Baptists and the 'rapture & tribulation'?

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Gods peace be with you theophilus’ (friends of God),

My aunt, a Baptist, told me today that ALL Baptists believe in the ‘rapture & tribulation’. She went on to say that if we just use the Word of God as our source there can be no disputes in theology! OK…

My questions for my Baptist brothers and sisters:
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe in the ‘rapture & tribulation’?
  2. Do ALL Baptists believe the same things about the ‘rapture & tribulation’?
  3. Do ALL Baptists believe the Word of God, the Bible, is the fianal authority? OK, which Bible then and which version and which translator, author, etc…?
  4. What do ALL Baptists believe in? (I heard there were only 5 things they can ALL agree on)
  5. Have you been in a Baptist church that admits the ‘rature & tribualtion’ is a HOAX? Where and what is it’s name?
  6. The ‘rapture & tribulation’ violates Sacred Scripture, what verses can anyone use to support it?
  7. What verses clearly prove the ‘rapture and tribulation’ wrong?
  8. How did so many (not just Baptists either) get sucked into the ‘rapture and tribulation’ HOAX?
  9. One final question, do Methodists believe in the ‘rap & trib’ hoax too? Some, all, the church teachings on it? (The very anti-Catholic Grandma was there and she’s a Methodist and believes in it too)
A prisoner of Christ,
 
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Malachi4U:
JMJ

Gods peace be with you theophilus’ (friends of God),

My aunt, a Baptist, told me today that ALL Baptists believe in the ‘rapture & tribulation’. She went on to say that if we just use the Word of God as our source there can be no disputes in theology! OK…

My questions for my Baptist brothers and sisters:
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe in the ‘rapture & tribulation’?
No, just most.
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe the same things about the ‘rapture & tribulation’?
No.
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe the Word of God, the Bible, is the fianal authority? OK, which Bible then and which version and which translator, author, etc…?
Yes, in the original manuscripts. Translations are simply that - translations of the original. However, the more conservative Baptists claim KJV only - for various reasons redundant to post here.
  1. What do ALL Baptists believe in? (I heard there were only 5 things they can ALL agree on)
Hah - tricky question. All believe in the symbolic nature of baptism and Lord’s Supper - priesthood of all believers - eternity of hell - just some off top of my noggin’ 🙂
  1. Have you been in a Baptist church that admits the ‘rature & tribualtion’ is a HOAX? Where and what is it’s name?
No
  1. The ‘rapture & tribulation’ violates Sacred Scripture, what verses can anyone use to support it?
I’ll post this later - till then the CA Library answers it pretty well. Here is the link: catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp
  1. What verses clearly prove the ‘rapture and tribulation’ wrong?
I dunno
  1. How did so many (not just Baptists either) get sucked into the ‘rapture and tribulation’ HOAX?
Even the disciples and Thessalonians were confused about the end times. The disciples asked Jesus when these things would be - His reply is in Matthew. So, I think Christians by and large have always asked those questions. It just became more of a novelty after the Reformation. In protestant Bibles where commentaries by Calvin and others appeared you started to see references to the end times more and more in-depth analysis.
  1. One final question, do Methodists believe in the ‘rap & trib’ hoax too? Some, all, the church teachings on it? (The very anti-Catholic Grandma was there and she’s a Methodist and believes in it too)
I would say that you would find many if not most protestants believing the rapture and tribulation - divided into camps of pre-, post- and mid-.
A prisoner of Christ.
 
As popular as the Left Behind series is I’d think more people would talk about this subject? Do Catholics just ignore the subject and Baptists not like to talk about it here?
 
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Malachi4U:
As popular as the Left Behind series is I’d think more people would talk about this subject? Do Catholics just ignore the subject and Baptists not like to talk about it here?
I personally believe the Left Behind Series (of which I have read 4 of them) are really half-truths. They take some element of truth contained in Scripture and make it fit their modern-day interpretation of it. That’s nothing new of course. We all do that to a certain degree on many things.

Peace…
 
From the Baptist Faith and Message (SBC):

sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#viii
X. Last Things

God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. According to His promise, Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth; the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.
The BF&M used to be five items long.

God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Salvation through Faith in Christ

The two established ordainances of Baptism and Lord’s Supper

The Bible as the inspired record of God’s revelation to man.

The local church as an autonomous group of believers.
 
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Malachi4U:
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe in the ‘rapture & tribulation’?
You need to bone up on your eschatology. All CHRISTIANS believe in a tribulation and in a rapture. The debate is over timing, how the end-times will play out, etcetera. What you are polling about is the pre-millenial, pre-tribulational schema of rapture, involving an invisible return of Christ for His Church, followed by a certain number of years of intense tribulation, followed by a War of Armageddon and the visible return of Christ, follwed by a thousand-year reign of Christ on earth.

The view I just described is often incorporated into a theological system known as Dispensationalism. Much too difficult to go into here. Try this wikipedia article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

As constructed, your poll is actually unanswerable: you display too little familiarity with your subject and too much animus towards those who would differ with you.
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe the same things about the ‘rapture & tribulation’?
No. There are post-tribulationalist Baptists, a rather well-known one right here in St. Louis, Holmes Moore. There are a-millenial and post-millenial Baptists whose views on eschatology would resemble that of most Roman Catholics. I assume there are mid-tribbers who are Baptists, though I’ve not known of any. Many Baptists reject Dispensationalism, which teaches the pre-tribulational rapture almost universally.
  1. Do ALL Baptists believe the Word of God, the Bible, is the fianal authority? OK, which Bible then and which version and which translator, author, etc…?
The Bible is infallible and inerrant in it’s orignal autografa. It has been Divinely preserved in various manuscripts, but few Baptists believe in the inerrancy of transmission–most acknowledge that some interpolations and variants have occurred but feel that God has preserved all that is essential. Translations are helpful but only a tiny slice of the Protestant Evangelical world believe that any translation is inspired. About 10% of conservative Evangelicals, I would unscientifically estimate, believe that the Textus Receptus best represents the autografa, with about 10% of those believing that the KJV is the infallible translation of the Textus Receptus.
  1. What do ALL Baptists believe in? (I heard there were only 5 things they can ALL agree on)
‘Baptist’ is an umbrella term for a wide disparity of Christian associations, not all of which share a common heritage. In general however, Baptists would accept the doctrines found in the Apostle’s Creed, Nicene Creed, and Athanasian Creed. They are part of the Reformed tradition. You might find this page helpful:

baptiststart.com/doctrine.htm#confessions
  1. Have you been in a Baptist church that admits the ‘rature & tribualtion’ is a HOAX? Where and what is it’s name?
Haven’t been in it, but Pastor Homes Moore certainly has preached this idea. Here’s their website:

oldgospel.com/
  1. The ‘rapture & tribulation’ violates Sacred Scripture, what verses can anyone use to support it?
I am neither a Baptist, nor a Dispensationalist, nor a pre-tribulationist. So I’ll leave this one to someone who is at least one of the above.
  1. What verses clearly prove the ‘rapture and tribulation’ wrong?
Space does not permit. In any case you clearly are unfamiliar with the various schools of eschatology–historicist, futurist, allegorical, etcetera. You don’t know much about Protestant theology or ecclesiology. You don’t project an air of being really interested. If you are, you obviously have a computer and could do a web search on the subject(s) for yourself.
  1. How did so many (not just Baptists either) get sucked into the ‘rapture and tribulation’ HOAX?
Loaded question. I don’t believe in the pre-tribulational rapture theory either, but as a Roman Catholic you presumably do believe in the ‘development of doctrine’. Why then must you assume that an eschatological system which has been articulated and ably defended (albeit wrongly, IMHO) by various learned men of God is necessarily a hoax?
  1. One final question, do Methodists believe in the ‘rap & trib’ hoax too? Some, all, the church teachings on it? (The very anti-Catholic Grandma was there and she’s a Methodist and believes in it too)
Pre-tribulationalism is not a denominational property. Various Evangelicals have embraced it, some by default (it is virtually the only well-articulated view extant on many Christian bookshelves) and others after serious study.
 
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