Becoming a god

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Robert_Joseph60 said:
Hello, but you’re CCC 460 says “make men gods”

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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Got that? We share in His divinity…we do not have divinity on our own.

The first pope stated it this way under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit:

His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that** through them you may participate in the divine nature**, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

That’s solid Catholic theology right there! 👍
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
Hello Novacastrian, you’re CCC 460 very clearly says man can become a god, do you reject you’re CCC

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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(1) I’m not a Roman Catholic, so while I think that the CCC is on the whole an admirable expression of Christian doctrine, I am not bound to its exact wording, etc.

(2) I assume you meant “your”.

(3) The idea of man becoming ‘god’ is not understood in the sense of becoming deities, but in sharing the love of God by grace. It is based upon 2 Peter 1.4. Salvation is not simply the forgiveness of sins, but also the promise of eternal life in perfect, blessed communion with God, in whose image and likeness we were created, and whose holiness and glory the elect shall reflect at The End. As the moon reflects the light of the Sun, so shall we glory in the righteousness and holiness of God.
 
SteveVH said:
The operative words are "to make us sharers in his divinity".
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If everybody changed what the CCC says you would have mass confusion, it clearly says “make men gods”

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
Hello, but you’re CCC 460 says “make men gods”

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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Yes it does (and sadly, many Catholics in the Western world are not aware of the doctrine of deification, at least as compared to Eastern Catholics and Orthodox). However, there are fundamental differences in how Catholics and Latter-day Saints understand the nature of God, the nature of man, and what it means to be “gods”, as has already been demonstrated in this thread.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
If everybody changed what the CCC says you would have mass confusion, it clearly says “make men gods”

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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For goodness’s sake, read the second part of the sentence you are quoting. “Wanting to make us sharers in his divinity.” It’s right there!
 
VanSensei said:
Neither Catholics nor Mormons are working to become a “God” of any kind.
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Do you reject you’re CCC, it clearly says man can become a god.

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

I see in scripture that it is biblical to say Christians are partakers of the Divine nature, but it is not scriptural to say man can become a god, you’re ccc 460 is contrary to scripture.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
Hello Judas, I have not taken it out of contex, the CCC 460 out of contex, it very clearly says man can become a god.

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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When you say that “it very clearly says man can become a god”, you are taking it out
of context, ignoring what it was supposed to mean, and clearly you believe that Peter
believed men can become Gods.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
Catholics, and other traditional Christians, believe that there is a chasm between man and God. This could be seen as a “species” difference: God is God, man is man, and we are not of the same nature. Man, body and soul/spirit, is created by God.

In contrast, LDS believe in two different beliefs: all men and women are spirit children of the Father, begotten by Him and Heavenly Mother in the pre-mortal existence. Therefore, we are of the same species or of the same nature as God. since we are his literal spirit children. Secondly, there is an eternal core to all humans, the “intelligence”, that has always existed, was never created. So, while God did beget us as His spiritual offspring, He was essentially putting clothes on a core that always existed.
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Mormons believe that we are of the same nature or species as God, and therefore already possess a divine nature, and through Christ, we progress to Godhood. We progress to the same life that the Father lives. So, the subordination between the Father and us in traditional Christianity is one of nature, while in the LDS faith, it’s one of progression.
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Thank you for this, LivingWaters. It accurately reflects what I believe, and have been taught. So much more accurate than the “mormons believe you getta be a god on your own planet and have eternal sex with all your spirit wives and be worshipped by your children and God is not very important” nonsense that critics keep telling me I believe.
 
Novocastrian said:
Don’t be ridiculous. You know full well that that’s not what I mean. I explained quite clearly already.
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You’re CCC says both, it says Christians become partakers of the Divine nature and it also says men can become a god… You have no authority to change what it says, if everybody did that there would be mass confusion.

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
You’re CCC says both, it says Christians become partakers of the Divine nature and it also says men can become a god… You have no authority to change what it says, if everybody did that there would be mass confusion.

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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On the contrary, I have every authority to change it if it preaches anything other than the Gospel. And here, it is preaching the Gospel, in a way that has been preached since at least the fourth century AD. This teaching explicitly goes back to St. Athanasius of Alexandria, and he is interpreting 2 Peter 1.4. It is you that does not have the authority to tell the Church what she means. You are free to disagree, but you cannot twist what orthodox Christianity has always held to be true.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
You’re CCC says both, it says Christians become partakers of the Divine nature and it also says men can become a god… You have no authority to change what it says, if everybody did that there would be mass confusion.

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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May be we are taking this the wrong way.

Why don’t you start with this…offer us your understanding and explanation of what it means to be like god?

To you…what does the phrase mean…“might make men gods”?
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
You’re CCC says both, it says Christians become partakers of the Divine nature and it also says men can become a god… You have no authority to change what it says, if everybody did that there would be mass confusion.

CCC 460, The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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What do you think John 1.12 means?
 
Robert Joseph60, for being a biblicist, you are not aware of important scriptures from the Bible.

John 10

[31] The Jews then took up stones to stone him. [32] Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me? [33] The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods? [35] If he called them gods, to whom the word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken;

(quoting Psalm 82 where he calls men gods because they were to do the will of God)

That was an early indication that once filled with the Spirit of God we can be truly called gods. Not our own selfish gods, but possessing all things God has, except for being God. Mainly immortality.

You need to research the subject instead of sounding like a child saying the same thing over and over again.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
So you’re saying Roman Catholics are working towards becoming little gods.
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Robert-

We’ve already explained that this is NOT the case, but you persist in your disbelief.

Are you disappointed that you have lost something to hold against the Catholic Church?
 
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