Being a Catholic in today's world is like being a deer getting attacked by wolves!

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Penny Plain:
Yes. In fact, I think you and I have had this discussion before.

I think that what passes for “attacks” in the US today is to red martyrdom (Is that the proper term? If Vulcans were martyred, would that be green martyrdom?) as a particularly vicious paper cut does to decapitation.

We all want sooo badly to be victims.
Read the books by St. Therese or St. Faustina.

We each have all manner of suffering and it takes many forms. That is not about claiming victimhood, it is about offering up our suffering and calling it what it is. Not wallowing in it for the sake of pity, but recognizing it and dealing with it as God calls us to do.
 
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Andrew_11:
Can someone explain to me what these colors have to do with being martyred
But there are two kinds of martyrdom, the red and the white.
Red martyrdom occurs when a person sheds their blood for Christ. Throughout the history of the Church, there have been many of these brave souls who died rather that forsake the Lord. Many of their names are very familiar and form a litany of courage and trust in God; Stephen, Lawrence, Justin, Polycarp, Sebastian, Paul Miki, Maximilian Kolbe, Agnes, Lucy, Agatha, Cecilia, Apollonia, Edith Stein, and Maria Goretti are just a few. Kateri Tekakwitha herself was born at Ossernenon, the same village where three Jesuit missionaries - Rene Goupil, Isaac Jogues and Jean Lalande - were martyred.
The second form is called white martyrdom. This is a martyrdom without blood, without the violent taking of life. White martyrdom is a total offering to God, a “dying” to the world and its allurements. A white martyr willingly gives up worldly concerns and makes his or her life a perpetual pilgrimage. A white martyr lives a life of heroic devotion for Him alone, eagerly uniting that devotion with Christ’s sufferings.
 
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Andrew_11:
Can someone explain to me what these colors have to do with being martyred
I think I have this right.

Red martyrdom is when they physically harm you with the red-hot brazier and the arrows and the crucifixion and so forth.

White martyrdom is the idea that not all suffering for the sake of our Faith is physical – somebody who lost a job because of his Faith would also be undergoing martyrdom, except without physical pain or (presumably) death.

Green martyrdom is like red martyrdom, except for Vulcans, who on Star Trek have green bl… (trails off into embarrassed silence)

See what Fix said. It’s better.
 
Paris Blues:
I swear, I think this is sooo true because here you have people attacking you and the Faith and all this garbage! 😦 It’s just so not cool!

I know it’s a bad analogy but in a way it’s true!

Maybe you guys have a better analogy! 😛
We can expect that there will always be difficulties. It is important to emphasize the positive…
It does get to be troublesome at times…especially if I use CAforums for too long…
I get distressed by those…
 
Penny Plain:
I think I have this right.

Red martyrdom is when they physically harm you with the red-hot brazier and the arrows and the crucifixion and so forth.

White martyrdom is the idea that not all suffering for the sake of our Faith is physical – somebody who lost a job because of his Faith would also be undergoing martyrdom, except without physical pain or (presumably) death.

Green martyrdom is like red martyrdom, except for Vulcans, who on Star Trek have green bl… (trails off into embarrassed silence)

See what Fix said. It’s better.
Clever, I give credit…
 
Blessed Art Thou Among Women

By Cardinal Newman

Mary the Vessel of Honor

St. Paul calls elect souls vessels of honor: of honor, because they are elect or chosen; and vessels, because, through the love of God, they are filled with God’s heavenly and holy grace. How much more then is Mary a vessel of honor by reason of her having within her, not only the grace of God, but the very Son of God, formed as regards His flesh and blood out of her!

But this title” honorable, “as applied to Mary, admits of a further and special meaning. She was a martyr without the rude dishonor which accompanied the sufferings of Martyrs. The martyrs were seized, haled about, thrust into prison with the vilest criminals, and assailed with the most blasphemous words and foulest speeches which Satan could inspire. Nay, such was the unutterable trial also of the holy women, young ladies the spouses of Christ, whom the heathen seized, tortured, and put to death. Above all, our Lord Himself, whose sanctity was greater than any created excellence or vessel of grace—even He, as we know well, was buffeted, stripped, scourged, mocked, dragged about, and then stretched, nailed, lifted up on a high cross, to the gaze of a brutal multitude.

But He, who bore the sinner’s shame for sinners, spared His Mother, who was sinless, this supreme indignity. Not in the body, but in the soul, she suffered. True, in His Agony she was agonized; in His Passion she suffered a fellow-passion; she was crucified with Him; the spear that pierced His breast pierced through her spirit. Yet there were not visible signs of this intimate martyrdom; she stood up, still, collected, motionless, solitary, under the Cross of her Son, surrounded by Angels, and shrouded in their virginal sanctity from the notice of all who were taking part in His Crucifixion.
 
Paris, Remember that when people attack our faith, it’s usually because they don’t understand it.

I used to get sooooo angry when I’d hear anti-Catholic comments. Now I’ll usually weight the situation. Not every comment is worth a response. You can correct some people all day, but they’ll never listen. In that case, just smile and say a little prayer for the person (and for your own peace of mind!) Show them how good of a person you are; how the faith lives within your being and actions. Maybe someday they’ll even come around.
 
Matt16_18 said:
“Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
Matt. 5:11-12

Keep saying it whenever a trial comes up! And looking up all the while.🙂
 
Penny Plain:
No, not really. You think disagreement = attack. It’s not. We have it very, very good here.
Not where I grew up, incidentally, here in the US. I was belittled, made fun of, called pagan, staute worshipper, you name it. And all off this ridicule and hate came from, guess who- Protestants: Baptists, Methodists, other Evangelicals. Even at my recent HS reunion, an old Baptist friend of mine asked me if I had “found the Lord yet?”, and realized the “errors” of my ways. Granted we’re not being attacked physically, but sometime the verbal abuse can be pretty burdensome.
 
I wonder if the early Christians would say we have it tough? You know, the people who were slaughtered for Christ, or those hiding and wroshipping in catacomes…would they think we have it tough just because some people do not agree with us?

I take this modern era as a major blessing from God.
 
I think they would tell us to quit our whining and get back out there to spread the news. 😉
 
singinbeauty,

I agree completely. I also think about the Bishops and Priests in China…I wonder if they think we have it tough…
 
That is why whenever someone is talking to me about their woes and wounds (either protestant or catholic) I usually tell them to SUCK IT UP. You could have it WAY worse. So people tease you… I got teased about physical features, you get over it. Especially if you rely on God for strength and not your own. Go deliver some bibles to China or the Middle East and then come back and talk to me about persecution and ‘anti-religion’. 😉
 
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Singinbeauty:
That is why whenever someone is talking to me about their woes and wounds (either protestant or catholic) I usually tell them to SUCK IT UP. You could have it WAY worse. So people tease you… I got teased about physical features, you get over it. Especially if you rely on God for strength and not your own. Go deliver some bibles to China or the Middle East and then come back and talk to me about persecution and ‘anti-religion’. 😉
Don’t make me come over there and agree with you.
 
:bigyikes: Oh My Goodness!!! A Catholic agreeing with a Protestant??? What has the world turned into??? :bigyikes:
 
seems to me everyone is kinda hard on everyone else’s
faith…

and i’m not sure, but i’d be willing to bet a lot of it has more
to do with pride, than with anything else…

we live in a world that has to be ‘right’… in society, our politics,
our entertainment… even when differing points of view don’t really
hurt either person, or their position, we still have to decide who
is ‘right’…

Mark 9:
38 John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me.
40"For he who is not against us is for us.”

guess even the apostles were guilty of this one…

🙂
 
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