Beautiful OF Mass - Des Moines, IA

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While I was looking at the pictures, I thought, ā€œthats an EF Massā€ but then I remembered that they do make Altar Cards for the OF also. And being that I wasnā€™t there, I have to take the OP at his word that it was an OF Mass, done ad orientum. It appears to be extremely well done and very reverent.

Hope you donā€™t mind but Iā€™m going to share this photo series with my local OF priest.

God Bless
 
corsair said:
While I was looking at the pictures, I thought, ā€œthats an EF Massā€ but then I remembered that they do make Altar Cards for the OF also. And being that I wasnā€™t there, I have to take the OP at his word that it was an OF Mass, done ad orientum. It appears to be extremely well done and very reverent.

Hope you donā€™t mind but Iā€™m going to share this photo series with my local OF priest.

God Bless
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Really?
 
corsair said:
While I was looking at the pictures, I thought, ā€œthats an EF Massā€ but then I remembered that they do make Altar Cards for the OF also. And being that I wasnā€™t there, I have to take the OP at his word that it was an OF Mass, done ad orientum. It appears to be extremely well done and very reverent.

Hope you donā€™t mind but Iā€™m going to share this photo series with my local OF priest.

God Bless
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As an FYI, It was done facing the faithful, not away and was definitely an OF Mass. We went there probably 10 times while we were home visiting my family. There are two altars. The old one which was used prior to V2 is now used for other things as you can see in the picture. When the Christmas decorations were not up, there was an Icon set in place.

As for the rest, you can share the photo with whomever you like, I took it so there are no copyright issues to worry about.
 
TheMc said:
The language of worship is chant. Look at the eastern rites. Most of their liturgies are almost completely sung."
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I happen to like sung prayers, etc. in Mass. However, it is important to recognize that not doing chant, such as in the Franciscan Rite, is a valid tradition in the Church.
 
jwinch2 said:
I happen to like sung prayers, etc. in Mass. However, it is important to recognize that not doing chant, such as in the Franciscan Rite, is a valid tradition in the Church.
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Franciscans do chant. They just donā€™t sing Gregorian Chant, but they do have a plainchant tradition nonetheless.
 
To YoungTradCath; NLM had a link to Altar cards sometime during the last two years. That company ahd Altar Cards for both Forms of the Mass. I remember looking at them but my focus is on the EF so I didnā€™t save the link. Perhaps NLM can help you locate the link.
 
TimothyH said:
Out of curiosity, Iā€™m interested to know why an OSB Monk is pastoring.

Benedictines are typically cloistered.

-Tim-
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The Benedictines have never been an enclosed community. They live in a papal enclosure, but they can go in and outā€¦ They donā€™t usually run parishes, but they do run colleges and high schools. However, in many places, because of a shortage of priests, those abbeys that have priests have been asked to lend a hand with local missions, chapels and sanctuaries etc.

You may be confusing the Benedictines with their offspring: Cistercians, Trappists and Camaldolese. They never leave their monasteries, not even for a sick call.

The Rule of St. Benedict insists on stability, silence and solitude. But it does not specify how that is to be achieved. Each of the Benedictine reforms took a different approach to this.
YoungTradCath said:
Franciscans do chant. They just donā€™t sing Gregorian Chant, but they do have a plainchant tradition nonetheless.
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Have you ever watched mass on EWTN? If so, thatā€™s the kind of chant that we use. Itā€™s very recto-tono. We do use a lot of music at our liturgies. The Canon, Gospel or Divine Office may never be chanted.
jwinch2 said:
In the Mass? I thought it was forbidden by St. Francisā€¦
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St. Francis banned Gregorian chant from the mass and St. Clare banned it from the Divine Office.

Both agreed that chant interfered with the horizontal dimension of worship. Fraternity was too important to sacrifice for the sake of chant. In monastic communities, those men or women who could not chant could not become choir monks or choir nuns. The result was two parallel communities in one house, usually the choir religious and the lay religious. The lay religious were the servants of the choir religious, which allowed the choir religious to spend more time in prayer.

Christ commanded Francis and Clare to form one family of equals. All the lines between lay and ordained, secular and religious, and men and women were to be avoided except in the celebration of the sacraments. The friars can be priests or not. The women can be sisters or nuns. The Franciscan can be secular or regular. All have the same status and the same place in the family.

To accommodate to the changes in the mass an ancient form of chant was adopted, which seems to have preceded Gregorian chant. Some believe that it comes from Judaism, because it sounds like that used by Jews in the synagogue. Iā€™m not sure about that.

After Vatican II, Pope Paul gave permission to some communities to experiment with Gregorian chant. The experiment never took hold. Very few houses use it, because Pope John Paul came around and commanded a return to the 13th century practices of collegiality and austerity in the liturgy. In 1990, Pope John sent back the constitutions and commanded that they take out everything that was adopted from Benedictines, Dominicans, Carmelites and other. Most communities have stripped down the constitutions to the very simple, but beautifully austere Franciscan form liturgy. Itā€™s a form of the Latin Rite, not a rite, unlike the Carmelite, Carthusian and Dominican rites.

The Bennies have many forms. There are over 25 Benedictine congregations. Some use Latin and some do not. Each missal is different. The abbot has the canonical authority to rewrite the missal and breviary according to culture, time and needs of the monks. St. Benedict gives a very detailed formula in the rule, but concludes by saying that the abbots can change it, if they see fit to do so. They donā€™t have a uniform form, unlike Franciscans who do have a common form for the EF and the OF.

With the Bennies, you can actually see the differences from one congregation to another, unlike the Franciscans. We donā€™t have differences other than language and music. Thatā€™s up to the local culture according to the wishes of St. Clare. People often forget Clare, Colette and Bonaventure. They were very influential in interpreting Francisā€™ wishes.

The Benedictines have much more flexibility, because they donā€™t have a central government. Each house is autonomous. Even in the congregations, their relationship is not juridical. Itā€™s fraternal. The abbots and priors function as do conferences of bishops. They agree on some things and differ on others. Itā€™s all part of stability. Because you belong to a specific house, you have no voice in what happens in another house.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
 
corsair said:
To YoungTradCath; NLM had a link to Altar cards sometime during the last two years. That company ahd Altar Cards for both Forms of the Mass. I remember looking at them but my focus is on the EF so I didnā€™t save the link. Perhaps NLM can help you locate the link.
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If OFs are being celebrated ad orientem and in Latin, I can see a need for altar cards.
 
JReducation said:
Have you ever watched mass on EWTN? If so, thatā€™s the kind of chant that we use. Itā€™s very recto-tono. We do use a lot of music at our liturgies. The Canon, Gospel or Divine Office may never be chanted.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
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Yes, I watch EWTN masses all the time. I actually like weekday mass to be like that, very plain and austere, somewhat like an EF Low Mass, so that when Sunday comes, you can go all out. EWTN friars do a very good job with the concept of progressive solemnity, something the average parish doesnā€™t do very well at all anymore; itā€™s either always plain, or always festive and spectacular, and neither case is good. Which is why I favor having ā€œlevelsā€ of mass like in the EF! So no one has to pick and choose what elements will be relegated to what celebrations, itā€™s all done for you in the missal and other books! So, good job, Franciscans. šŸ™‚
 
I happened to catch the Priest at the Basilica on the local Catholic radio station yesterday morning and he made a comment that a visting Catholic from a different parish told Father that the weekday Masses were more solemn than their own Sunday Mass.
 
Dale_M said:
Iā€™m not sure of the specifics of this situation, but historically in the US, bishops often leaned on the Benedictines to supply priests to staff parishes. Heck, the current archbishop of Dubuque (Iowa) is a Benedictine attached to a monastery in Missouri.

A quickie Google search shows that the pastor of the Basilica of St. John is, or was, the prior of St. Gabriel Benedictine Priory. And that the priory is located adjacent to the basilica. This might explain the staffing, but makes one wonder if the priory was established in its location for the purpose of maintaining the basilica.
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They (the Benedictines attached to the Basilica) also run a food pantry and sometimes emergency funds for electrical bills and stuff for persons in crisis.
 
garn9173 said:
I happened to catch the Priest at the Basilica on the local Catholic radio station yesterday morning and he made a comment that a visting Catholic from a different parish told Father that the weekday Masses were more solemn than their own Sunday Mass.
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My wife and I went to several weekday Masses there during Advent and Christmas. Wonderful liturgy.
 
larsenl1 said:
St. Anthonyā€™s Parish has Latin Mass every week Sunday mornings. It is the only church in Des Moines IA that offers Latin Mass on a regular basis. It is beautiful.
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We went there in December for a Latin Mass. Gorgeous Church.
 
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