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Anyone who doesn’t fear BOTH Hell and Purgatory is crazy and the fear of the Lord is not in him!
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hansard
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Realistically, nearly everyone must spend some time in purgatory. How many people would die in an absolute state of grace, i.e. not even having the smallest venial sin on their soul?
If you’d just been to confession and assumed you were OK with the almighty, you’d be guilty of the sin of self-righteousness, just before you stepped under the bus.
If you had just been to confession on your death-bed, and you had (in a moment of weakness) one tiny doubt about the existence of God, you’d be guilty of doubting the existence of God. (Actually, this would probably be a mortal sin, requiring you to undergo another confession on your death-bed. You might end up like Luther, going to confession after confession because you doubted the validity of the previous confession).
Admire a woman’s cleavage? Lust or impure thoughts. Back to confession.
Fail to help the poor? Selfishness, and a direct violation of Jesus’s edict (Matt 5.42).
See how hard (almost impossible) it is? There are many more occasions of venial sin that you could list here.
I wonder if anyone has ever died in a state of perfect grace, requiring not even the briefest session in purgatory.
When you go to a funeral, and the leaflet reads “Celebrating the Entry into Eternal Life of (whomever)”, you should really read “Celebrating the Fact that (whomever) is Most Likely Enduring Purgatory, is Hopefully Not in Hell, is Probably Not Yet in Heaven, but is, Nonetheless, Entering an Eternal Life of Some Kind.”
But that would just upset the grieving relatives.
Why can’t people just be honest and recognize the frailty inherent in everyone, instead of presenting sanitized, feel-good nonsense?
If you’d just been to confession and assumed you were OK with the almighty, you’d be guilty of the sin of self-righteousness, just before you stepped under the bus.
If you had just been to confession on your death-bed, and you had (in a moment of weakness) one tiny doubt about the existence of God, you’d be guilty of doubting the existence of God. (Actually, this would probably be a mortal sin, requiring you to undergo another confession on your death-bed. You might end up like Luther, going to confession after confession because you doubted the validity of the previous confession).
Admire a woman’s cleavage? Lust or impure thoughts. Back to confession.
Fail to help the poor? Selfishness, and a direct violation of Jesus’s edict (Matt 5.42).
See how hard (almost impossible) it is? There are many more occasions of venial sin that you could list here.
I wonder if anyone has ever died in a state of perfect grace, requiring not even the briefest session in purgatory.
When you go to a funeral, and the leaflet reads “Celebrating the Entry into Eternal Life of (whomever)”, you should really read “Celebrating the Fact that (whomever) is Most Likely Enduring Purgatory, is Hopefully Not in Hell, is Probably Not Yet in Heaven, but is, Nonetheless, Entering an Eternal Life of Some Kind.”
But that would just upset the grieving relatives.
Why can’t people just be honest and recognize the frailty inherent in everyone, instead of presenting sanitized, feel-good nonsense?
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COPLAND_3
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As I read the OP of this thread again, it brings to mind that I fear hell, which leads me to confession regularly. Purgatory scares me but also leaves me with hope. If some Catholics don’t fear hell because of Purgatory then they need to read up on what the Church teaches on the subject. For those who do understand their faith, and they are persistant when it comes to dealing with their mortal sin by practicing discipline and avaoiding mortal sin and then going to confession when they stumble, those Catholics have less to worry about hell then those who are reckless with their faith.
As a former Southern Baptist, I am here to say that there are many who believe in the once saved always saved, and they have no fear of hell for themselveds but for only those who are lost according to their doctrine. The greatest fear I had as a Southern Baptist was ruining my reputation as a Christian by sinning badly.
As a former Southern Baptist, I am here to say that there are many who believe in the once saved always saved, and they have no fear of hell for themselveds but for only those who are lost according to their doctrine. The greatest fear I had as a Southern Baptist was ruining my reputation as a Christian by sinning badly.
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GEddie
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Because in a death situation, everybody is already at their limit, and browbeating them with frightening theology would be mean?Realistically, nearly everyone must spend some time in purgatory. How many people would die in an absolute state of grace, i.e. not even having the smallest venial sin on their soul?
If you’d just been to confession and assumed you were OK with the almighty, you’d be guilty of the sin of self-righteousness, just before you stepped under the bus.
If you had just been to confession on your death-bed, and you had (in a moment of weakness) one tiny doubt about the existence of God, you’d be guilty of doubting the existence of God. (Actually, this would probably be a mortal sin, requiring you to undergo another confession on your death-bed. You might end up like Luther, going to confession after confession because you doubted the validity of the previous confession).
Admire a woman’s cleavage? Lust or impure thoughts. Back to confession.
Fail to help the poor? Selfishness, and a direct violation of Jesus’s edict (Matt 5.42).
See how hard (almost impossible) it is? There are many more occasions of venial sin that you could list here.
I wonder if anyone has ever died in a state of perfect grace, requiring not even the briefest session in purgatory.
When you go to a funeral, and the leaflet reads “Celebrating the Entry into Eternal Life of (whomever)”, you should really read “Celebrating the Fact that (whomever) is Most Likely Enduring Purgatory, is Hopefully Not in Hell, is Probably Not Yet in Heaven, but is, Nonetheless, Entering an Eternal Life of Some Kind.”
But that would just upset the grieving relatives.
Why can’t people just be honest and recognize the frailty inherent in everyone, instead of presenting sanitized, feel-good nonsense?
This reminds me of an alleged childhood journal entry:
“My kid brother asked me what happens when we die. I told him we are put in the ground and worms eat our bodies. I should have told him the truth, that most of us will go to Hell and burn forever, but I did not want to scare him.”
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