Becoming a god

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Marie5890 said:
Do you believe that Robert is really that deeply interested in understanding the Catholic view that he is willing to authentically educate himself that deeply into the background of what St Athanasius’s meaning was?

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It may be just me, but I see the OP here with a very strong Mormon bias and agenda? 🙂
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No, his comments, such as the one I quoted there, seem to suggest he is happy to let the superficial meanings of words in colloquial English speak for the Catholic Church, rather than understanding there are deeper meanings.

Still, I’m not sure that is his fault. The modern Evangelical faith (“Bible Christians”) is very superficial, and for most doesn’t particularly allow for much contemplation on what things really mean (in spite of the Biblical instruction to meditate on the Word day and night).
 
Nine_Two said:
No, his comments, such as the one I quoted there, seem to suggest he is happy to let the superficial meanings of words in colloquial English speak for the Catholic Church, rather than understanding there are deeper meanings.

Still, I’m not sure that is his fault. The modern Evangelical faith (“Bible Christians”) is very superficial, and for most doesn’t particularly allow for much contemplation on what things really mean (in spite of the Biblical instruction to meditate on the Word day and night).
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Thanks for that. 🙂

I have never thought of that in that context. But then I do have a former LDS background so I grow a bit suspicious when people lump Catholics and Mormons in the same thought, though clearly they are radically different in all ways.
 
Robert Joseph60, can you please inform as to what a “Biblicist” is?

Thanks.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
Beat Catholics!:eek: I’m not the one who wrote CCC 460, you are not being logical.
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No one is claiming that there is anything wrong with CCC 460. What we are disagreeing with is your interpretation of it, as well as the implications you are making from it, which are clearly incorrect, and are not consistent with an authentic Catholic interpretation of its own doctrines. Your comments demonstrate that you do not understand what is meant by the words, and are ascribing your own erroneous interpretation that is not shared by Catholics.
 
Nine_Two;:
…St. Athanasius was talking about us taking the divine nature of God himself, though not literally becoming God. The classical example is a steel heated in fire before it is forged. The metal begins to take on the properties of the fire, becoming extremely hot and glowing (analogous to gaining the divine properties) while at its essence the steel remains steel. So it is for us, we glow with the Uncreated Light, but our essence remains distinct from the essence of God.
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Yes, but I think the Morman idea is a literal one…that we share God’s essence. This is an alien thought to Christianity. There is a God, and I am his creature.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
10:34–36 Quoted from Ps 82:6 where God calls some unjust judges “gods” and pronounces calamity against them. Jesus’ argument is that this psalm proves that the word “god” can be legitimately used to refer to others than God Himself. His reasoning is that if there are others whom God can address as “god” or “sons of the Most High,” why then should the Jews object to Jesus’ statement that He is “the Son of God” (v. 36)?

MacArthur, J. F., Jr. (2006). The MacArthur study Bible: New American Standard Bible. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.
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Where does the text state that the “gods” are judges?
 
Marie5890 said:
Steve,

This is the definition of a Biblicist apparently (I dont know if this is the definition that Robert is using? )

thefreedictionary.com/Biblicist

Bib·li·cist (bbl-sst)
n.
  1. An expert on the Bible.
  2. One who interprets the Bible literally.
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Yeah, I saw that. I was just curious as to what meaning he is ascribing. A self-proclaimed “expert” on the Bible is my guess.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
I see in scripture that it is biblical to say Christians are partakers of the Divine nature, but it is not scriptural to say man can become a god, you’re ccc 460 is contrary to scripture.
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What do you mean by “biblical”? Catholics, Orthodox, and Christians since the beginning have used the word “gods” to refer to this state of partaking of the Divine nature.
 
SteveVH said:
Yeah, I saw that. I was just curious as to what meaning he is ascribing. A self-proclaimed “expert” on the Bible is my guess.
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Yes, that could be.

We will let Robert declare what he means when he labels himself as a “Biblicist”

Perhaps he does describe himself as an expert on the Bible.

Robert, if you do see yourself as a Biblical expert, do you have extensive knowledge of ancient Greek and Hebrew?
 
Marie5890 said:
Yes, that could be.

We will let Robert declare what he means when he labels himself as a “Biblicist”

Perhaps he does describe himself as an expert on the Bible.

Robert, if you do see yourself as a Biblical expert, do you have extensive knowledge of ancient Greek and Hebrew?
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I was born from above in 1980, I have a good understanding of scripture, not a perfect understanding.

I don’t have any training in Greek and Hebrew, but I do have some great software tools to help me.

I’m just an average joe striving to be obedient to the following.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
SteveVH said:
Robert Joseph60, can you please inform as to what a “Biblicist” is?

Thanks.
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One who is obedient to the scripture below as he is led by the Holy Spirit.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
I was born from above in 1980, I have a good understanding of scripture, not a perfect understanding.

I don’t have any training in Greek and Hebrew, but I do have some great software tools to help me.

I’m just an average joe striving to be obedient to the following.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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So…by going to just a software…you are having a complete understanding of the Bible?
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
One who is obedient to the scripture below as he is led by the Holy Spirit.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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But how do you know it is actually the HS that is guiding your interpretations?

Where does the Bible instruct one who merely reads the Bible to know the truth? Or to determine the truth?
 
Robert-

Let me try again.

Now that you have read paragraph 460 of the CCC, what do you think about it?
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
I was born from above in 1980, I have a good understanding of scripture, not a perfect understanding.

I don’t have any training in Greek and Hebrew, but I do have some great software tools to help me.

I’m just an average joe striving to be obedient to the following.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Thanks. Its always nice to know where one sits before considering where they stand. Software tools are only a medium. Who is the source of your information by which you have arrived at your position? If it is just your opinion, you might want to read that part of Scripture that claims that it is the Church that is the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1Tim 3:15), not the Bible, nor any one individual or their opinion.
 
Robert_Joseph60 said:
One who is obedient to the scripture below as he is led by the Holy Spirit.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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So you go by the KJV translation, I see.

You do know that is not the most accurate translation of Sacred Scripture? Right?
 
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