It could only be correct to say this about SOME laws in the west, as you point out exceptions in the West. This situation is also clear in the East. There are some matters that lie outside the realm of economy, for example matters settled directly by revelation.
Is it? Or is it an abuse? Economy is not not the sort of thing that induces heart-attacks.
It is an abuse, I was taught it is.
Of course. You can’t, by ekonomia, allow a man to commit murder or cheat on his wife. The point of ekonomia is relaxing the “rules” to bring the person closer to God, not just a blind relaxing of “rules”.
The strength and the weakness of economy is that it is case-to-case, which means the opinion of one clergy may not necessarily apply to another.
Technically speaking, the Catholic Church is East/West, and the Latin Rite and the Coptic are both in unity with the succesor of Peter in Rome.
G,Technically speaking, the Catholic Church is East/West, and the Latin Rite and the Coptic are both in unity with the succesor of Peter in Rome.
The CC is not “Roman”.
Right. And thus, there is a problem with the example given earlier of relaxed rules on divorce, rules that contradict the very words of Christ.
It’s not any different to the charades that happens in a Marriage Annulment Tribunal. At least we’re honest that a divorce is a divorce and a remarriage is a remarriage. At least those who divorce are told that it is a sin and is required to repent of their sin, rather than those who lie to get an annulment and get a “get out of jail free card” out of their marriage, without any penance, and get married again.
This post seems to implicate the Tribunal as a participant in charades and “lies”.
If I am not mistaken, bro Constantine has some problem with the Catholic Church regarding his marriage.
No, it is very different. The idea of a declaration of nullity is common to both East and West. The proliferation of annulments in the West is a very recent and regrettable phenomenon; I won’t argue that it is not liable to abuse. In the East, Church remarriage after divorce, being a bit more than a millennium old, has been garnered an expansive list of justifiable grounds and seems to be accepted by some as economy. But it is difficult to reconcile the use of economy against a moral proscription of Christ. I am not sure that there is a sound theory of economy that goes this far.
This newbie Orthodox sees at least a rough analogy between economia and “dispensation”. Both seem to aim at suspending the letter of the law to fulifll the spirit. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
I am not having my marriage annulled, FYI. I am absolutely happy with my marriage and I’m happy becoming Orthodox because our marriages are forever and for all eternity, as the Fathers of the Church have taught.
So what accounts for your persistent hostility toward Catholicism?
I’m just being honest with what I have seen. Forgive me if I think what a bunch of baloney it is for a marriage of 20+ years that produced 3 children is invalid.
After our conversion from Catholicism, we asked to have a crowning ceremony in the Holy Orthodox Church… it was so beautiful!
My priest told me that marriage is marriage, that once one is married then they are married regardless of where and how it happens. In the early Church people get married the secular way and if they are Chirstians then it is a Christian marriage. That is why he (and I agree with him) does not believe in the way annulments are done. He said that unless you are drunk or held at gun point, once you enter a marriage then you are married. Over-legalization of the Sacrament of Marriage just demeans the Sacrament itself.After our conversion from Catholicism, we asked to have a crowning ceremony in the Holy Orthodox Church… it was so beautiful!
We now celebrate our anniversary according to the Orthodox date…and wear our rings on the right hand.
How about if the person was already married in another state, and declined to disclose the fact?
Do I need to write a paper stating the entire situation of the scenario I object to and also detailing all the scenarios that should be allowed for annullment?
We love the crowning ceremony and we wanted a proper Orthodox ceremony. Our priests was gracious.
