Being Judged by Another Catholic

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In social networking I have asked a fellow Catholic to be my friend, this was someone who I had found via another friend and I liked some of his content, so as I always I request to be a friend and usually the majority of the time they accept or they tell me they don’t accept people they don’t know, which is fine if someone feels they need to know you personally I have no issue with that.

However, this Catholic refused to be my friend based on the following points:

He said “I am a bit confused by your page…” he then asked “Are you Catholic?”

(of course, I’m a cradle Catholic!) … I asked why confused??

**He said ** “You have references to the Catholic faith on your page but also seem to have much material in reference to “heavy metal” rock music as well. Am I misunderstanding something?”

(At this point I knew things were getting weird “much material” was really not honest, in the whole “metal” genre, I only like a few bands and none are satanic, hateful, etc, most of the bands on my page are smart, thoughtful, progressive rock and so on)

I asked him
“I am Catholic, are you saying because you think I listen to heavy metal you won’t be my friend?”

*He said *** “I was simply asking about it, trying to get to know you a bit before adding you. I recently added someone else whom I assumed to be a good Catholic and found out otherwise. I regard rock music as spiritually unhealthy.”

I asked him if he thought ALL genres of music were spiritually unhealthy?

He said
“No, of course not. Why would I?”

I said… "well, you have suggested one form is bad and spiritually unhealthy, why not all bad?"

**He said ** “I think that rock music is what would be called by the ancient Greeks and by Nietzsche a “Dionysian” form of music, one that is meant to agitate the passions in a disordered way such that they tend to overcome the reason. In particular Rock music is angry, violent, and egotistic. I’m not saying that the genre hasn’t produced any music of value but in general I think it’s spiritually harmful, as well as the youth culture that accompanies it.”

I asked what he listens to…

He said
“I don’t listen to music much because the contemplation of truth is much more interesting to me, but I tend to like the folk music of Mexico for example (where I live), and especially Gregorian Chant in the mass, as well as Sacred Polyphony.”

This is where I stopped replying.

For him to make a baseless statement and say ALL rock music (or things he doesn’t listen to or know anything about is ridiculous!) and for him to say it’s all “angry, violent and egotistic” is just unrealistic. Yes, if you look for it you can find that sort of thing but all music I listen to have none of those elements. His judgment on me based on my listening choices just baffles me. I’ve heard of “holier than thou” types but this just takes the cake!

Am I so wrong? I can’t glorify God in a different way than he does? If I listen to a Rock band signing about Jesus and he listens to Gregorian Chants (which I appreciate) why am I so bad?

Thoughts? :eek:
 
You are not all bad here. I think that this “friendship” would not be a very good “fit” for you. Two people can be Catholic and still not get along. God sees that, and understands. That’s why we must take a good look at who we pick as friends. It would be nice if everyone got along on the same level. But we are made as individuals with differing likes and dislikes. So, don’t go beating yourself up for this. I know it’s hard, but keep trying until you do find someone who can be a good friend for you.
 
He might have been badly burned by that other person he mentioned and now he’s gun-shy. You really have no way of knowing.

Rejection stings, truly, but don’t let it get you down.
 
Frankly, he doesn’t sound like much fun. I avoid “friending” people I don’t know in real life anyway. I think you dodged a bullet. Be thankful and rock on.
 
You should just let it go.

I couldn’t help but notice you are new (at least to posting) here.

Unless you plan your stay to be a short one, you are going to have to get used to things like that. Believe me, you will on occasion, take more grief from other CAF members than your acquaintance even began to give you.

I periodically get frustrated with people here, and have to walk a way for a few days.

But, in the long run, you will find the stay here beneficial. You just have to be a little thick skinned, and check your humility at the door.

Peace and all good!
 
You should just let it go.

I couldn’t help but notice you are new (at least to posting) here.

Unless you plan your stay to be a short one, you are going to have to get used to things like that. Believe me, you will on occasion, take more grief from other CAF members than your acquaintance even began to give you.

I periodically get frustrated with people here, and have to walk a way for a few days.

But, in the long run, you will find the stay here beneficial. You just have to be a little thick skinned, and check your humility at the door.

Peace and all good!
THIS^^^.
Facebook is generally “frought with peril”. 🙂
it’s only Facebook.
Who cares? 🤷
 
As someone who used to listen to heavey metal, the songs I used to like were very offensive to God. I understand where that person comes from. As soon as I came home not only did I stop listening to it but stoped listening to any kind of Rock music which is my favorite genre. I thought it was from the devil even if it was Christian. Later I came to realize that I was being scrupulous and too sensitive. Now I’ve been doing better, I love Christine Rock and Rock in general I try to avoid anything I might see ofinsive to God. Or that I think might make me weak spiritually. Yet there are lots of faithful who love Rock music propably holier than me. For me I feel like Heavy Metal hurts my soul cuz it may lead me to fall back to the bad music I used to like, which I admit shamefully miss sometimes. So thats why I keep away from it. However I still have friends who listen to it, even the bad stuff (not satanic though), but I love my friends and will not hate them for their choices. I could pray for them or talk to them about God’s love when I can but it’s not like I preach to them everytime we meet.

So I think you should respect that person’s opinion, to you this music doesn’t effect your faith but obviously to him it’s a touchy subject. I admit I am too weak which is why I try to avoid it cuz it might hurt me spiritually, they are like triggers To me. You do not know what inner battle that person is going through.

And hey, maybe you are better off not being friends with him! 😉

Peace
 
You should just let it go.

I couldn’t help but notice you are new (at least to posting) here.

Unless you plan your stay to be a short one, you are going to have to get used to things like that. Believe me, you will on occasion, take more grief from other CAF members than your acquaintance even began to give you.

I periodically get frustrated with people here, and have to walk a way for a few days.

But, in the long run, you will find the stay here beneficial. You just have to be a little thick skinned, and check your humility at the door.

Peace and all good!
Your penchant for accusation belies your sign off of peace and all good.
 
My thoughts: you don’t need a “friend” like that. 😉
 
Agree with the others. I suspect that if I was in a room with all of my Catholic friends and we all spoke freely and without consideration for building each other up, one big cat-fight would ensue. Not surprising given our differences, unique journeys of faith and nearly 2000 years of Church tradition. But we try to be considerate and in cases of stalemate, we walk away and say we are going to pray about it. And then we respect each other, steer clear of the topic or if it arises through no fault of our own, we thread carefully and prayerfully.

Seems to me that you are better off not being in communication with someone who puts you down (intentional or not).
 
In social networking I have asked a fellow Catholic to be my friend, this was someone who I had found via another friend and I liked some of his content, so as I always I request to be a friend and usually the majority of the time they accept or they tell me they don’t accept people they don’t know, which is fine if someone feels they need to know you personally I have no issue with that.

However, this Catholic refused to be my friend based on the following points:

He said “I am a bit confused by your page…” he then asked “Are you Catholic?”

(of course, I’m a cradle Catholic!) … I asked why confused??

**He said ** “You have references to the Catholic faith on your page but also seem to have much material in reference to “heavy metal” rock music as well. Am I misunderstanding something?”

(At this point I knew things were getting weird “much material” was really not honest, in the whole “metal” genre, I only like a few bands and none are satanic, hateful, etc, most of the bands on my page are smart, thoughtful, progressive rock and so on)

I asked him
“I am Catholic, are you saying because you think I listen to heavy metal you won’t be my friend?”

*He said *** “I was simply asking about it, trying to get to know you a bit before adding you. I recently added someone else whom I assumed to be a good Catholic and found out otherwise. I regard rock music as spiritually unhealthy.”

I asked him if he thought ALL genres of music were spiritually unhealthy?

He said
“No, of course not. Why would I?”

I said… "well, you have suggested one form is bad and spiritually unhealthy, why not all bad?"

**He said ** "I think that rock music is what would be called by the ancient Greeks and by Nietzsche a “Dionysian” form of music, one that is meant to agitate the passions in a disordered way such that they tend to overcome the reason. In particular Rock music is angry, violent, and egotistic. I’m not saying that the genre hasn’t produced any music of value but in general I think it’s spiritually harmful, as well as the youth culture that accompanies it."

I asked what he listens to…

He said
“I don’t listen to music much because the contemplation of truth is much more interesting to me, but I tend to like the folk music of Mexico for example (where I live), and especially Gregorian Chant in the mass, as well as Sacred Polyphony.”

This is where I stopped replying.

For him to make a baseless statement and say ALL rock music (or things he doesn’t listen to or know anything about is ridiculous!) and for him to say it’s all “angry, violent and egotistic” is just unrealistic. Yes, if you look for it you can find that sort of thing but all music I listen to have none of those elements. His judgment on me based on my listening choices just baffles me. I’ve heard of “holier than thou” types but this just takes the cake!

Am I so wrong? I can’t glorify God in a different way than he does? If I listen to a Rock band signing about Jesus and he listens to Gregorian Chants (which I appreciate) why am I so bad?

Thoughts? :eek:
I think your original impression of this guy was a little off the mark; a closer interaction with him reveals that he is not so friendly after all. He is entitled to his opinion about rock music; it is way different from yours, so you should look for a friend somewhere else.
 
If you meet a stranger on social networking sites and send them a friend request, they aren’t becoming a friend - they are becoming one of your contacts on social networking. So I would say you haven’t been rejected, you have simply not made a new contact.

I would personally avoid corresponding with someone who is so immediately critical and starts interrogating you (a stranger, after all) about your taste in music. From what you’ve posted of his responses, he comes across as rather pompous, too. I expect there is a niche for people on social networking sites who spend all their time contemplating truth.

Enjoy your music! 😃
 
If I listen to a Rock band signing about Jesus and he listens to Gregorian Chants (which I appreciate) why am I so bad?
I don’t necessarily have an opinion on this. In a certain manner, I could really see both sides of the debate as being sensible. However, if I were you, I would at least have an open mind to this person’s position, regardless of whether or not what they said was remotely relevant to them, and whether or not, frankly, they should just mind their own beeswax. I would assume they were just trying to be helpful, and perhaps you didn’t sense that from them.

I would really recommend a particular audio file for you to listen to. Go here: sentrad.org/multimedia/, and do a Ctrl+F search for the word “music”. This particular talk will really give you a solid, philosophical understanding of where your friend might have been coming from.

Having said that, I don’t endorse Fr. Ripperger on absolutely everything he says, and I’m not insinuating I agree with everything in that talk. Just that it would be good to at least understand a side of this opinion which actually would be acceptable to Catholics of good faith, one that would look at heavy metal as being something best avoided, regardless of how Christian its lyrics might be.
 
we all have different tastes - from food to clothes to movies to music, etc.

I don’t usually ask people to be friends on CAF. if they ask me to be a friend and I am familiar with their posts, I will comply plus add them to my friends list. I don’t check their “about me” to see if I want to be friends because I usually can get a good idea of a person from their posts.

I would not worry about this. there are plenty of other people to befriend.
 
If you meet a stranger on social networking sites and send them a friend request, they aren’t becoming a friend - they are becoming one of your contacts on social networking. So I would say you haven’t been rejected, you have simply not made a new contact.

I would personally avoid corresponding with someone who is so immediately critical and starts interrogating you (a stranger, after all) about your taste in music. From what you’ve posted of his responses, he comes across as rather pompous, too. I expect there is a niche for people on social networking sites who spend all their time contemplating truth.
Exactly. “Meeting” someone on FB does not mean they are your “friend.”
 
As someone who used to listen to heavey metal, the songs I used to like were very offensive to God. I understand where that person comes from. As soon as I came home not only did I stop listening to it but stoped listening to any kind of Rock music which is my favorite genre. I thought it was from the devil even if it was Christian. Later I came to realize that I was being scrupulous and too sensitive. Now I’ve been doing better, I love Christine Rock and Rock in general I try to avoid anything I might see ofinsive to God. Or that I think might make me weak spiritually. Yet there are lots of faithful who love Rock music propably holier than me. For me I feel like Heavy Metal hurts my soul cuz it may lead me to fall back to the bad music I used to like, which I admit shamefully miss sometimes. So thats why I keep away from it. However I still have friends who listen to it, even the bad stuff (not satanic though), but I love my friends and will not hate them for their choices. I could pray for them or talk to them about God’s love when I can but it’s not like I preach to them everytime we meet.

So I think you should respect that person’s opinion, to you this music doesn’t effect your faith but obviously to him it’s a touchy subject. I admit I am too weak which is why I try to avoid it cuz it might hurt me spiritually, they are like triggers To me. You do not know what inner battle that person is going through.

And hey, maybe you are better off not being friends with him! 😉

Peace
I’m a bit like this as well. Most people don’t understand that we keep away from some things because they weaken us spiritually. Avoidance of sins and all that, it’s right in the Act of Contrition.
Two people can be Catholic and still not get along.
I’ve learnt this a long time ago but somehow the lesson never seems to stick. Or maybe it does but I’m just not watchful enough.
 
For him, he thinks Catholicism is a nice snuggly little cave where everybody can huddle around the campfire and feel good about themselves.

I like the part about I don’t listen to music because he’d rather contemplate the truth. The truth is, music is a language of the passion of human love and trials, whether or not lyrics are involved. So he thinks that truth can be contained in a little box, and intends to make sure it stays squarely in that box without any connection between inside and outside.

I see it more like an ostrich, looking around and fretting because others are looking different directions, and insists everybody look the same way or put their heads back in the ground.

Or it’s like saying I have a loving heart, but it is fearful in any situation where it notices another heart beating to a different pacemaker. It wouldn’t even know what the other hearts were doing, but to feed its paranoia it monitors the eyes, ears, nose, and other senses and calls upon a subconscious awfulizing commentary that seeks the worst at all times. The amygdala has run the show for so long that it’s taken over command of the emotional system and has chemically destroyed those parts of the brain that moderate anxiety and fight/flight. It is in constant alert, just in case … anything is “out of the ordinary” and certainly “not keeping the same exact rhythm as us” constantly shows up as one of those cases.

This guy is valuable and can serve the Church, but the Church isn’t serving him. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not vice-versa. This guy professes the exact opposite, but knows he is God’s Greatest (well second greatest) gift to the Church and humankind in general. He insists that the Church is here to keep us inside the house at all times, but is nowhere to be found on church cleaning day.

He will be at morning Mass maybe, or maybe not. He will say more rosaries by himself, to add to those done together with others. He will tell you he knows all about sin and morality and is above it. In heart, he yearns to be just like the people to whom Jesus address his Matt 23 “seven woes” speeches, but will deny any resemblance of his ideal of a Catholic and those hypocrites. In fact, the reason those hypocrites were like that is they had those “less educated in matters of faith” afraid of them and that gave them worldly power so they didn’t need God except as their shtick – nothing has changed for this guy.

But as I mentioned, when it comes to weekly cleaning crew, much more the annual parish cleanup day, he will not show up. And he is heartbroken. He really really meant to even though he didn’t actually get a chance to sign up but was going to come anyway if it weren’t for the Noble Duty that he and he alone was called to. If anybody else had been able to handle it, surely he would have come but gosh too bad maybe next year.

Or maybe not, because the people that actually organize and show up at the events quit wasting time calling this guy, he won’t even have to make up a story. He sees the sparkling church, and shakes his head at the grubby people cleaning it. Nothing is wrong for him except those who don’t understand how Catholic he is.

But he will never have to tell his sob story of why he didn’t show up, because those who do and aren’t so full of themselves, learned long ago not to waste their time even inviting him to help.
 
Did I judge your friend? Yes. Not really though I only judged a made-up story that may not resemble him at all.

But the story is congruent with the behavior you just described, given my experience at Pious Pew Princes.
 
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