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KingAlfred
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Just out of curiosity – how long is the Baptist service? I always had the impression they last nearly half the day. Is that true? That alone would drive me away…fast and far.
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nicolep
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That’s so funny…when I was growing up Baptist that is what I thought about Catholics!Just out of curiosity – how long is the Baptist service? I always had the impression they last nearly half the day. Is that true? That alone would drive me away…fast and far.
In reality, they last between an hour and a half depending on the preacher.
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greentea07
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I certainly agree with myredeemerlives-
And just as an FYI, most people with spinal cord injuries are perfectly capable of consummating a marriage. I am a nurse and I work primarily with spinal cord injury patients, so I can say that with some certainty. In the recent case of a bishop’s refusal to grant the marriage of a paraplegic man and a woman in Italy, the man probably would have been able to married had he not been so completely honest. Canonical law gives the benefit of the doubt so to speak to someone who is unsure if they are impotent. So if the man had simply said he was unsure, maybe things would have turned out differently. But that’s not really the point. There is a chance that the man may not have been well-educated about his condition, and myabe he wasn’t able to afford medical treatment for his impotence, which would make the situation even more sad…maybe the Church refused to marry this couple pretty much because he didn’t have a lot of education or money. Although that’s not really the point. One article I read broke it down very well:
I definitely knew what to expect when I posted my question. What I didn’t expect were some of the more compassionate responses I received, and I appreciate them. I guess I just kind of needed some reinforcement about why I’ve been so much more spiritually fed by the Baptist church I’ve been going to.Firstly, I’d just like to say that posting on a catholic forum for advice about whether it’s good or bad to go to a baptist church is only going to get you one answer. Catholics believe that salvation is only in the Catholic church, but truly salvation is of the Lord.
And just as an FYI, most people with spinal cord injuries are perfectly capable of consummating a marriage. I am a nurse and I work primarily with spinal cord injury patients, so I can say that with some certainty. In the recent case of a bishop’s refusal to grant the marriage of a paraplegic man and a woman in Italy, the man probably would have been able to married had he not been so completely honest. Canonical law gives the benefit of the doubt so to speak to someone who is unsure if they are impotent. So if the man had simply said he was unsure, maybe things would have turned out differently. But that’s not really the point. There is a chance that the man may not have been well-educated about his condition, and myabe he wasn’t able to afford medical treatment for his impotence, which would make the situation even more sad…maybe the Church refused to marry this couple pretty much because he didn’t have a lot of education or money. Although that’s not really the point. One article I read broke it down very well:
As we all know with developments in modern medicine there is plenty of “rehabilitation” out there for those suffering from impotence. There is so much known about the medical treatment of impotence that it would almost be a tragedy for someone to think that they could never again have intimate relations after suffering a spinal cord injury.
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KingAlfred
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I think you should go where you feel most inspired. I know I could never become a Baptist because of my sharp disagreements with Protestant theology.
I had a co-worker once who kept trying to get me to attend her Presbyterian church. One day I told her I could never become a Calvinist. She asked, “What’s that?” I answered by explaining that the founders of Presbyterianism were hardcore Calvinists. When I told her I disagreed with the theology of John Calvin and John Knox, she asked, “Who are they?”
I had a co-worker once who kept trying to get me to attend her Presbyterian church. One day I told her I could never become a Calvinist. She asked, “What’s that?” I answered by explaining that the founders of Presbyterianism were hardcore Calvinists. When I told her I disagreed with the theology of John Calvin and John Knox, she asked, “Who are they?”
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DMann1746
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A lot of Protestants disagree with Calvin and Knox. Remember: Protestantism encompasses a variety of denominations which do not always agree on everything. What these denominations usually do agree on - at least in their authoritative books - is that salvation (i.e. justification) is found through faith in Christ alone, not through faithfully attending a denomination’s services or sacraments.I think you should go where you feel most inspired. I know I could never become a Baptist because of my sharp disagreements with Protestant theology.
I had a co-worker once who kept trying to get me to attend her Presbyterian church. One day I told her I could never become a Calvinist. She asked, “What’s that?” I answered by explaining that the founders of Presbyterianism were hardcore Calvinists. When I told her I disagreed with the theology of John Calvin and John Knox, she asked, “Who are they?”
In fact, if you read your Catechism, you would see that even Catholics believe that through baptism - which according to the Catechism is a demonstration of one’s faith in Christ - people are justified (see Catechism, Second Edition, Section 1, Chapter 3, Article 2, I, v. 2020). According to Catholic authoritative teachings, justification does not come through the Eucharist. Read your Catechism!
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jmcrae
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Presbyterianism isn’t one of them, though - in fact, if you go to an older Presbyterian church, you will see the motto “Paul, Calvin, Knox” inscribed at the top of the roodscreen behind the pulpit.
I think the point that King Alfred was making was that this woman had no idea of the history and teachings of her own church - yet, she was attempting to get him to convert to it.
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DMann1746
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I know that that was his point. I was just trying to clarify that Calvin and Knox are not representative of all Protestant teachings. I also wanted to stress what Protestants have in common and that Catholics - when you look at the Catechism - line up more with Protestants regarding justification than many people on this forum actually realize.
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jmcrae
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That’s true - they’re not. Where did anybody say that they were?
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kentuckyliz
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I don’t agree with Baptist theology but the hymns are easy and fun to sing and the fried chicken is tasty.
I certainly would never be a Southern Baptist–a denomination founded specifically in support of American racial slavery. That they only renounced over a century after the Emancipation Proclamation! Yiiii.
I certainly would never be a Southern Baptist–a denomination founded specifically in support of American racial slavery. That they only renounced over a century after the Emancipation Proclamation! Yiiii.
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saylo
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But where/which church has the actual, physical Christ in body, soul and divinity?
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Jimsdun
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but I loved the United Methodist Church I belonged to before I became Catholic, but I cant’ go back. Once Catholic, always Catholic.
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saylo
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The folks I have met in life who were once Catholic but left…ALL of them had restive souls. This is no exaggeration.
My guess you have found the “peace of Christ.”
Lucky you…lucky us!
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AveSantaMaria
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What is important in church is not how happy the church makes you but whether or not you are seeking the truth and whether you are growing as Christ-like as possible. The everlasting eternal kingdom full of many mansions and joy and celebration in heaven that comes from being Christ-like is much greater than any possible suffering on earth.
An example of the importance of worshiping Catholic comes from the Holocaust. When Hitler started forced sterilization of the mentally ill, ONLY the Catholic church strongly opposed it. Most German Protestant churches supported it, because the Catholic church is the one with the 100% pro-life policy
According to a Catholic document on the Jewish Virtual Library, Pope Pius XII gave Jews valid baptismal certificates so they could prove that they were Catholic and escape persecution for being Jewish, hid them in monasteries, convents, the Vatican City, even his summer residence, above the ceilings of churches. He secured passports from them from the Catholic Latin American countries, organized a rescue network that some say saved 860,000 people, among other things. Some Jews think that he should have done more because he had more power. Other Jews thanked him. For example, the Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked him, and the Chief Rabbi of Rome converted from Judaism to Catholicism and named himself Eugenio (Pope Pius XII’s birth name). jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/piustoc.html St. Francis of Assisi once said, “Preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words.” So the world-wide unity and central structure of the Catholic church is important to helping others.
Martin Luther’s work: “On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543” influenced Hitler, which is one reason why the Jews blame anti-semitism in Christianity for Nazism. In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a “base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.”[13] They are full of the “devil’s feces … which they wallow in like swine.”[14] The synagogue was a “defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut …”[15] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[16] afforded no legal protection,[17] and these “poisonous envenomed worms” should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[18] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing “[w]e are at fault in not slaying them.”
-So one must be very careful about teachings of leaders in these other religions.
It is also important to learn about the Eucharist - which does not have the same meaning in different churches and to retain devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, mediatrix of all graces, mother of God, who makes the path to Christ easier for us and few other religions encourage her veneration. Remember about the Miracle of Fatima, witnessed by 70,000 people and written about in Newsweek and the New York Times. See the Secret of the Rosary or True Devotion to Mary by St. Louis De Montfort to learn more about the biblical and spiritual reasons why this devotion is so important and spiritually helpful.
It is devotion to Blessed Mother Mary that produced saints like St. Dominic and St. Padre Pio and St. Maximilian Maria. Even Mother Theresa honored Mary. St. Maximilian Kolbe was a Catholic saint devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary (he later renamed himself Maximilian Maria after her) who hid two thousand Jews in his friary and when taken to the Auschwitz Concentration camps offered to die in place of another person because that person had family and he did not. He was starved and dehydrated but he continued to lead the men in songs and prayer. After three weeks of dehydration and starvation, only Kolbe and three others were still alive. Finally he was murdered with an injection of carbolic acid. I got this from the Jewish Virtual Library: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Kolbe.html He did evangelize, creating a monthly magazine with a circulation of over one million and a newspaper of over 230,000, but isn’t staying alive after being starved and dehydrated for three weeks miracle? To be singing songs and encouraging people to have faith in God and Mary while in a concentration camp? To be called Righteous Among the Nations by a Jewish site? How many wonderful saints that our Catholic traditions produce?
Of course, God works wherever the name of Jesus Christ is spread. However, I thank you for seeking God’s wisdom by posting a message for the knowledgeable people who answered before me to address your concerns, and I encourage you to keep reading about the theological differences in different churches before making a decision.
An example of the importance of worshiping Catholic comes from the Holocaust. When Hitler started forced sterilization of the mentally ill, ONLY the Catholic church strongly opposed it. Most German Protestant churches supported it, because the Catholic church is the one with the 100% pro-life policy
According to a Catholic document on the Jewish Virtual Library, Pope Pius XII gave Jews valid baptismal certificates so they could prove that they were Catholic and escape persecution for being Jewish, hid them in monasteries, convents, the Vatican City, even his summer residence, above the ceilings of churches. He secured passports from them from the Catholic Latin American countries, organized a rescue network that some say saved 860,000 people, among other things. Some Jews think that he should have done more because he had more power. Other Jews thanked him. For example, the Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked him, and the Chief Rabbi of Rome converted from Judaism to Catholicism and named himself Eugenio (Pope Pius XII’s birth name). jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/piustoc.html St. Francis of Assisi once said, “Preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words.” So the world-wide unity and central structure of the Catholic church is important to helping others.
Martin Luther’s work: “On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543” influenced Hitler, which is one reason why the Jews blame anti-semitism in Christianity for Nazism. In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a “base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.”[13] They are full of the “devil’s feces … which they wallow in like swine.”[14] The synagogue was a “defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut …”[15] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[16] afforded no legal protection,[17] and these “poisonous envenomed worms” should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[18] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing “[w]e are at fault in not slaying them.”
-So one must be very careful about teachings of leaders in these other religions.
It is also important to learn about the Eucharist - which does not have the same meaning in different churches and to retain devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, mediatrix of all graces, mother of God, who makes the path to Christ easier for us and few other religions encourage her veneration. Remember about the Miracle of Fatima, witnessed by 70,000 people and written about in Newsweek and the New York Times. See the Secret of the Rosary or True Devotion to Mary by St. Louis De Montfort to learn more about the biblical and spiritual reasons why this devotion is so important and spiritually helpful.
It is devotion to Blessed Mother Mary that produced saints like St. Dominic and St. Padre Pio and St. Maximilian Maria. Even Mother Theresa honored Mary. St. Maximilian Kolbe was a Catholic saint devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary (he later renamed himself Maximilian Maria after her) who hid two thousand Jews in his friary and when taken to the Auschwitz Concentration camps offered to die in place of another person because that person had family and he did not. He was starved and dehydrated but he continued to lead the men in songs and prayer. After three weeks of dehydration and starvation, only Kolbe and three others were still alive. Finally he was murdered with an injection of carbolic acid. I got this from the Jewish Virtual Library: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Kolbe.html He did evangelize, creating a monthly magazine with a circulation of over one million and a newspaper of over 230,000, but isn’t staying alive after being starved and dehydrated for three weeks miracle? To be singing songs and encouraging people to have faith in God and Mary while in a concentration camp? To be called Righteous Among the Nations by a Jewish site? How many wonderful saints that our Catholic traditions produce?
Of course, God works wherever the name of Jesus Christ is spread. However, I thank you for seeking God’s wisdom by posting a message for the knowledgeable people who answered before me to address your concerns, and I encourage you to keep reading about the theological differences in different churches before making a decision.
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littleone
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I would like to ask you one question.
How much do you love God= Jesus, Holy Spirit, Our Father? Do you love the Trinity enough to be where They ask you to be, or just to offer Them what you want and say that that is enough?
I ask this because it is serious what you say. So, does God want what we offer to Him …or…for us to be obedient in giving Him all of us?
Godbless.
How much do you love God= Jesus, Holy Spirit, Our Father? Do you love the Trinity enough to be where They ask you to be, or just to offer Them what you want and say that that is enough?
I ask this because it is serious what you say. So, does God want what we offer to Him …or…for us to be obedient in giving Him all of us?
Godbless.
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latingirl
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Granted the Baptist Church is more lively and new, however I have seen problems, especially with those who call themselves Fundamental, Independent Baptists. No, you will never go to hell for accepting Christ as your savior- Baptists believe this also. Far as I can see, the only error is that many Baptists claim to follow the Bible to a tee. Yet they don’t believe in apostolic succession, which is outlined in the scriptures. They also don’t believe in the presence of Christ in the Last Supper. I am not trying to stereotype Baptists but you must make sure that are preaching the truth, close to the scriptures and in line with historical faith.
Also, If you are attending a church that says Catholics aren’t real Christians, you know you’re in trouble.
May the peace of the Lord be with you always.
Also, If you are attending a church that says Catholics aren’t real Christians, you know you’re in trouble.
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Pax Domini sit semper tecum,
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littleone
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***Hi in the past I have had very good friends in the Baptist church but I never knew the information you mention Thank you.
Godbless***
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latingirl
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I’m glad to have helped. I also have had alot of Baptist friends. One of my best friends from high school is one. Over the time of going to his church and others, I have learned alot of things. They have made me cling to my Catholic faith even more.
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