Baptists can trace their history to NT times

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ExpectAMiracle:
I don’t remember Jesus setting a frequency to the number of observances of his last supper. Why do you do it every week.
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We keep the Sabbath.
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
Totally disagree with that statement. I am in the hotbed of Catholics here in central PA. I would say it is most certainly the other way around. I have been reading this board and the arrogance and ignorance to other faiths demostrated by many catholics that post here is alarming. I choose to read God’s word, meditate on scripture and work to lead people to a psersonal relationship with God. I rarely here catholics refer to themselves as Christian. They always say “he or she is a good catholic”. Too many catholics are missing the boat following the church and not keeping their eyes on Christ.
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And I am in the Hotbed of Baptists here in Central Alabama. I can say the same about some of the Baptist forums as well.
 
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Eden:
Are you referring to Sacraments? Sacraments which infuse us with grace, are biblical and draw us closer to Him? These are not “distractions” at all but beautiful ways to grow in our faith.
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Did the priests guilty of those horrible actions towards children give the sacraments and communion? Why would God work the Miracle of converting the body and blood of Christ through pedophiles? Were those null and void or did God overlook the actions of the priest conduit to work his Miracles? Seriously, I am totally clueless about the sacraments in scripture. I know what they are - but I am confused on how scripture support them.
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
It seems to me his sacrifice once was enough. why do you continue to put him on the cross?
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It was a “once for all sacrifice”. You are thinking in earthly terms not heavenly terms. 2,000 years ago was as is now outside the bounds of the temporal world. Many Protestants misunderstand this.

**Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.

Protestants have no qualms accepting the perfect and efficacious nature of Christ’s sacrifice, but invite them to consider its eternal aspect. Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.

The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, “This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you.” So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didn’t get the job done, then the Mass won’t help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christ—it is the work of Christ.
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catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109sbs.asp
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
I will pray that you read His Word and choose to have a personal walk with Him.
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Are you judging? Be warned that you may be judged by the same measure…
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
Unless you are very healthy you weren’t alive 2000 years ago either. So everything you know about Christ has come from the same scripture and stories we read.
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The Church has maintained the “deposit of faith” through apostolic succession since 33 A.D. through the protection of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Eden:
It was a “once for all sacrifice”. You are thinking in earthly terms not heavenly terms. 2,000 years ago was as is now outside the bounds of the temporal world. Many Protestants misunderstand this.

**Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.

Protestants have no qualms accepting the perfect and efficacious nature of Christ’s sacrifice, but invite them to consider its eternal aspect. Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.

The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, “This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you.” So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didn’t get the job done, then the Mass won’t help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christ—it is the work of Christ.

We’ll agree to disagree on this one. We observe the Lord’s supper and the one sacrifice for our sins. I was just curious as to why the observance at Mass is supposed to cleanse all your sins. I thought a prayer of contrition and forgiveness to Him directly would be more than enough correct?
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catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109sbs.asp
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ExpectAMiracle:
Why do you rarely see a Bible at a Catholic Mass?
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I would encourage you to attend a Mass to see how much the Bible is featured. In the course of 3 years, if you were to attend Mass daily, you would complete an entire reading of the Bible.
 
Originally posted by ExpectAMiracle
So are you saying Baptists and non-catholics aren’t Christians?
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No.

I am saying that IF the contention is that Baptists can trace their lineage and church back to the time of the apostles, SHOW ME!

Where are the Baptists that called themselves Baptists in history and where are their writings? Christians can’t hide thier light. So where are these Baptist Christians that can be traced back to the apostles?

God Bless,
Maria
 
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Eden:
The Church has maintained the “deposit of faith” through apostolic succession since 33 A.D. through the protection of the Holy Spirit.
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I have never seen that in my Bible. Is that a press release from the Church or from Jesus? I would love to have the power to go into work tomorrow and say I am never wrong because I have declared myself infalible.

Isn’t it safer to immerse yourself in God’s word and follow Jesus?
 
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Eden:
I would encourage you to attend a Mass to see how much the Bible is featured. In the course of 3 years, if you were to attend Mass daily, you would complete an entire reading of the Bible.
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I have been to numerous Catholic services when I was in college and then with friends after college. Bible study is not a strong point of your Church. I read the Bible each year. I suggest you go to a protestant service - then you tell me honestly who spends more time in the Word. that’s my challenge to you. I also read the Proverbs and the Psalms monthly. I don’t dislike your faith - I just have always struggled with the superiority complex of some Catholics - who defend the church more so than follow Christ.
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
Did the priests guilty of those horrible actions towards children give the sacraments and communion? Why would God work the Miracle of converting the body and blood of Christ through pedophiles? Were those null and void or did God overlook the actions of the priest conduit to work his Miracles?
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I would encourage you to post this question on the forum “Ask an Apologist”.
Seriously, I am totally clueless about the sacraments in scripture. I know what they are - but I am confused on how scripture support them.
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The Sacraments are: Baptism, Confession, the Eucharist, Confirmation, Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders and Annointing of the Sick. If you would like to see the Biblical evidence that supports Catholic teaching on this, please look at scripturecatholic.com .
 
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JoeyWarren:
Are you judging? Be warned that you may be judged by the same measure…
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Not judging. Only encouraging to know God’s word and know the truth.
 
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bengal_fan:
Please inform us all on how baptists and anabaptists can trace their heritage to apostolic times. we’re listening, please tell us.
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Is Bengal fan’s question really so hard to answer?

God bless,
Maria
 
But Catholics do not believe that God has given us His divine Revelation in Christ exclusively through Scripture. Catholics also believe that God’s Revelation comes to us through the Apostolic Tradition and teaching authority of the Church.

Who came up with this one?
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
But Catholics do not believe that God has given us His divine Revelation in Christ exclusively through Scripture. Catholics also believe that God’s Revelation comes to us through the Apostolic Tradition and teaching authority of the Church.

Who came up with this one?
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The Bible did.
 
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ExpectAMiracle:
I have never seen that in my Bible. Is that a press release from the Church or from Jesus? I would love to have the power to go into work tomorrow and say I am never wrong because I have declared myself infalible.

Isn’t it safer to immerse yourself in God’s word and follow Jesus?
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Really? These are the basics of the Church. Here’s a good summary:

catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp
 
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