Beating your head up against a wall

[Matt16_18]

reen12:

BTW, I read that link you provided. Good grief, Matt. My head was spinning, by the time I finished. Can’t anybody say anything about Christ, simply?

I’ll have to read more material on this “Lordship” controversy.
[Remember, I’m trained to follow complex arguement. But has the capacity to say something simply, been lost, so that if we say something simply, we’re called “simplistic.”?

I can understand why you would say that. Ernest Reisinger does a good job of showing the defects of the antinomian version of the OSAS heresy. He rightly calls this position “Non-Lordship Salvation” because antinomianism posits that one can have Jesus as his Savior without having Jesus as his Lord. Not that the antinomian Evangelical Protestants say that having Jesus as your Lord is a bad thing, it just isn’t necessary to have Jesus as your Lord in order to be saved.

I believe that the reason you can’t understand Ernest Reisinger is because he also believes in OSAS, but his version of OSAS is not antinomianism, it is the Calvinist version of OSAS, which he calls “Lordship Salvation”. The Calvinist version of OSAS is itself an incomprehensible doctrine because it is built on the foundation of straw that posits men have no free will.

I present the Evangelical position, in the hope that some who read these threads [without posting to same], and who may be as disaffected with the RCC as I am, might realize that Jesus can be both Savior and Lord, with blessed assurance.

But of course, no Evangelical would accept your defense of their position because you admit that you have no faith in Jesus.

Evangelical Protestants can be grouped in three categories, those who believe in the antinomian version of OSAS (e.g. Southern Baptists), those who believe in the Calvinist version of OSAS (e.g. Presbyterians), and those that believe that Christians can lose their salvation (e.g. Evangelical Lutherans). Something that all these Evangelical Protestants have in common is the belief that one must have faith in Jesus to be saved, and that one must accept that Jesus as God incarnate that died on the cross for your sins. These are two bedrock beliefs of Evangelical Protestantism, and you deny both of them.
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[reen12]

Hi, Matt16_18,

quote: Matt16_18

But of course, no Evangelical would accept your defense of their position because you admit that you have no faith in Jesus

But, of course, I’m not asking a given Evangelical to do
any such thing.

I present the Evangelical position:
quote: reen12

…in the hope that some who read these threads
[without posting to same], and who may be as
disaffected with the RCC as I am, might realize
that Jesus can be both Savior and Lord, with
blessed assurance.

Evangelicals speak of:
quote: reen12

-washed in the blood of the Lamb
-His righteousness is my righteousness
-He is my justification *and *salvation
-the work of our salvation and justification
has already been accomplished by
Christ.

• All we need do is accept and acknowledge Him
  as our Savior, accept the reality that He saves and
  justifies us - while following Him, in His commands,
  especially “Love the Lord thy God…and thy neighbor
  as thyself.”

That I pray to God, does not nullify my appreciation
of others who love Him, too, through Christ.

quote: Matt16_18

These are two bedrock beliefs of Evangelical Protestantism, and you deny both of them.

I affirm my love of God, Who made all things,
Who created me to know Him, love Him and serve Him,
in this life, and to be happy with Him, in the next.
[before things got way too complicated, for me, with
references to a Trinity.]

I was made glad, by this awareness, at age 6, and
will continue in that gladness, as I approach age 60.

God love you, Matt,

Maureen

 

[Matt16_18]

reen12

Let me see if I have this correct. You don’t believe that Jesus is God the Son, but you do believe that you can have “blessed assurance” in Jesus as the good shepherd.

That is basically what Jehovah Witnesses believe too.

 

[reen12]

quote: reen12

I affirm my love of God, Who made all things,
Who created me to know Him, love Him and serve Him,
in this life, and to be happy with Him, in the next.
[before things got way too complicated, for me, with
references to a Trinity.]

I was made glad, by this awareness, at age 6, and
will continue in that gladness, as I approach age 60.

If a person wishes to accept Christ - reading beyond
page 2, in the Baltimore Catechism - God love them,
and you.

When you choose to write:

quote: Matt16_18

Let me see if I have this correct. You don’t believe that Jesus is God the Son, but you do believe that you can have “blessed assurance” in Jesus as the good shepherd.

That is basically what Jehovah Witnesses believe too.

in response to my previous post, the conversation, to me, has ended it’s fruitful stage.

Be well, Matt,

Maureen