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I grew up in a catholic home and church. We all hung around catholics. I’ve known catholics from everywhere I’ve traveled.

Was Stephen slandering the Sanhedrin?
 
Erick_Ybarra said:
I don’t want my kids to grow up around a group that is confessionally not disciplined in holiness of life:( I believe that such pursuits are not only individual but a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

The Scripture is full of commands to avoid evil people, specifically ministers of christ, not a poor prostitute.

Anything you have to offer is welcomed
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*Discipline *within the Church can and does change. Various times call for differing prudential judgments by those who are the Successors of the Apostles who have been given the authority of the Church to make such judgments.

One will find those in various communities of fellow Christians who see our approach is rather too strict…
 
Erick_Ybarra said:
I just do not want to make the wrong decision. I don’t want my kids to grow up around a group that is confessionally not disciplined in holiness of life:( I believe that such pursuits are not only individual but a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

The Scripture is full of commands to avoid evil people, specifically ministers of christ, not a poor prostitute.

Anything you have to offer is welcomed
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Okay, you’re obviously not getting it. Thus this is a waste of time. You’re calling the Catholic Church a prostitute? You have a lot of growing up to do. Get back to us when that happens.
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No you took it the wrong way. What I meant was that as Christians we are to come close and embrace the poor and the prostitutes, but we are to avoid the proud minister of christ who is evil.
 
Still no answer to the question, Erick, about registering in RCIA? NO answer and silence can be construed as your answer.
I grew up in a catholic home and church. We all hung around catholics. I’ve known catholics from everywhere I’ve traveled.
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Then why did you leave? Have you received the sacraments? If so, then you received the teachings. Where did you obtain this antipathy toward the RCC? Have you read the scripture about having known the teachings and rejected them, and do you understand the fate of those who do so, according to scripture?

Another question not answered, re “I don’t want my kids to grow up around **a group that is confessionally not disciplined in holiness of life. **😦 I believe that such pursuits are not only individual but a little leaven leavens the whole lump.”

Q. "And that would be Catholics?"

You are full of questions to us, but refuse to answer any put to you. Again, your non-answer is the answer underneath it all.
 
Erick_Ybarra said:
No you took it the wrong way. What I meant was that as Christians we are to come close and embrace the poor and the prostitutes, but we are to avoid the proud minister of christ who is evil.
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If thats the case then I suggest you put your self-righteousness away. You are not in the position to judge ANYBODY. You compare yourself to Stephen confronting the Sanhedrin, AKA Catholic Church? I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just keep coming back with more outrageous things.
If you’re seriously pursuing answers to questions, then show it by talking like an adult instead of making slanderous posts.
 
Sirach2 said:
Still no answer to the question, Erick, about registering in RCIA? NO answer and silence can be construed as your answer.

Then why did you leave? Have you received the sacraments? If so, then you received the teachings. Where did you obtain this antipathy toward the RCC? Have you read the scripture about having known the teachings and rejected them, and do you understand the fate of those who do so, according to scripture?

Another question not answered, re “I don’t want my kids to grow up around **a group that is confessionally not disciplined in holiness of life. **😦 I believe that such pursuits are not only individual but a little leaven leavens the whole lump.”

Q. "And that would be Catholics?"

You are full of questions to us, but refuse to answer any put to you. Again, your non-answer is the answer underneath it all.
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And Erik,
You can start by answering Sirach2’s question.
 
I grew up catholics and yes I received the sacraments. I left the catholic church because the gospel was never proclaimed and everyone I knew lived in unashamed sin, including myself. In the Spanish culture you don’t convert to Catholicism, it is part if your life attached with everything else. You can be in a gang and still be wearing a crucifix and kissing it from time to time. Its not about serving Jesus christ, its just a religion you respect because of your heritage.

I heard the gosepl for the first time when I was 18 by a baptist preacher who actually proclaimed that one must repent and Deny themselves and pick up their cross to be obedient to Jesus as a condition for entering heaven. All my sins were repented and I became a slave to Jesus and his teaching (disciple). My old catholic priest would have said I was fine and I really wasn’t. I was partaking the Eucharist and no one ever questioned me. Everyone I knew took the Eucharist, but emphasis on holiness and righteousness were non existant.

This lax culture of religion, Mary and saint focused, and the quick 8 minute homilies were never reaching deep enough to catch my soul when every catholic I knew seemed to think everything was fine.
 
No I’m not enrolled but I have more discussion with the instructor than do the students, probably
 
Erick_Ybarra said:
I grew up catholics and yes I received the sacraments. I left the catholic church because the gospel was never proclaimed and everyone I knew lived in unashamed sin, including myself. In the Spanish culture you don’t convert to Catholicism, it is part if your life attached with everything else. You can be in a gang and still be wearing a crucifix and kissing it from time to time. Its not about serving Jesus christ, its just a religion you respect because of your heritage.

I heard the gosepl for the first time when I was 18 by a baptist preacher who actually proclaimed that one must repent and Deny themselves and pick up their cross to be obedient to Jesus as a condition for entering heaven. All my sins were repented and I became a slave to Jesus and his teaching (disciple). My old catholic priest would have said I was fine and I really wasn’t. I was partaking the Eucharist and no one ever questioned me. Everyone I knew took the Eucharist, but emphasis on holiness and righteousness were non existant.

This lax culture of religion, Mary and saint focused, and the quick 8 minute homilies were never reaching deep enough to catch my soul when every catholic I knew seemed to think everything was fine.
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If you grew up Catholic and recieved the Sacraments, why are you in RCIA?
I was a Baptist preacher once myself. You did not “hear the Gospel for the first time”, you heard a modern interpretation based on post-Enlightenment thinking that even the Protestant Reformers rejected. There is no “zap” that gets you to Heaven and makes you an instant Christian. That was unknown even to Luther, to whom this thread is supposed to be about.
Salvation is a PROCESS, not instantaneous.
And if those “quick 8 minute homilies” never reached you, maybe the fault lay with you and not the priest.
You seem to blame a lot of other people for your shortcomings instead of where it truly lies: yourself.
 
So, you are a baptized ex-Catholic who knows the truths of the faith, has access to information through a RCIA instructor, yet comes to CAF and tears asunder the Church’s teachings and her priests, pretending not to know anything about our religion? Funny, but in my gut, I strongly suspected this.

Counting, Erick . . . 10. 9, 8 . . .
 
You view me as evil because I am testing the doctrines of Catholicism.

And no the problem must have been all the catholics I knew because we all lived the same way.

Who says that my baptist preacher did not teach salvation is a zap? We believed it was past present and future. You tear assunder reformed doctrine and yet you yourself do not. Know it, assuming the modern false gosepl of asking Jesus into your heart is what I heard. I was not taught this.
 
I was taught that persistent obedience was required until the end of our life in order to enter glory. We did not believe the modern gospel at all.

I guarentee your baptist history has no comparison to mine
 
Erick_Ybarra said:
And no the problem must have been all the catholics I knew because we all lived the same way.
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Sooooo it everyone ELSE’S fault, not yours? Your priest, your family, other Catholics…not yours. And now that you have come to know all things through your preacher, you’ve come to show us the true way, which you of course, have found.
If you actually found the ‘true way’, the first act would be to blame yourself for being a bad Catholic, not everyone else.
Repentance is not blaming, its about taking responsibility. A turning around from one way of thinking (blaming everyone else for my shortcomings) and turning toward God (who will identify for you the true culprit for your shortcomings: you).
 
Without addressing particular described experiences… (and I will give the benefit of as it fits to each person)

I will note that the Church spans the globe…it does not consist only of certain parishes or certain areas or certain Priests or even the various Catholics who do not know their faith etc…etc…

Are there Priests who went through seminary during a period of cultural upheaval and who did not get the formation they ought? Yes. Should such have happened then? No of course not. Are there very very good Priests who are very well formed all over the world? Yes most certainly. Are there Catholics who do not know their Faith …who have ended up more in the surrounding culture than in living their Faith? Yes. Are there Catholics who know the Gospel …know the Faith well and seek daily to follow Christ all over the world? Yes most certainly.

Is there a need to continually act against the culture (and the past cultural upheavals of the last part of the 20th century)–and to re-evangelize a number of the Baptized? Yes Such is the New Evangelization. Such is part of even of the current* Year of Faith*.
 
Listen, I an dying to meet a catholic in person who really lives for the lord. When insatiable thus I mean they are filled with the fruits of the spirit, who seek to go out and spread the gospel with the lost and poor, who actually stand up for righteousness and do not endorse false religion.

Some of you need to go through 1 & 2 timothy and learn what it means to be both a Christian and a minister of the gospel. Being a minister of the Gospel is a high calling. It is not being a really nice nice person who accepts all people at all times, never offending or disagreeing with anyone, etc etc

I notice this kind of attitude in some of the CAFs in their perspective of Christianity. Just one of the options. Its the true one but everyone can be OK too. Who are we to judge?

Did you guys realize that Paul really offended a false prophet one time in the book of acts ‘‘calling him a son of the devil perverting the straight way of God’’. Jesus was against religion that took no pity on the oppressed .

Another problem some of you have is you were never taught the doctrine of judgement. You simply look to Jesus who said ‘‘thou shalt not judge’’ and conclude you should leave everyone else alone. This is ridiculous. Jesus also said ‘‘give not what is holy to the dogs’’, is there not a judgement taking place there? Or when an unrepentant person refuses to listen to the church;and they are to consider him a heathen and a tax collector, is this not judging? When Paul said to ‘‘take note of evil people and excommunicate then’’ (2 thess 3) is this not a discerning judgement?

The reason why some of you are so unfamiliar with this is because you have never been engaged in the lords battles.
 
“Being concerned for each other” also entails being concerned for their spiritual well-being. Here I would like to mention an aspect of the Christian life, which I believe has been quite forgotten: fraternal correction in view of eternal salvation. Today, in general, we are very sensitive to the idea of charity and caring about the physical and material well-being of others, but almost completely silent about our spiritual responsibility towards our brothers and sisters. This was not the case in the early Church or in those communities that are truly mature in faith, those which are concerned not only for the physical health of their brothers and sisters, but also for their spiritual health and ultimate destiny. The Scriptures tell us: “Rebuke the wise and he will love you for it. Be open with the wise, he grows wiser still, teach the upright, he will gain yet more” (Prov 9:8ff). Christ himself commands us to admonish a brother who is committing a sin (cf. Mt 18:15). The verb used to express fraternal correction - elenchein – is the same used to indicate the prophetic mission of Christians to speak out against a generation indulging in evil (cf. Eph 5:11). The Church’s tradition has included “admonishing sinners” among the spiritual works of mercy. It is important to recover this dimension of Christian charity. We must not remain silent before evil. I am thinking of all those Christians who, out of human regard or purely personal convenience, adapt to the prevailing mentality, rather than warning their brothers and sisters against ways of thinking and acting that are contrary to the truth and that do not follow the path of goodness. Christian admonishment, for its part, is never motivated by a spirit of accusation or recrimination. It is always moved by love and mercy, and springs from genuine concern for the good of the other. As the Apostle Paul says: “If one of you is caught doing something wrong, those of you who are spiritual should set that person right in a spirit of gentleness; and watch yourselves that you are not put to the test in the same way” (Gal 6:1). In a world pervaded by individualism, it is essential to rediscover the importance of fraternal correction, so that together we may journey towards holiness. Scripture tells us that even “the upright falls seven times” (Prov 24:16); all of us are weak and imperfect (cf. 1 Jn 1:8). It is a great service, then, to help others and allow them to help us, so that we can be open to the whole truth about ourselves, improve our lives and walk more uprightly in the Lord’s ways. There will always be a need for a gaze which loves and admonishes, which knows and understands, which discerns and forgives (cf. Lk 22:61), as God has done and continues to do with each of us.”

–Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/lent/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20111103_lent-2012_en.html
 
Ah, so the truth comes out, little by little.

Ex-Catholic Erick, fed up and angry with the Catholic Church, her priests, and her members, comes to CAF to engage in the Lord’s battles and set those pitiful Catholics straight. Gotcha!

Counting 7 … 6 … 5
 
Erick_Ybarra said:
Listen, I an dying to meet a catholic in person who really lives for the lord. When insatiable thus I mean they are filled with the fruits of the spirit, who seek to go out and spread the gospel with the lost and poor, who actually stand up for righteousness and do not endorse false religion.

Some of you need to go through 1 & 2 timothy and learn what it means to be both a Christian and a minister of the gospel. Being a minister of the Gospel is a high calling. It is not being a really nice nice person who accepts all people at all times, never offending or disagreeing with anyone, etc etc

I notice this kind of attitude in some of the CAFs in their perspective of Christianity. Just one of the options. Its the true one but everyone can be OK too. Who are we to judge?

Did you guys realize that Paul really offended a false prophet one time in the book of acts ‘‘calling him a son of the devil perverting the straight way of God’’. Jesus was against religion that took no pity on the oppressed .

Another problem some of you have is you were never taught the doctrine of judgement. You simply look to Jesus who said ‘‘thou shalt not judge’’ and conclude you should leave everyone else alone. This is ridiculous. Jesus also said ‘‘give not what is holy to the dogs’’, is there not a judgement taking place there? Or when an unrepentant person refuses to listen to the church;and they are to consider him a heathen and a tax collector, is this not judging? When Paul said to ‘‘take note of evil people and excommunicate then’’ (2 thess 3) is this not a discerning judgement?

The reason why some of you are so unfamiliar with this is because you have never been engaged in the lords battles.
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Dude, you are on an internet forum talking to people you know nothing about, telling us what we have and have not experienced, and what we do and do not know.
This kind of arrogance is actually quite hilarious.
I truly hope you do not speak to people in real life like this, because its a very lonley existence.
I’m done with this thread.
Erik call us when you become an adult and can speak like one.
Otherwise, its a waste of time.
 
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