Behavior Matters

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You are probably highly educated and very well spoken so please stop pretending you don’t understand what I am trying to say. Punishing a bad behavior without considering the full picture will not be helpful, you need to provide also a good support system to encourage change. Even for adults, if you send somebody to prison but don’t provide him/her with opportunities to address addiction, get a degree or some kind of professional certification, access to counseling etc, by the time the inmate is released s/he will have no means to improve his/her living conditions and will end up in the old bad behaviors patterns. Please come out from your ivory tower and see how hard is life for many people. It seems from your words that bad behavior brings poor life outcomes but I have seen often how poor living conditions and poverty are causing frustration, desperation, anger, and consequently bad behavior. You know how they say in US… desperate people do desperate things!!
 
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I’ve never used the word “punish”, that’s a projection on your part.

My argument has consistently been that we need to change behaviors, not ignore them.
 
How do you practically address the bad behavior without addressing the challenges connected with poverty, lack of opportunities, limited access to healthcare and education etc? Examples of how would you do that with minors and adults?
 
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Theo520 said:
You are the only one blaming here.
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Theo520 said:
Let’s dig into the strawman arguments in your opinion ‘research’
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There’s actually a sizeable body of Scholar-Google-available research on this topic, which has been debated for 70+ years, and your article is rehashing outmoded and disproven arguments from the Johnson/Moynihan Report Era. If your arguments are correct, then we can completely jettison Catholic teaching. After all, why live by the Beatitudes if the poor deserve to be where they are?
 
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There’s actually a sizeable body of Scholar-Google-available research on this topic, which has been debated for 70+ years, and your article is rehashing outmoded and disproven arguments from the Johnson/Moynihan Report Era. If your arguments are correct, then we can completely jettison Catholic teaching. After all, why live by the Beatitudes if the poor deserve to be where they are?
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Man, you are projecting big time.

Not a single thing I’ve posted suggested the poor deserve to be where they are.

You should reexamine the image of the children looking over the fence. The disadvantaged youth needed more support to see/get over the fence, I’m all for that. They do need extra school and outside help. But that is very different from lowering standards and ignoring undesirable behavior.
 
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Trying to tunnel under the fence, eh? Sneaky little bugger.
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Isn’t that kinda what we do, when we graduate people without the skills we have set for education standards?

They may get past the fence (graduate), but they lack the skills that might give them a living wage and a chance at a middle class life.
 
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We strive to address it the same way as a student with behavior issues who isn’t below the poverty level.
 
Theo520 said:
Man, you are projecting big time.
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There’s no need to make this personal. I’m simply carrying the article’s premise to its natural conclusion.
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We strive to address it the same way as a student with behavior issues who isn’t below the poverty level.
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This is an apples-and-oranges approach and not terribly effective when you consider the discrepancies. Rich kids who misbehave have access to mental health coverage, weekly or biweekly counseling sessions, rehab, and top-notch lawyers. Poor kids who misbehave have prison.
 
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Don’t you work “in the system” meaning you have a bird’s eye view why some struggle? And even if it is their fault, why should society leave them be? What about others like children, the disabled and elderly?
 
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Rich kids who misbehave have access to mental health coverage, weekly or biweekly counseling sessions, rehab, and top-notch lawyers
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Really? That’s funny, because there are students whose parents have all the money needed for intervention, and yet they turn a blind eye. (I should know because I was one of those children for a long time.) Meanwhile, I have students whose parents are on the lower income level and they are invested in the well being of their child.
 
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I’m referencing what they have access to, no whether or not it’s accessed. It’s disingenuous to say that we can deal with behavior the same way for lower-income kids as we do for upper-income ones. The discrepancies are far too many to name.
 
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Don’t you work “in the system” meaning you have a bird’s eye view why some struggle? And even if it is their fault, why should society leave them be? What about others like children, the disabled and elderly?
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I’m sincerely not following you. I’ve only supported the assertion that some people need additional support, whether they have an official disability or not. I just don’t think “support” equates to lowered standards that will leave them without the tools and skills they need to be functional contributing citizens. All my comments have been school focused.
 
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