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My question is: Does praying to God change the outcome of anything?

It seems like God doesn’t answer prayers sometimes. For example, no matter how hard someone would pray for a person with cancer, they would still die. What’s the point of praying if bad things are going to happen?

It’s a question i’ve been struggling with. Hopefully someone can give me some insight into this issue. I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, hopefully joining the forums will help me grow in my faith.

Thanks everyone. God Bless.
 
Yes prayer changes the outcome of things. Can I prove this? No. Have I seen it in my own life? Yes.

Obviously there is a lot of faith involved.

There really is no easy answer to your question. Prayer is a very simple thing - yet complex to try to explain.

To me - understanding prayer and it’s potential begins with recognizing the need for a proper world view. For example - in your post you use the example of a cancer patient who dies in spite of prayers…yet - is he dead?
Jesus tells us in John 11 that:
25…“I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
So - if we believe this, then how can we believe that the person who dies of cancer (if they are a believer) is dead?

So to begin to understand about prayer one must begin to look at how they view the world, how they view God and their relationship with God, and how prayer should be used.

There is so much more…But it’s difficult to write down.

Peace
James
 
Your question is one that many of us ask throughout our lives, sometimes more than others. As I have grown older I have come to realize that many times God does answer our prayers we just don’t realize it, sometimes He doesn’t in the timing or way we ask but our lives are still on a path of His choosing. You mention praying for someone with cancer who still suffers and dies, I simply don’t know how to respond and yet I know that person has gone on to their eternal life and truly is in a better place. So did God not answer your prayers or did He choose to deliver that person from their suffering and take them to His home? The people left behind are heartbroken but the person who has gone on is certainly in a better place. Over the years I have found the stories of the saints who persevered through their difficult lives by praying to God and eventually had their prayers answered as inspiration to continue to let God be the leader in my life. Read some of their stories and see if that doesn’t change your mind, to me it has become a question of patience and faith.
 
Simple answer… God gives you what you need, not what you want…
Second point… If god stopped wars, and no one suffered from cancer …
No one was harmed physically ,spiritually ,or emotionally …
Then what kind of world would this be ?
 
My question is: Does praying to God change the outcome of anything?

It seems like God doesn’t answer prayers sometimes. For example, no matter how hard someone would pray for a person with cancer, they would still die. What’s the point of praying if bad things are going to happen?

It’s a question i’ve been struggling with. Hopefully someone can give me some insight into this issue. I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, hopefully joining the forums will help me grow in my faith.

Thanks everyone. God Bless.
Just because prayer doesn’t always end with us getting the outcome we desire doesn’t mean that it NEVER does–or doesn’t eventually, if we keep on praying and asking–knocking at that door another words! I could give you multiple examples of answered prayers in my own life personally and in the lives of people I know. I can also give you examples of times prayers weren’t answered–at least in the exact way I asked for them to be. Does this mean it’s all just a chance–that if we pray and get what we wanted that it was always going to turn out that way anyway, and conversely that if it doesn’t happen it never would have anyway? I don’t think anyone can prove that prayers are answered—that’s a part of what faith is all about. I do believe in answered prayers in my life though. Sometimes there is just no other way for me to explain something! 👍
 
When I am asked to pray for someone who has cancer, or a terminal disease I pray that if it is the Lord’s will that they be healed then so be it. However, if it is that person’s time to get ready to go before the Lord, and if he/she needs to to make their peace with God, then they should do so. I also pray for the peace of Christ through their time of suffering.
 
Simple answer… God gives you what you need, not what you want…
Second point… If god stopped wars, and no one suffered from cancer …
No one was harmed physically ,spiritually ,or emotionally …
Then what kind of world would this be ?
Heaven???:rolleyes:
 
Heaven isn’t too far awaaaayyyy,
Closer to it every daaaaayyyy…

Sorry, I just have an awesome tune in my head now.

In all seriousness, allow me to ride off this thread for my own question, if I so may (not that I want to derail the thread, just asking this on the side).

One thing Christians who have tried helping me with my agnosticism, skepticism and subsequent existential problems, is telling me to pray because God will be happy to hear from me. I’ve always thought, “hey, I’ve got nothing to lose, Pascal’s Wager, etc, etc”. I have not yet felt like God has responded, even though if God is benevolent and omnipotent, as evidenced in Abrahamic faith, He would want to help me find the right path (the bible itself mentions God’s wanting for all humans to believe). God could exist, and he could be a non-deistic, non-pantheistic, monotheistic personal God like the one in the bible or in the Qur’an (even the Vedas/Upanishads or Avesta… yes, Hinduism at its core is monotheistic), but as far as I’m concerned, he’s not listening to me.

Anyway, all this to say that this discussion comes to halt for me when I think about my openness to religion, as well as all the people in the world who pray for nonbelievers to convert, combined with my general philosophical skepticism that won’t budge and in some cases only gets worse with self-education on religion, even on Christianity alone. I’m willing to accept the truth if I have reason to, but some religions have more enticing ideas, both from a theological and ethical standpoint (karma being one of them), and Christianity has enticing ideas that many if not most other religions don’t have (an omnibenevolent, omnipotent creator being one of them). Even then, Christianity is a vast religion in itself with all its congregations (Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists…) and theologies (just look at Protestantism alone), and let’s not get started on non-mainstream branches.

That said, if there are so many people praying for me to convert, and I would love to convert if I knew Christianity was correct (as with literally any other religion if it were correct), why is it that I only become increasingly confused about reality, religion, ethics, existentialism, and general knowledge?
 
My question is: Does praying to God change the outcome of anything?

It seems like God doesn’t answer prayers sometimes. For example, no matter how hard someone would pray for a person with cancer, they would still die. What’s the point of praying if bad things are going to happen?

It’s a question i’ve been struggling with. Hopefully someone can give me some insight into this issue. I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, hopefully joining the forums will help me grow in my faith.

Thanks everyone. God Bless.
Does praying to God change the outcome of ANYTHING? Yes, absolutely!

Your question is obviously about prayer, but it is also about more than prayer. Your question is also about the HOW. HOW do we experience God in our lives.

I believe your perspective reflects a very distant God. I feel that the God that you are praying to is very busy and is off doing other things or just isn’t paying attention since whatever your problem is at the time doesn’t interest him. I make up that you are kinda wanting this distant God to figure it out and travel long distances in an instant to suddenly splash on the scene with a terrific SURPRISE!! I’VE GOT THIS PROBLEM COVERED THANKS FOR GIVING ME A HEADS UP!!

However we are taught that God is with us always and he knows us intimately and he wants us to know that we are always in his presence and that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Our prayers enable us to communicate with God and reflect on his presence in our lives. By doing this we learn what God’s Will is for us. Slowly we learn to turn our lives over to the care of God. Jesus reflects this by his sacrifice on the cross and his sacrifice to his heavenly father that his will be done. Wasn’t crucifixion a “bad thing” but yet Jesus followed his father’s will.

We are imperfect beings trying, by prayer, to be in relationship with God, whose perfection cannot be grasped by us, nor can we come close to envisioning what God’s love for us truly means.

I suggest that you buy a daily prayer meditation, Jesus Calling would be a great one to start with.

Peace, TW
 
My question is: Does praying to God change the outcome of anything?

It seems like God doesn’t answer prayers sometimes. For example, no matter how hard someone would pray for a person with cancer, they would still die. What’s the point of praying if bad things are going to happen?

It’s a question i’ve been struggling with. Hopefully someone can give me some insight into this issue. I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, hopefully joining the forums will help me grow in my faith.

Thanks everyone. God Bless.
Assuming the prayers are made in earnest and for the right reasons (as opposed to begging for a pony for Christmas kind of thing or that my noisy neighbor drop dead 😉), God answers our prayers in three ways:
  1. Yes.
  2. No.
  3. Not yet.
In the case of the person who had cancer for whom people were praying for physical healing, the answer was apparently, no. Not because God doesn’t love that person or his family, but because that was what was best for that person. We cannot understand why in our finite limitations, but it was best for reasons known to God alone. We also have to remember that God has never promised we will not die nor that we will live a certain period of time. We don’t know when or how we shall die, but die we will by one means or another. And while we grieve, we should also know that our loved one is in God’s hands, and if in heaven, is praying for us, and that heaven is our ultimate goal, not everlasting life in our present state of life.

@ HardRockGTR. Each of us is on his own journey to God, so no one can determine at what point you ought to be at any one point in your life. Don’t despair. God knows your struggle. But also, we need to ask the right questions of religion or we come to the wrong conclusions. We cannot treat it like any other study because it is more than facts and figures that determines who has God’s authentic word. It cannot be measured in a test tube. 🙂 It’s a matter of asking the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth and then being truly open as you seek. This means divesting ourselves of our own opinions and wants and seeking what is true and best, even if it is hard to understand or accept. Anyway, God definitely hears the prayers of those who have your good in mind. You’re not at the point in which you can discern what is true, but with prayer and a good will, you will come to it in God’s good time.
 
My question is: Does praying to God change the outcome of anything?

It seems like God doesn’t answer prayers sometimes. For example, no matter how hard someone would pray for a person with cancer, they would still die. What’s the point of praying if bad things are going to happen?

It’s a question i’ve been struggling with. Hopefully someone can give me some insight into this issue. I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, hopefully joining the forums will help me grow in my faith.

Thanks everyone. God Bless.
Prayer totally changes the outcome of everything.

God always answers prayers.

No matter how hard we pray we will all die. That is the nature of our being in this world.

The point of praying is to commune with God. This may seem a very out-there thing to say, but this is the only thing that matters in existence.

Suffering will not be satisfied by replies of random people on the Internet. It demands a real answer. Imagine the worst thing that could happen; you lose a child. What possible answer is going to console you? When you are at your personal Gethsamene, as we all will be, words will make a difference? I don’t think so.
Suffering reaches into the depth of our foundations as human beings. The Catholic Church has the explanation for it and the answer.
We are here because of a brokenness in our relationship with God. We will suffer and die, but we live in the Hope of our resurrection in the presence of our Lord.

What are the alternatives?
Secular society can only offer what is trasnsient and/or distractions, not to mention abortion and euthanasia.
You can seek Nirvana, but many fewer pass through that gate than that of Christ.
The Church offers The Way, Christ Himself.

I don’t know if this makes sense. I would suggest praying more and attending the sacraments. That should bring you closer to what you are seeking.
 
Prayer changes you.

And changing you changes the outcome.

Example from my own life: Over three years ago my marriage began to fall apart, my wife had “fallen out of love” and was considering leaving. I began to pray fervently that God would heal my marriage, keep her from leaving, etc., etc.

It’s over three years later and our divorce will be finalized next month. She was never willing to even try working on our marriage, quickly moving from thinking about not being married, to infidelity, to moving out…

But, three years ago, I saw separation and divorce as being an end of love in my life, a loss of support and caring and family. Through my prayer I came to realize that what I wanted, no human being can ever provide to me, unless God wills it and the person He wishes to work through wills it too. But, also, that God does not need to work through another person, or He does not need to work through a spouse. He can work through children, priests, parents, friends, etc… Or He can work directly in you.

And, in allowing me to suffer and feel isolated, alone, unloved, He was able to show me that He experienced that and more on the cross. And He did that for me. What I was praying for was just answers to superficial, human desires rooted in my true longing and need for God’s love. And His love was always there.

My prayer changed the outcome, because I thought separation and divorce would be the end of happiness and joy. Prayer changed me so instead the outcome of this is that I am happy and joyful knowing that God loves me more than I can possibly imagine. He experienced worse and He was perfect and sinless and the creator of all things.

Sometimes God answers prayers in miraculous ways, ways intended to strengthen our faith or to win converts. But always, He answers our prayers with what we absolutely need. What He knows is the best thing to lead us to Him in Heaven. And sometimes, the answer must be “No” or it is to gradually effect change in us, to bring us to better know and understand Him.

Keep praying for the things you want and desire, but also ask God to give you what you most need and help you to understand His plan for you. Don’t spend all your time telling God what you want, or praising Him for all He has given you. Like any relationship, when you talk to Him, stop and listen to Him too. He will speak to you if you give Him the chance.
 
Does praying to God change the outcome of ANYTHING? Yes, absolutely!

Your question is obviously about prayer, but it is also about more than prayer. Your question is also about the HOW. HOW do we experience God in our lives.

I believe your perspective reflects a very distant God. I feel that the God that you are praying to is very busy and is off doing other things or just isn’t paying attention since whatever your problem is at the time doesn’t interest him. I make up that you are kinda wanting this distant God to figure it out and travel long distances in an instant to suddenly splash on the scene with a terrific SURPRISE!! I’VE GOT THIS PROBLEM COVERED THANKS FOR GIVING ME A HEADS UP!!

However we are taught that God is with us always and he knows us intimately and he wants us to know that we are always in his presence and that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Our prayers enable us to communicate with God and reflect on his presence in our lives. By doing this we learn what God’s Will is for us. Slowly we learn to turn our lives over to the care of God. Jesus reflects this by his sacrifice on the cross and his sacrifice to his heavenly father that his will be done. Wasn’t crucifixion a “bad thing” but yet Jesus followed his father’s will.

We are imperfect beings trying, by prayer, to be in relationship with God, whose perfection cannot be grasped by us, nor can we come close to envisioning what God’s love for us truly means.

I suggest that you buy a daily prayer meditation, Jesus Calling would be a great one to start with.

Peace, TW
You are absolutely right. I don’t know how we experience God. I almost have a deistic view of God. I’m just trying to figure out what the place of God is on our daily lives.

I don’t know if i’ve felt God in my personal life. I want to know that feeling. I pray every night, but I just don’t feel that connection that people speak of.

I dont know if that makes sense. I’m just confused.
 
You are absolutely right. I don’t know how we experience God. I almost have a deistic view of God. I’m just trying to figure out what the place of God is on our daily lives.

I don’t know if i’ve felt God in my personal life. I want to know that feeling. I pray every night, but I just don’t feel that connection that people speak of.

I dont know if that makes sense. I’m just confused.
Well, our faith isn’t dependent on our feelings, thanks be! The Catholic faith isn’t felt, it’s practiced. Sure, we may feel something, but it’s not necessary, so don’t think you need to feel anything.

The best way to be part of the Church is to pray with the Church. The daily prayer life of the Church is called The Liturgy of the Hours. It is praying the Psalms, the Gospel, reading a short Reading, Intercessions and Hymns. It only takes about 10 minutes to pray, and it’s online, so you don’t need to buy any books, if you don’t want to: divineoffice.org/. Start out doing Morning and Evening Prayer and see if it doesn’t make a difference in your life. It grounded me in my prayer life and opened up my understanding of my place in the life of the Church. We are all in this together, you know. There’s no need for you to go it alone or fumble for words when the Church has this wonderful tool for us to use. 🙂 Just after praying the Our Father, you can mention your own intentions and talk to God. If you listen in silent expectation he will speak to you–within your soul, if not within your mind, but in time you will hear his voice because you will have placed yourself before him, waiting for him to do what he wants to do to communicate with you.
 
You are absolutely right. I don’t know how we experience God. I almost have a deistic view of God. I’m just trying to figure out what the place of God is on our daily lives.

I don’t know if i’ve felt God in my personal life. I want to know that feeling. I pray every night, but I just don’t feel that connection that people speak of.

I dont know if that makes sense. I’m just confused.
Bobby,
For myself I find that I experience God most during times of trial.
Like most of us, when things are going well I would take things for granted - including God.
But when things are not going well…I’d find myself turning to Him in prayer, and as you point out above…God can seem distant.

But I’ve discovered that it wasn’t because God had moved away - but rather that I had.
The more I realized this, and the more I made God a part of my daily life…Not just in formal prayer time, or weekly mass - but in just talking with him or sitting quiet - driving in the car or whatever…the more I thought about God and talked with him, the more He revealed to me.
Not any great earth shattering things - but just little bits of self knowledge and guidance and strength…all the little graces that can be overlooked, but are so helpful.

God is very near, but we need to be properly disposed to hear Him. Mostly this means to be quiet in spirit. Not letting things get to us. Turning off unnecessary noise. cultivating a peaceful and loving disposition and a willingness to accept God’s Will in all things.

In this way you will find God moving very near indeed.

Peace
James
 
You are absolutely right. I don’t know how we experience God. I almost have a deistic view of God. I’m just trying to figure out what the place of God is on our daily lives.

I don’t know if i’ve felt God in my personal life. I want to know that feeling. I pray every night, but I just don’t feel that connection that people speak of.

I dont know if that makes sense. I’m just confused.
I can truly relate to what you are sharing. I too struggled with a lack of an encounter with God until about 5 years ago when I was 42. I had often listened with awe at how other people felt such a powerful presence of God or had experienced his loving presence in their lives. In fact, my wife, a few years into our marriage, had a conversion experience while sitting right next to me while we were in church! While I was very happy for her and could visibly see how touched she was by an immediate need to become Catholic, I also felt left out and anxious that nothing like that had ever happened to me, (and I truly felt that I needed something like that since I was struggling with a addiction at the time.)

I did have a truly blessed encounter with God during a period of extreme anxiety and to this day I try to honor the answer to a prayer that God gave me. I also grew in my spirituality, although such growth has not been constant through the years, I have felt and and extremely grateful to God for bringing me through many challenges in peaceful ways that I never would have thought possible.

Since you are new to CAF you might be able to use this forum to enrich your spiritual life and grow in your relationship with God. Again I highly recommend the book, “Jesus Calling” as a lovely way to start your day connecting to God. Likely you will seek other prayers and meditations to reconnect with God at other times throughout the day.

Peace!
 
@ HardRockGTR. Each of us is on his own journey to God, so no one can determine at what point you ought to be at any one point in your life. Don’t despair. God knows your struggle. But also, we need to ask the right questions of religion or we come to the wrong conclusions. We cannot treat it like any other study because it is more than facts and figures that determines who has God’s authentic word. It cannot be measured in a test tube. 🙂 It’s a matter of asking the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth and then being truly open as you seek. This means divesting ourselves of our own opinions and wants and seeking what is true and best, even if it is hard to understand or accept. Anyway, God definitely hears the prayers of those who have your good in mind. You’re not at the point in which you can discern what is true, but with prayer and a good will, you will come to it in God’s good time.
I absolutely agree on not studying religion or philosophy in a test tube like so many people try to do. I am strongly opposed to scientism (using science to determine all truths about reality and unreality alike) but I still have, presumably, a God-given sense of skepticism, which, for a Christian, can be a good thing. Skepticism is sometimes what prevents people from falling into temptation, or a Christian from accepting a different, “false” faith.

The thing is, I don’t have any particular faith, but I’m very open to religion in general. I have, in the past, logically and rationally come to the conclusion that, assuming God is an existing entity, is personal, all-powerful and all-benevolent, combined with my openness and willing to know “the truth” (which to mainstream Christians is fundamental), will eventually “allow” me to find the truth in due time. The possibilities are the following:

1 - God is as described; I shall find the true religion eventually (which, from your point of view is Christianity, of course).

2 - God isn’t as described; either nonexistent, non-omnipotent (something I’d be skeptical about) and/or non-benevolent (not necessarily evil, but neutral or deistic; this is more something that challenges my understanding of God because it’s a quality that is taken for granted in theology). I may or may not find the true religion, if there is one, but God wouldn’t have helped me directly.

3 - Omnipotence does not mean that I can be directly helped; for the same reasons God cannot create a square circle or a mountain so heavy that not even He can lift it, it would be contradictory, for one reason or another, for God to help me directly, in that way.

4 - We just don’t understand “God”; we might as well not even try to understand God. As a matter of fact, we probably shouldn’t use the term “God” in its hazy definition as it suggests an anthropomorphic, personal, monotheistic (and for some reason, here in the west, Christian) deity, rather than “whatever is out there”. With time, I’ve floated towards this quite a bit, because we are mortal, thus finite, and God, in the case of the Christian God, is transcendental and immanent at once, thus infinite. It would therefore mean that we cannot “fit” God in our heads, even when having the Beatific Vision itself.

Above all, this just means that until I “know” the truth (note the quotes), I can’t really be found guilty of any crime that wasn’t something I did consciously (I know murder, in a loose sense of the term, is most likely immoral in 99.99% of cases, regardless of my agnosticism and skepticism combined). My only gripe with this concept is that it feels borderline rather irresponsible, “waiting” for a “reason” to “behave”.

All in all, thanks for the reply 🙂
It’s over three years later and our** divorce** will be finalized next month.
Hang on, hold the phone.

This is a Catholic marriage? :confused:

Also, I feel your pain. I’m sorry for what happened (at least, before the optimism you found in God). I once had a friend I loved and cherished dearly. The very last person in a 1,000,000 light-year radius that I wanted to lose. Not a single time taken for granted. One day, literally overnight, she flipped and completely changed into a different person I no longer recognized, without warning. Just one day, bang, and she’s someone else. The person I felt closer to than anyone else, even my own family. It hit me so hard I’d never felt so much pain before, and it screwed me up so much you have no idea. I still am affected by it, by the way, and this happened over a year ago. I couldn’t imagine the same happening with someone I married :\

This is, by the way, why I’m incredibly skeptical of love, in a philosophical sense.
 
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