, Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, CofGod, AofGod, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. that they needed to study the bible and not divert from what it says. When the bible is silent, we remain silent. Everyone was going to hell. Long story short with lesson learned, stay away from fundamentalists in all faiths and your life will make more sense.
 
hellokitty said:
Greetings,
The worst part was last month I found out I have breast cancer. My Baptist friend said that all the ladies in the bible study were being attacked by satan and that she was having trouble at her job. She also said cancer was caused by unforgivness in my heart.
Please tell me how I can defend my Catholic faith. I don’t care that she used me to fill her quota. But I want to leave this making sure she knows a thing or two about our treasured faith.
Many thanks,
Jen
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Jen,
Your fundamentalist friends have a primative view of God, as someone who is watching them over their shoulder, and judging their every move. God is more of a principle than a loving presence in their heart.

I would not debate bible scriptures with them nor expect them to ‘come around’ and appreciate the RCC. At best you might teach them about some of the ‘good fruits’ of the RCC charity and social services. It’s too easy for detractors to focus on scandal and ignore the immense good.
 
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