Being a slave of God

[cute2904]

Faith101:

Bring PROOF, if you should be truthful. Muslims are not told to accept blindly, but to ponder and to think…as the Quran tells us many many times.

Allah calls those who reject the truth “people who do not think”

Again, bring proof that there is one contradiction or mistake…and inshAllah, if your intention is sincere, you will find that there are none.

 

[cute2904]

Faith101:

Again, ladies and gentlemen, no revelation, prior to the Quran, was meant to reach us in its pure form…simply because it wasnt meant for US.

Each messenger/prophet came to a certain set of people with certain revelation from God. The final messenger, Mohamed peace be upon him, came to all of mankind, therefore only the Quran (the revelation that he recieved) was preserved by God.

Well faith give us the proof…

 

[cute2904]

“the Gospel of Jesus” meaning what Jesus peace be upon preached, the revelation that HE GOT FROM GOD…not what mark luke john think.

In any case, it was not meant to be preserved. It was for hte Children of Israel and only them, as Jesus (pbuh) himself eluded to.

Do you know where is/was the true Jesus’s gospel according to quran? Can you find any historian claims who stated that Jesus did receive bible from God? why God not able to preserve His word to his children in Israel… Is he a weak god?

 

[Faith101]

Do you know where is/was the true Jesus’s gospel according to quran?

It is the revelation Jesus peace be upon him recieved from God. The direction that Jesus was given so he can call people to the worship of one God (just like Abraham andMoses did)

Can you find any historian claims who stated that Jesus did receive bible from God

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You mean to tell me that you dont believe that Jesus recieved any revelation?

why God not able to preserve His word to his children in Israel… Is he a weak god?

What do you mean by this? Ofcourse God is not a weak God, he neither needs food nor drink, He is all powerful and self-sufficient.

The message was given to them…some accepted some rejected (as happened with ALL the prophets)…there is no compulsion in religion.

Now, the Quran is the final revelation, we dont need anything else.

 

[Faith101]

cute2904:

Well faith give us the proof…

Do you want it from the Bible or from the Quran?

Before you answer…i encourage you (as i do for myself) to clear your intentions…someone once said “dont ask the question, if you are not prepared for the answer” so if you are asking just to ask and not in seeking the truth…then nothing i will say will convince you and it’ll just make my poor fingers tired

also, if you insist on proof…do you believe that the Bible contains mistakes or no? That contains additions or no? Thanks

 

[cute2904]

Faith101:

It is the revelation Jesus peace be upon him recieved from God. The direction that Jesus was given so he can call people to the worship of one God (just like Abraham andMoses did)

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You mean to tell me that you dont believe that Jesus recieved any revelation?

I believe Jesus is the message itself for humakind.

What do you mean by this? Ofcourse God is not a weak God, he neither needs food nor drink, He is all powerful and self-sufficient.

The message was given to them…some accepted some rejected (as happened with ALL the prophets)…there is no compulsion in religion.

Now, the Quran is the final revelation, we dont need anything else.

If god is not able to preserve the other revelations but quran, how can we be sure that the quran also preserved?.. god could make mistake twice… (god according to your belif of course not mine)

 

[cute2904]

Faith101:

Do you want it from the Bible or from the Quran?

Before you answer…i encourage you (as i do for myself) to clear your intentions…someone once said “dont ask the question, if you are not prepared for the answer” so if you are asking just to ask and not in seeking the truth…then nothing i will say will convince you and it’ll just make my poor fingers tired

also, if you insist on proof…do you believe that the Bible contains mistakes or no? That contains additions or no? Thanks

Who are you to ask me to clear my intention? I am here just like you and the rest of us. We are discussing mean while seeking the truth. Do not twist my words and jump into another topic. so typical faith… just show us what you got and see if we can compare to what we got… simple is it?..

 

[sainted]

“the Gospel of Jesus” meaning what Jesus peace be upon preached, the revelation that HE GOT FROM GOD…not what mark luke john think.

You are very careless! If not for these writers no one down the ages would have ever heard of Him. You would’ve never heard of Him, Muhammad would’ve never heard of Him and consequently there would’ve never been a koran. You are very ungrateful!

In any case, it was not meant to be preserved. It was for hte Children of Israel and only them, as Jesus (pbuh) himself eluded to.

Do you really know what you are talking about? Are they from your imams and your scholars. I will show you the worst mistake when you make such unfounded allegations.

Consider worst case scenario:

From the book of Sainted 9:27-2005
It was then that God spoke to His people, " bla bla bla … behold don’t ever memorize a word I say. I said before that my word should be engraved on your hearts … NO! You can write it on leaves, rocks or the sand but never on your heart. I was wrong these words and my laws should only be for now and after a couple of years don’t ever think I said such a thing. The word and the law should never be preserved!! Anyone who does my wrath will surely be upon him. Hence any prophets who claim to you any law from me is a false prophet!

Remember when I said I will never leave you orphaned my people? I lied I shall leave you to yourself, godless and lawless to the core as you can be. Behold in the end days around 5000 years or so if there still will be something called “Israel” I will send my one and only prophet. In order that you do not confuse him with the false prophets his name is Muhammad. You can never miss him as he will have many wives will come from Arabia. His own people will try to kill him as they think he has gone mad. But he must flee as he’s the chosen one. His return will be that of a conqueror warrior skillful in the sword. But behold for he will also conquer your godless land and your own city will bath in its own blood. Verily it’s a blessing in disguise as you will be purified with your own blood.

Listen to him as he will give you my holy word and my holy book with my law and the covenant. It shall be preached to all corners of the earth and my sword shall preserve it until the beginninig of time.

 

[Booklover]

“the Gospel of Jesus” meaning what Jesus peace be upon preached, the revelation that HE GOT FROM GOD…not what mark luke john thinkIn any case, it was not meant to be preserved.

It was for hte Children of Israel and only them, as Jesus (pbuh) himself eluded to.

You know, Faith, your ignorance about Christianity never fails to astonish me! No matter how many times we try to explain anything to you, you try to refute it with what you think we believe! We’ve stated on many occasions that Jesus’ message was for all mankind and you refuse to see it.The statement is right there in the Bible just like the one you like to quote but you only accept that which seems to agree with your Quran!

What makes you think that you and other Muslims can interpret our scriptures better than the Catholic Church to whom they were entrusted? Yes, the only Church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ himself for all mankind which is under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.

You keep telling us not to tell Muslims what they believe, and you do the same to us. You keep pounding your beliefs into us nonstop.

Saying that our Holy Scripture was not meant to be preserved is just pure nonsense! That’s another of the tactics you Muslims use to lend credibility to your Quran’s claims.

I suppose just like you say that the previous revelations were not to be preserved, should we throw ancient history books away and say all that old history should not be preserved? Why bother with it. It doesn’t apply to now??

Honestly, your statements make no sense whatever!

 

[Faith101]

cute2904:

Faith101:

I believe Jesus is the message itself for humakind.

If god is not able to preserve the other revelations but quran, how can we be sure that the quran also preserved?.. god could make mistake twice… (god according to your belif of course not mine)

this is the last time i’m going to say it. THE OTHERS WERE ONLY MEANT FOR THE PEOPLE AT THAT TIME…AND WERE NOT MEANT TO BE PRESERVED…God does not make mistakes…he is not human like us.

the QURAN is meant for all of mankind, hence its preservation.

 

[Faith101]

cute2904:

Who are you to ask me to clear my intention? I am here just like you and the rest of us. We are discussing mean while seeking the truth. Do not twist my words and jump into another topic. so typical faith… just show us what you got and see if we can compare to what we got… simple is it?..

i honestly did not mean to offend you. I apologize.

I always remind myself to check my intention before doing something, and i always find it beneficial when someone reminds me. When i talk to you or any other person, my intention should not be that i offend you or hurt you or make you feel stupid…it should be that i really want you to be guided to the truth.

sometimes, that gets REALLYY hard…its my own personal Jihad.

Cute, if you want to contineu the discussion, then please answer the questions i posted on the thread so we can start.

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

cute2904:

this is the last time i’m going to say it. THE OTHERS WERE ONLY MEANT FOR THE PEOPLE AT THAT TIME…AND WERE NOT MEANT TO BE PRESERVED…God does not make mistakes…he is not human like us.

the QURAN is meant for all of mankind, hence its preservation.

Do you mean that the Quran can stand on its own without previous scriptures? Could the Quran have come into being without the Old and New Testaments? I believe that would be denying history.

Muslims claim that even though you consider our scriptures corrupted, that the Bible prophesies the coming of Mohammed! How do you reconcile that by saying that the previous scriptures should not be preserved?

With the coming of Jesus, the Old Testament ended and the New began, but that did not make the Old Testament obsolete or unnecessary.

 

[Edris]

Booklover:

You know, Faith, your ignorance about Christianity never fails to astonish me! No matter how many times we try to explain anything to you, you try to refute it with what you think we believe! We’ve stated on many occasions that Jesus’ message was for all mankind and you refuse to see it.…font]

 Ok i'll agree with you that  Jesus' message was for all mankind,   and for every time and place.

 Tell me,  what does Jesus pbuh teach you about:
       1- Personal Hygiene
       2- Family Life
       3- Divorce
       4- Nutrition 
       5- Medicine
       6- Patients
       7- Basic Health
       8- Laws of Inheritance
       9- Etiquette
       10- Social Responsibilities
       11- How to treat other Creatures (Including which months to hunt,  how to slaughter animals without making them suffer,  etc....)
       12- Economics
       13- Loans, Payment of Loans, Freezing of Property, Bankruptcy
       14- Mortgaging
       15- Politics
       16- Warfare
               etc....

Peace

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread seems to be drifting off it’s original topic. Let’s keep it on track.

Thanks!

 

[Faith101]

QUOTE=Booklover]

Do you mean that the Quran can stand on its own without previous scriptures? Could the Quran have come into being without the Old and New Testaments? I believe that would be denying history.

Yes, the Quran stands alone in terms of divine revelation. In it are the important things we should know from the otehr scriptures.

Muslims claim that even though you consider our scriptures corrupted, that the Bible prophesies the coming of Mohammed! How do you reconcile that by saying that the previous scriptures should not be preserved?

The words of Jesus peace be upon him have been altered by man. However, they did not change everything. Some things we do believe may be from God. I dont disagree with everything in the Bible, i have the liberty to do that.

We do not believe it is divine in the way it exists today, because the work of man polluted it.

 

[kristyn]

Emad:

Kristyn if you don’t mind me asking how much knowledge of Islam do you have? Do you know the basic Islamic beliefs? Did you ever read the Quran in its entirety? From your above post it is obvious to me that you don’t so please learn before you speak.

I have researched Islam for the past 2 years. I am quite learned on Islam. I cannot read the Quaran in its authentic way because I do not know Arabic --do you? You should not make accusations yourself, about my knowdledge, when you don’t “obviously” know me, that is quite uncharitable. I KNOW your “prophet” was more of a warlord than a prophet, and that can not be disputed, no matter how you convince yourself otherwise.
I am in love with a “secular” Muslim, and I mean the “peaceful” when I refer to secular, because the only way you can be a peaceful Muslim is to ignorant of the true intent of your prophet and, therefore, be secular.

 

[kristyn]

Faith101:

Again, ladies and gentlemen, no revelation, prior to the Quran, was meant to reach us in its pure form…simply because it wasnt meant for US.

Each messenger/prophet came to a certain set of people with certain revelation from God. The final messenger, Mohamed peace be upon him, came to all of mankind, therefore only the Quran (the revelation that he recieved) was preserved by God.

Yes, and the ONLY person who really knows is Mohammad.

 

[Faith101]

kristyn:

I have researched Islam for the past 2 years. I am quite learned on Islam. I cannot read the Quaran in its authentic way because I do not know Arabic --do you? You should not make accusations yourself, about my knowdledge, when you don’t “obviously” know me, that is quite uncharitable. I KNOW your “prophet” was more of a warlord than a prophet, and that can not be disputed, no matter how you convince yourself otherwise.
I am in love with a “secular” Muslim, and I mean the “peaceful” when I refer to secular, because the only way you can be a peaceful Muslim is to ignorant of the true intent of your prophet and, therefore, be secular.

May God guide you Kristyn.

Its weird how it takes a non-muslim to tell the muslims that they are ignorant of their prophet’s life.

why, then, is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world, including the USA…including priests? Are ALLLL these people ignorant.