Being Born Again

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Being born again is not about beginning a new life believing in Jesus as most people think.
It is simply not a change in human beings, but a Transformation that comes from God.
 
Being born again is not about beginning a new life believing in Jesus as most people think.
It is simply not a change in human beings, but a Transformation that comes from God.
Baptized,Confirmed,Confession,Mass - I’m about as “Born-Again” as they come

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Well, I should of said “awakening” instead of born again as I don’t like that term. I meant being awakened as lapsed Catholics as I was. I was “awakened” in my faith some years ago and have never been the same.

:signofcross: Thank you Jesus for finding me.
 
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
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   There are many Evangelical Churches  that are composed sometimes of  fallen away Catholics who sometimes don't know  the Catechism of the Catholic Church. 

   It  was the Catholic Church which was composed of  Bishops of various groups  who  met  at  various Councils with the Bishop of  Rome being  the traditional leader.   It is the Catholic Church that  edited and formed the New Testament.   

  There  comes a point in every  Christian's life  where he must make a big choice   which is a commitment to  following  Jesus Chris.  Catholics experience  this transformation just as the members  of  the Evangelical Churches.  This transformation comes in a series of  steps but at one point  often stands out. 

 If  any one doubts that  Catholics experience the  Indwelling of the  Holy Spirit  Please read this which I copied from a   Catholic Web site.
The demoniacal temptation of the dark night

What follows is a fragment from the work “Decenarium of the Holy Spirit” by the mystic Javiera del Valle, a holy woman from the southwestern part of Spain (Extremadura), who died in 1930. Her words on this theme are as clear as they are deep: When a soul has determined to not want anything other than follow its beloved Redeemer, and fixes its gaze with the only goal of acting for Him, and even, if it were possible, to do that which it has seen that the adorable Redeemer has done and suffered for us, then Satan, in fury, prepares a great battle and employs all its infernal army in it.

(…)Satan tries to tear out the three theological virtues from our lives. But where his special target is to destroy our faith, because, once he has achieved this, it is very easy to get the other two; because faith is the foundation on which the whole spiritual structure is built and this is what the devil wants and desires and strives to destroy. God, then, remains silent; He does not impede this attempt, but rather He even prepares the way so that the battle be cruder still.
And God has his own goals, because he prepares all in this way in order to leave the devil confounded, fooled and routed in the most complete defeat and have us come away victorious from the battle remaining invincible in the future.

When Satan nears the fight, the first thing we miss is the clear and beautiful light that God had given us, in order to know the truth. The school [of the Holy Spirit] closes; it seems that we have lost memory and reason, due to the strength of the pain and sentiment which reigns in the soul.

Poor soul! It wants to look for God, but does not know how. It wants to call, but cannot articulate a word. Everything is forgotten; with such profound pain, it feels alone, without any company. What can I compare this state with? I find nothing comparable, if not those summer nights in which such strong and horrible storms rise suddenly, in the absolute darkness of which nothing can be seen, just lightning which frightens, thunder which leaves one trembling, hurricane winds which remind one of Gods justice at the end of the world, hailstones which seem to want to destroy everything.

I find nothing to compare it to: alone, without its God, the soul perceives the assault of a furious army which screams that the soul has been deceived, that there is no God; and this army surrounds the soul from all sides, full of rhetoric which preaches constantly to the soul, without the soul wanting it, but not being left alone a moment, with such strong and violent reasons, of such a force that would convince the soul that there is no God, “bigmouthing” horribly, that there is no such thing as the God the soul is searching for, and with a power over the faculties of the soul so as not to be able to reason or to believe anything else but that which, by force and more than force, they wish to make the soul understand and believe only that which they say, and not to believe anything else. (…) In this immense and almost infinite pain, there in the distance and as something which one dreamed about and doesn’t know what he dreamed, one remembers the Church and the love that we should have for Her, and this memory, just as when one has lost consciousness and recovering consciousness, wants to speak and stumbles over the words, thus the soul, without voice and stuttering, manages to say: I unite myself with all the beliefs of my mother the Church and I don’t want to believe anything else. And not being able to say more, nor speak, nor understand, I spent months and months until two years passed. I was 18 years old when this happened to me, and when I suffered and cried without consolation the loss of my faith, suddenly a clear and beautiful day dawned for me. And so, I having seen myself in a state in which I was placed, saw and felt myself taken out of it.

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Being born again is not about beginning a new life believing in Jesus as most people think.
It is simply not a change in human beings, but a Transformation that comes from God.
I would think becoming a “new creature” would define quite a life change in a human being. The result could very well be considered beginning a new life, since we go from being “dead in our sins” to being quickened by God to be forever spiritually alive as “partakers of the DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust” (2 Peter 1:4).

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new”. (2 Cor.5:17)

The Bible describes the born again experience as a new life. You should look into it to fully see what it really means.
Jesus said it was necessary to see Heaven, so it is not an idea to be dismissed offhand, without careful investigation.
 
Dear Friends,

This was a translation from another language. This women was a “mystic” in the sense she pocessed many Gifts of the Holy Spirit. So she was a person who was what Paul would call a Saintly person and “mystical” here could be translated as spiritual. Certainly she was not the same Creature after the transfomation that she attributes to the Holy Spirit. I found her story to be quite moving and no hint of occultism.
There is only one Church the one Founded by Christ. This Church is composed of all those who Accept the Covering of the Blood of Jesus Christ and follow Him in their walk in their daily lives. I'm sure you have never heard of the Mystical Body of Christ: the Church.
 
All Christians believed being born again of water and the Spirit is water baptism until John Calvin. Thats over 1500 years of unified belief on the matter.
 
All Christians believed being born again of water and the Spirit is water baptism until John Calvin. Thats over 1500 years of unified belief on the matter.
How do you account for Paul’s jailer and also Cornelius and family receiving the spiritual baptism of the Holy Spirit before any water baptism occurred?
 
How do you account for Paul’s jailer and also Cornelius and family receiving the spiritual baptism of the Holy Spirit before any water baptism occurred?
Acts Of Apostles 8
15 Who, when they were come, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost. 16 For he was not as yet come upon any of them; but they were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands upon them, and they received the Holy Ghost
 
All Christians believed being born again of water and the Spirit is water baptism until John Calvin. Thats over 1500 years of unified belief on the matter.
The water combined with the Holy Spirit that Jesus mentioned to Nicodemas was the spiritual Living Water of the Living Word (Jesus) that Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well.
She first thought it was physical water as you still do.
 
Acts Of Apostles 8
15 Who, when they were come, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost. 16 For he was not as yet come upon any of them; but they were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands upon them, and they received the Holy Ghost
You did not explain Cornelius or the jailer.
 
I would think becoming a “new creature” would define quite a life change in a human being. The result could very well be considered beginning a new life, since we go from being “dead in our sins” to being quickened by God to be forever spiritually alive as “partakers of the DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust” (2 Peter 1:4).

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new”. (2 Cor.5:17)

The Bible describes the born again experience as a new life. You should look into it to fully see what it really means.
Jesus said it was necessary to see Heaven, so it is not an idea to be dismissed offhand, without careful investigation.
Exactly… believe the born again experience to be pictured completely by the apostle Peter in acts 2:38

Repentance, baptism in Christ’s name, and the receiving of the Holy Ghost and leading of it

Completes the formula Jesus said… of water and of Spirit
 
Exactly… believe the born again experience to be pictured completely by the apostle Peter in acts 2:38

Repentance, baptism in Christ’s name, and the receiving of the Holy Ghost and leading of it

Completes the formula Jesus said… of water and of Spirit
If that is your doctrine of exactly how it still works today, then let’s see some of those miracles to go along with it. That is how it worked then.

You seem to be taking what Jesus said was only the Holy Spirit’s choosing of when and how a person gets born again. If you limit it to a physical ceremony by a man, you are in effect determining the when and how of the Holy Spirit’s work of saving, which is unscriptural.
 
If that is your doctrine of exactly how it still works today, then let’s see some of those miracles to go along with it. That is how it worked then.

You seem to be taking what Jesus said was only the Holy Spirit’s choosing of when and how a person gets born again. If you limit it to a physical ceremony by a man, you are in effect determining the when and how of the Holy Spirit’s work of saving, which is unscriptural.
John 1 26 John answered them, saying: I baptize with water; but there hath stood one in the midst of you, whom you know not.

Matthew 11 20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.

Wisdom 1 5 For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from the deceitful, and will withdraw himself from thoughts that are without understanding, and he shall not abide when iniquity cometh in.
 
And you did not explain why the Holy spirit did not decend until after jesus was baptized with water
That was simply “…for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness.”

Do you really think Jesus needed to be baptized physically or spiritually?

That was just so that He could identify with us. He did not need to be born again. He was no sinner.
 
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