Been a Muslim for 23 years, I would like to clear misconceptions you have

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Linusthe2nd said:
I think we understand Islam very well, its history is quite clear and so is what is going on throughout the whole world. The nature of every thing is determined by its actions. And the actions of Islam for 1,500 years tells us all we need to know.

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If that is the case how can you explain moments in history when Islam was a relatively peaceful force? Like for example, when Islam was spread in South-east Asia through trade and contact with merchants?
Jon_S said:
See Catholic Whovian,

This would never remotely be considered just under our just war doctrine
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Oh so it’s not like our just war doctrine. :confused:
 
CatholicWhovian said:
If that is the case how can you explain moments in history when Islam was a relatively peaceful force? Like for example, when Islam was spread in South-east Asia through trade and contact with merchants?
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Yes it’s true. Indonesia became Muslim via Dawah & conversions. Many people convert to Islam everyday for various reasons. The reason for violence is always complex.

There are many peaceful things in Islam. Including donating to charity & fasting for the poor in Ramadan. The 5 pillars of Islam are very positive.

Islam is a overwhelmingly peaceful religion, we just have some violence in some circumstances mostly in self defense.
 
Actually I heard that one million African Muslims are converted to Christianity every year. I also hear that there are many conversions in he Middle East.

Many good Muslims, because they are praying and fasting so much, Jesus is appearing to them and leading them away from Islam.

People should study the differences in Christian and Muslim eschatology, it will be an eye opening experience.

Did any of you know that St Francis wanted to go to the Middle East to convert Muslims?

I always found it suspect when the Koran said that Jesus did not die on the cross. One because how would they know? Here were no Muslims until 500 years later. Also, we know what the apostles taught about those who say Jesus did not die for our sins.

The Holy Spirit does no contradict himself. If the Koran was not guided by the Holy Spirit in its writings, then I wonder what spirit it was that guided Mohammed.
 
Jakubb, when you get a chance would tackle some of my questions (on post “#33”, I think)? Thanks!
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Jakubb said:
I like most that Islam is very thorough and covers all aspects of life.
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Will you give examples of all of those areas of life that Islam covers that from your experience other religions don’t cover?

And exactly how does Islam covers those?
 
Jakubb said:
Beheading is permitted in the Qur’an as is Crucifixion. It is only to be done in a war not otherwise.
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But the Catholic Church has never permitted crucifixion.
Even though there is this ritual here in the Philippines wherein people would literally crucify themselves during Holy Week, the Church here has never encouraged such a practice.

So maybe we could say that just because something is in a holy text doesn’t mean it should be permitted unless it explicitly says so?
 
Tomdstone said:
Was Beslan self-defense?
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This is the act of Chechna rebels I think? I do not think it is permissible in Islam to harm children. The very only way to find justification would be as ‘part of a target’ but this is almost indefensible what took place in Beslan
 
Jakubb said:
Beheading is permitted in the Qur’an as is Crucifixion. It is only to be done in a war not otherwise.
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Beheading and crucifixion seem to me to be very barbaric and painful. Many times, soldiers have no choice as they are forced to be in a nation’s army.They should not be the ones who are beheaded or crucified as they are forced by those on the top to do a lot of dirty work.
 
Jakubb said:
Islam is a overwhelmingly peaceful religion, we just have some violence in some circumstances mostly in self defense.
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Of course when I asked that question rhetorically I did not ignore the times in history when Islam was spread through actual force through empire and conquest, most especially in its early years in the Middle East.

Again we shouldn’t overgeneralize things.
 
Tomdstone said:
Beheading and crucifixion seem to me to be very barbaric and painful. Many times, soldiers have no choice as they are forced to be in a nation’s army.They should not be the ones who are beheaded or crucified as they are forced by those on the top to do a lot of dirty work.
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And yet, it appears that per our muslim friend, that not just soldiers, but anyone of the same nation/ethnic origin as the combatant force, can be killed.

So basically, kill one of us (muslims) and we can ethnically cleanse you until you become Muslim or are wiped from the earth,
 
Nektarios_Lady said:
Will you give examples of all of those areas of life that Islam covers that from your experience other religions don’t cover?

And exactly how does Islam covers those?
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Islam covers banking, dress, behavior, food, drink, political issues, marriage, relationships, jobs, how many prayers per day, who in the family has what responsibility and a lot lot more. It creates a very community bond. Every Muslim is really a brother or sister to one another.

Ramadan is very religious & stays religious as well. Also I like how Islamic women take pride in showing they are a Muslim by wearing Hijab and such.
 
Tomdstone said:
Beheading and crucifixion seem to me to be very barbaric and painful. Many times, soldiers have no choice as they are forced to be in a nation’s army.They should not be the ones who are beheaded or crucified as they are forced by those on the top to do a lot of dirty work.
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This is the word of Allah if you create mischief in Muslim lands this is the punishment in war, it is a very strong deterrent to be involved in war against the Muslim lands. I understand your point, but this is methods Allah revealed and it has many reasons.
 
CatholicWhovian said:
Of course when I asked that question rhetorically I did not ignore the times in history when Islam was spread through actual force through empire and conquest, most especially in its early years in the Middle East.

Again we shouldn’t overgeneralize things.
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Yes by force was often caliphates. This is complex caliphates. However yes caliphates can be spread by force but there are many connotations to a caliphate. The Ottoman empire was a caliphate but for many years Jews lived peacefully under the Ottoman empire.
 
Jon_S said:
And yet, it appears that per our muslim friend, that not just soldiers, but anyone of the same nation/ethnic origin as the combatant force, can be killed.
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And their brutal methods of killing noncombatants would seem to be in violation of the Geneva Convention.
 
Jakubb said:
Yes by force was often caliphates. This is complex caliphates. However yes caliphates can be spread by force but there are many connotations to a caliphate. The Ottoman empire was a caliphate but for many years Jews lived peacefully under the Ottoman empire.
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Living peacefully under a caliphate? ??? Have you heard of the Muslim practice of janissaries where the Turks kidnapped the first born Christian male child from their Serbian parents and forced him to become a soldier and fight against his own people?
 
Tomdstone said:
Living peacefully under a caliphate? ??? Have you heard of the Muslim practice of janissaries where the Turks kidnapped the first born Christian male child from their Serbian parents and forced him to become a soldier and fight against his own people?
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No, I have not heard this.
 
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