Been a Muslim for 23 years, I would like to clear misconceptions you have

[Jakubb]

What is that other way?

And do Muslims worship the same G-d as Jews?

It is Allah who revealed the gospel but it is not Allah who the people of the cross worship.

For Jews it is similar as Christians Allah revealed the Torah but it is not Allah who the Jews worship.

 

[Jakubb]

So Christians worship God as trinity, Father, Son and Holy spirit. Muslim’s worship entity who identifies with none of those names. How could it be possible in some way we worship the same God but in another way we don’t? They are two totally different beings.

Also at what time was the bible corrupted and how?

The God of Abraham is said to be one and we say it is Allah. In this sense it is the same.

For holy spirit or son no we do not recognize this. The holy trinity we reject. It does not make sense to us, I am very sorry.

 

[Jakubb]

So Christians worship God as trinity, Father, Son and Holy spirit. Muslim’s worship entity who identifies with none of those names. How could it be possible in some way we worship the same God but in another way we don’t? They are two totally different beings.

Also at what time was the bible corrupted and how?

To answer your question. To explain the interpolation is very complicate. But I believe for Catholicism and Christianity we think Paul and others changed the message of Jesus(pbuh)

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

The God of Abraham is said to be one and we say it is Allah. In this sense it is the same.

For holy spirit or son no we do not recognize this. The holy trinity we reject. It does not make sense to us, I am very sorry.

I know this and I am not offended. But would you say you don’t know if we worship the same God?

 

[Estevao]

To answer your question. To explain the interpolation is very complicate. But I believe for Catholicism and Christianity we think Paul and others changed the message of Jesus(pbuh)

Ok, but the Qur’an says this in Surah 5:45-46:

And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

quran.com/5

What does it mean to say to the people of the gospel to judge what has been revealed therein? Who is this spoken to and when is the time frame of this challenge?

 

[meltzerboy]

It is Allah who revealed the gospel but it is not Allah who the people of the cross worship.

For Jews it is similar as Christians Allah revealed the Torah but it is not Allah who the Jews worship.

Jews use the name HaShem rather than Allah (although certain middle eastern Jews, as well as Christians, might use the word Allah). But isn’t HaShem the same G-d as Allah except for the differences in certain details between the Torah and the Qur’an? And the dietary laws in Judaism and Islam are quite similar. Further, how do you square this answer with the one you provide in post #102, in which you speak of the G-d of Abraham in the same breath as Allah?

 

[Tomdstone]

In America? No.

If a Muslim converts to Christianity in Saudi Arabia will he be beheaded?

 

[TarkanAttila]

And their brutal methods of killing noncombatants would seem to be in violation of the Geneva Convention.

To the OP: Do Moslems consider secular, non-Moslem institutions to be authoritative or binding to them? I know within Catholicism a priest is bound to disobey the secular law if it tells him he has to reveal what he heard in a confessional. To what extent may a Moslem dissent from the laws of his nation?

Also, if anyone ever called you a Mohammedan, would you take offense? Why or why not?

Lastly - and I will make this my last question: Is it considered bad to make criticisms of Islamic doctrine? For example, Thomas Aquinas looked at objections to Christian doctrine, and actually tried to make a good case for these objections. (He, then, of course, went on to refute these objections.) Is that sort of criticism allowed in Islam?

 

[Efnouti_Nai_Nan]

Maybe this is not a sensitive question, I don’t mean it in any bad way, but I wonder for Jakubb (Yaqub?), why Islam focuses so much on the Arabs? I know that your Mohammed is an Arab and most Arabs are Muslims, but it is strange still. Our Lord Jesus Christ is Jewish, speaking Aramaic language, but our Christianity is not so focused on the Aramaic people except for the small number of Christians who speak this language still (Syrian). But in Egypt and in the other places where the Muslims came, they made the people speak Arabic and take Arab customs to get or keep jobs, and eventually the people lost their language, or had their culture taken and renamed “Arab” culture. This happened to the Coptic people in Egypt, and to other people who lost their countries to the Arab invaders. Why does Islam do this? I know some Christian churches (not Orthodox, and I also think not the Catholic) are like this, too, to encourage people to be more western they might teach them English or give them English names, but it is usually not about religion. But in Islam, it is about religion, right? You offer your prayers in the mosque in Arabic, and Quran in Arabic is better than Quran in another language. I have even met converts to Islam in America (not so many as you might think, but certainly there are more in Europe) who start to speak Arabic now even if they are not Arabs and nobody is forcing them like they forced us in Egypt, or in Syria, or in Lebanon, or other places. It is strange to me. I want to know why Islam is like this? Thank you.

 

[MartinJordan]

Can you give an example of a misconception you are talking about?

MJ

 

[dronald]

Sura 9 is mostly a war based sura that is for war. It applies during a wartime environment rather than for everyday Muslims to follow. The context is too lengthy to get into now but the sura was revealed when Muhammad(pbuh) was in battles.

Regardless, it is the last revealed Sura (or close to it) which says that Christians must be fought until they pay the Jizya. Allah’s word is eternal and for all mankind isn’t it? And if the context is only for war, please cite the earliest person to interpret this passage that way. Ibn Kathir has quite a mean interpretation of this passage.

Striking your wife yes it sounds bad for us. But in Islam the wife is empowered but she is obedient to her husband in some aspects…and this is what Allah wants of her. If she acts in a way that is not how she should be, lets say arguing all the time, refusing to listen, causing problems, becoming out of control…it is said to rebuke her, to stop sharing the same bed and if still the problem persists it is allowed to strike her, but it is also said not so hard that it leaves any visible mark.

Then a separation period should happen if the problem is not resolved, not to continue to strike or anything like this.

This is terrible; how can someone believe this? First you say people have misconceptions about women in Islam then you say it’s okay to strike her. This is an evil thing.

To answer your question. To explain the interpolation is very complicate. But I believe for Catholicism and Christianity we think Paul and others changed the message of Jesus(pbuh)

Please name the Disciples of Jesus that the Qur’an speaks of. I want actual names of them. What did they do? Did they have successors?

We know that John and Peter knew Polycarp and Ignatius, who also knew Irenaeus. All of these men including John and Peter founded Church’s for Jesus Christ; so did Mark and all of the Disciples.

So since we have historical proof that supports the Christian claim, please give me first century proof of the Islamic claims that the Disciples were Muslims and became dominant over the non-believers. What were their names?

 

[TypesAndShadows]

Striking your wife yes it sounds bad for us. But in Islam the wife is empowered but she is obedient to her husband in some aspects…and this is what Allah wants of her. If she acts in a way that is not how she should be, lets say arguing all the time, refusing to listen, causing problems, becoming out of control…it is said to rebuke her, to stop sharing the same bed and if still the problem persists it is allowed to strike her, but it is also said not so hard that it leaves any visible mark.

Then a separation period should happen if the problem is not resolved, not to continue to strike or anything.

Forgive the naive question: so, if a husband was acting in a bad way, contrary to how Allah says he should behave, what recourse does his wife have either to correct him, or protect herself? What if he is hurting her, or telling her to do wrong things: she surely doesn’t need to be obedient to him then? What if he is out of control? Refusing to listen? Causing problems?

Is she ‘empowered’ to rebuke him? To refuse to share his bed? To strike him? To separate from him, even if he doesn’t want her to? Or is she ‘empowered’ to shut up and suffer?

 

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[Linusthe2nd]

If that is the case how can you explain moments in history when Islam was a relatively peaceful force? Like for example, when Islam was spread in South-east Asia through trade and contact with merchants?

The fact that there are always some voluntary conversions to Islam does not change the general facts of history. But since you mentioned South - East Asia, just what countries are you talking about and just what period of history because, as far as I know, violent Jihad and Sharia are wide spread in South - East Asia as well. Do you want to talk about the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, East-Timor?

Linus2nd

 

[Jon_S_1]

I know this and I am not offended. But would you say you don’t know if we worship the same God?

I think he answered it perfectly in the same way catholics answer this question.

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

 

[jakasaki]

This is the word of Allah if you create mischief in Muslim lands this is the punishment in war, it is a very strong deterrent to be involved in war against the Muslim lands. I understand your point, but this is methods Allah revealed and it has many reasons.

This makes you question why didn’t Allah inform Muhammad** not to create mischief** in Yathrib & in Mecca…

Hmmmmm

 

[Jakubb]

I know this and I am not offended. But would you say you don’t know if we worship the same God?

Maybe, but it is not the word of Allah that you follow(we think)

Ok, but the Qur’an says this in Surah 5:45-46:

quran.com/5

What does it mean to say to the people of the gospel to judge what has been revealed therein? Who is this spoken to and when is the time frame of this challenge?

Yes this has been brought to my attention before. There is two explanations, one is that people will have been judged by how they righteously followed the gospel and the Torah before the Qur’an.

The other is that when Allah says therein he is referring to the Qur’an and the Christians and Jews will judge if they follow the Qur’an and if they do not then…they are disobedient to Allah.

This is how we interpret this Sura.

That Jesus(pbuh) was sent down by Allah…but the bible was corrupted many times over hundreds of years. Yes we believe Jesus was a Muslim

Jews use the name HaShem rather than Allah (although certain middle eastern Jews, as well as Christians, might use the word Allah). But isn’t HaShem the same G-d as Allah except for the differences in certain details between the Torah and the Qur’an? And the dietary laws in Judaism and Islam are quite similar. Further, how do you square this answer with the one you provide in post #102, in which you speak of the G-d of Abraham in the same breath as Allah?

Yes the God of Abraham is Allah that is what I mean. We believe in Adam & Eve as well.

If a Muslim converts to Christianity in Saudi Arabia will he be beheaded?

Under some interpretations of Shariah it could be possible, but no it wouldn’t happen in Saudi Arabia it would be very difficult to convert to Christianity there though.

To the OP: Do Moslems consider secular, non-Moslem institutions to be authoritative or binding to them? I know within Catholicism a priest is bound to disobey the secular law if it tells him he has to reveal what he heard in a confessional. To what extent may a Moslem dissent from the laws of his nation?

Also, if anyone ever called you a Mohammedan, would you take offense? Why or why not?

Lastly - and I will make this my last question: Is it considered bad to make criticisms of Islamic doctrine? For example, Thomas Aquinas looked at objections to Christian doctrine, and actually tried to make a good case for these objections. (He, then, of course, went on to refute these objections.) Is that sort of criticism allowed in Islam?

It is true many Muslims believe Islamic rules are above all and refuse to accept anything else no matter where they live. Yes Mohammedan is not the correct term because we are followers of Allah not Muhammad. Muhammad was the messenger of Allah.

Criticism of Islam is very difficult because it is blasphemy to question Allah. For non Muslims of course it is allowed but lots of Muslims do not like it. For Muslims no it will not happen.

 

[Adamski]

Robert spencer said Muslims will lie for thier faith to get you to believe is that true,

 

[Jakubb]

Maybe this is not a sensitive question, I don’t mean it in any bad way, but I wonder for Jakubb (Yaqub?), why Islam focuses so much on the Arabs? I know that your Mohammed is an Arab and most Arabs are Muslims, but it is strange still. Our Lord Jesus Christ is Jewish, speaking Aramaic language, but our Christianity is not so focused on the Aramaic people except for the small number of Christians who speak this language still (Syrian). But in Egypt and in the other places where the Muslims came, they made the people speak Arabic and take Arab customs to get or keep jobs, and eventually the people lost their language, or had their culture taken and renamed “Arab” culture. This happened to the Coptic people in Egypt, and to other people who lost their countries to the Arab invaders. Why does Islam do this? I know some Christian churches (not Orthodox, and I also think not the Catholic) are like this, too, to encourage people to be more western they might teach them English or give them English names, but it is usually not about religion. But in Islam, it is about religion, right? You offer your prayers in the mosque in Arabic, and Quran in Arabic is better than Quran in another language. I have even met converts to Islam in America (not so many as you might think, but certainly there are more in Europe) who start to speak Arabic now even if they are not Arabs and nobody is forcing them like they forced us in Egypt, or in Syria, or in Lebanon, or other places. It is strange to me. I want to know why Islam is like this? Thank you.

Hello. Yes Yaqub

Well the Qur’an is the perfect word of God. And it can only be read accurately in Arabic. Also it sounds beautiful and like poetry when recited in Arabic. So people want to become closer to Allah or Islam they learn Arabic.

To keep the Qur’an preserved and never changed it is said that we must keep the word of God how it was meant to be from the start and you can only do that in Arabic. Corruption of other texts came also through translations as well as interpolations. Yes there are English versions of the Qur’an but it is not the same. And in every mosque even in other countries they recite many Sura’s in Arabic.

I am not sure why they forced non Muslims in those countries, sorry.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Robert spencer said Muslims will lie for thier faith to get you to believe is that true,

And Mr. Spencer’s source for his claim? Yeah, the Islamic faith. Rather convenient for his argument that one of the few things Muslims apparently won’t lie about in order to defend their faith is that they can lie in order to defend their faith.