Being in love vs lust

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I need some help in a situation, and for the record im 16 and have a scrupulous consience so be patient. I understand what lust is, but Im having trouble seperating being in love with someone and lust. For example, would thinking about someone you’re in love with or have a crush on (but nothing sexual) be lusting? By this I mean thinking about the person’s interests or personality which attracts you to them first and foremost. If any inkling of an impure thought came to my mind while thinking about this person, I would immediately pray to God to remove it. But even after this, I would feel guilty, that if I didnt lust, then perhaps I failed to avoid the near occasion of sin by merely thinking about a person I like. If my type of reasoning is correct (at heart I dont believe it is), it almost seems impossible for people to engage in relationships, since even thinking about them in a pure way would be a sin. I was talking about inklings of thoughts above, and my question is are these thoughts sins or temptations to sin? and by inkling i mean that there isnt even an image in my head yet, but you sort of feel it coming, at which point I would pray to remove it before it came.
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Ha, a crush is not at all lusting… I’m almost 16, so I know what you are talking about. …just keep a clear head about these things and avoid, um, bad situations… To have a crush on someone is only natural. If something bad does in fact creep into your head, ignore it, and it’ll go away. Don’t feel guilty.
 
Okay, you’re making life a bit harder than you need to.

First, as you’re 16, your body is changing and full of hormones that will cause you to more easily entertain lustful thoughts. Expect this to continue into your early twenties. That’s really a biological function which you have little control over. This is not an evil thing. It’s just part of becoming a man that you learn to discern those thoughts that need entertaining and those that are just kind of brain spam. While it is noble to ask God to take away your lust, don’t count on your nature being changed over night. You’re not evil because a lustful thought pops into your head. The sin is in the will. If you take that lustful thought and run with it…that’s where you get into trouble, but just having the thought in and of itself is pretty unavoidable, especially at your age.

Second, being attracted to girls is also a normal thing. Part of becoming a man is discerning how respond to that attraction.
Sometimes that response is simply recognizing that you’re attracted to that person and choosing to do nothing. You don’t have to act upon everything you’re attracted to. I’m attracted to donuts every day I drive by Krispe Kreme on my way to work, but I choose not to stop. At this point in my life, Krispe Kreme is not good for my health. I’m fat enough as it is.
 
It comes down to, are you placing the good of the other person above your own wants, needs and desires? Or are you placing your own wants, needs and desires above the good of the other person?
 
Read the Song of Songs. She says he’s hot; he says she’s hot. They are after one another’s body, etc., etc. Very much in love with one another.
Being in love is not lustful. In order for it to be lust it must be completely self-centered. You aren’t anywhere near that.

Matthew
 
thank you all for the reassurance, but I was also hoping to get an answer to my other concern which was about occasions of sin, like simply thinking about someone you like. I dont know where you draw the line on discerning if something is an occasion of sin. Does this mean like putting yourself in a siutation where you would be likely to commit a sin?(like a former drug addict, going to a party where people would be doing drugs) Or can an occasion of sin be more suddle like a thought in your head? Like thinking about someone you like may cause thought spam as one of the above posters put it. Would it be wise to stop thinking about this person to avoid that? I have no intentions to lust, and if I even get an inkling of a thought, immediately start praying that God will keep my thoughts pure. I dont want to be too scrupulous about Occasions of sin, because if I follow my thought process on this one issue, Ill have to do it on any other. Like going to school, is an occasion of sin, because you get drawn into alot of things which are wrong if youre not careful. Or hanging out with friends if you think they might be doing things that are wrong. I think may main problem is drawing a line in regards to what an occasion of sin is and what isnt.
 
I dont know where you draw the line on discerning if something is an occasion of sin. Does this mean like putting yourself in a siutation where you would be likely to commit a sin?(like a former drug addict, going to a party where people would be doing drugs) Or can an occasion of sin be more suddle like a thought in your head? Like thinking about someone you like may cause thought spam as one of the above posters put it. Would it be wise to stop thinking about this person to avoid that? I have no intentions to lust, and if I even get an inkling of a thought, immediately start praying that God will keep my thoughts pure. I dont want to be too scrupulous about Occasions of sin, because if I follow my thought process on this one issue, Ill have to do it on any other. Like going to school, is an occasion of sin, because you get drawn into alot of things which are wrong if youre not careful. Or hanging out with friends if you think they might be doing things that are wrong. I think may main problem is drawing a line in regards to what an occasion of sin is and what isnt.
Please excuse me, as I’m a grammar and spelling nut. The correct spelling of the bolded red word above is “subtle,” although it is pronounced as you have spelled it. There, now I feel better and can address the rest of your question.

You cannot stop living your life in order to avoid every possible occasion of sin. What you need to avoid are the “near occasions of sin,” which are things like the former drug addict going to a party where drugs would be used, as in your example.

I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember, but perhaps a google search would turn up information on the “bubble boy,” a boy who had practically no immune system and almost literally had to spend his life inside a bubble to keep away from things that might cause him an infection. We do not need to be moral “bubble boys” in order to avoid sin. That’s what actual grace is for. Many of us recall from our Baltimore Catechism that actual grace enlightens the mind and strengthens the will to do good and avoid evil. There are many choices to be made each day for good or for evil, and we must be strong enough to make them. Hiding out will not make us stronger.

To carry to infection analogy a bit further, you would indeed not share a toothbrush with a person who had the flu, just as the recovering addict avoids the druggy party.

I would say that you are pretty much OK to daydream about the girl you like. You have no desire to think about her in a sexual or impure way, and you have a plan in case your thoughts drift in that direction. If you follow this course of action and later discover that you are unable to keep your thoughts pure, then you know you must avoid the daydreaming. But until then … after all, where does love poetry come from? 🙂

Betsy
 
Hi,
I can see you are searching for the general principle, and are not really getting it.

Well, rather than hand you a one sized solution – let’s look at the problem a different way, for a moment.

Scruples are not a sin in and of themselves, so one could argue that having a very tender conscience is a good thing – although as you are noticing, it can be used to justify imprudent things; such as not going to school. Becoming a Pharisee of sorts…

What this means is that God gave you a brain with the ability to imagine certain details that others might miss (and you might miss the big picture, somehow).

Whenever you are confronted with a paradox – it means that a piece of information is missing or hidden, eg: you are ignorant of all the details or are looking at the problem inconsistently – and that’s the problem with scruples. How can one really make a conscientious choice if they don’t know what an action will lead to for certain?

The church talks about near occasions of sin – not as an absolute, but as a guideline. Different people have different weaknesses, similar people have similar weaknesses.
Statistically, most of us males as a group and females as a group , and so on along other similarities, – share certain weaknesses – so that a general knowledge is available, but it doesn’t always apply to every person.

For this reason, the first place for you to ask is your parents – both your mother and your father, not so much for their opinion but for the facts concerning their history: you are likely like them – and so will share their weaknesses and their near occasions of sin (your priest whose weaknesses are also part of your upbringing is also very good for this kind of guidance.).

The second place to look is experience – once you have fallen (venially through ignorance) – you know the occasion of sin. Let’s hope that is not necessary, but often it is. For that there is communion and confession, either of which is sufficient for the inevitable venial sin.

One thing more would be good to think about:

Love, in a good sense, is what one is willing to do for another.
One way love, “looking” as it were, is called admiration.
And this is where the temptation comes in – because you can intentionally confuse love with looking, and then looking with gratification, and then one step more – will finally arrive at lust.

So what is the root attitude you should have for Love, not the feeling but the activity? It is what you and she are willing to do for each other, and how you respect each other (how the good in each other looks out for the other’s good). What you are ‘in’ now, is called admiration – and you are right to be careful, although you should not be fearful.

If one were not interested in an other, there would be no reason to do good. Love your neighbor for love of God, and yourself.

Peace.
 
First, congrats! You are miles, no, you are millions of miles from where i was at that tender age. To actually know when sin in a knocking at your door. You are truly blessed. In truth, this is the beginning of your spiritual awakening.Now, what you do will determine if your journey towards righteousness is a long or short one.

Someone once said that the biggest obsticle to spirituality was lust. Oh, yeah, it was our beloved pope, John Paul. I have a tendency to believe that.
 
Hi ~

I’d be interested to know what you mean by being “in love.” Could you comment on this a bit?

Thanks,

Don
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I need some help in a situation, and for the record im 16 and have a scrupulous consience so be patient. I understand what lust is, but Im having trouble seperating being in love with someone and lust.
Love, in the sexual sense

Is directed to a real person.
Involves real interaction with that person.
Is honourable, that is to say both parties must be free to marry, there mustn’t be a plan to have sexual intercourse before marriage.

If you’ve got those three you have love. You might also have sexual or other temptations as well. Of course it doesn’t really mean very much in the early stages - most men go through a stage of crushes on one or two girls before actually making a serious proposal of marriage - but it is a real and worthy attitude.
 
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