being late for mass

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ProVobis said:
It’s probably more of a matter of setting priorities, which they will have to answer to God for. From your posts I gather you’re giving much to Him.
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I never heard that before. How can you give too much to God?
 
angell1 said:
so someone can just show up for 5 minutes and have techinically fulfilled their obligation?

I know, we should be there for the whole mass and it’s all in the general attitude. but I think people do need some sort of guideline somewhere
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I agree.
 
1ke said:
Neither of those is a Church document.

You will not find a Church document with such a statement. There is not one. Not canon law, not any other document.
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I see no need for it to be in a Church document for it to be valid. Porthos11 provided good reasoning for this. Besides, in the EWTN article you linked to, the priest sets a cut off time (although reluctantly) at the Consecration, so I don’t see why we can’t have the cut off time at the Offertory (the traditional cut off time).
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
I see no need for it to be in a Church document for it to be valid.
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It certainly must be a church document to claim it is anything beyond speculation or opinion. It is not doctrine, it is not discipline defined in the law, it is not binding on Cathoilcs.
Confiteor_Deo said:
Besides, in the EWTN article you linked to, the priest sets a cut off time (although reluctantly) at the Consecration, so I don’t see why we can’t have the cut off time at the Offertory (the traditional cut off time).
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It is his OPINION in the article just as it is your OPINION of “offertory”. I did not offer the article to suggest a “cut off” but rather for both articles’ discussion of this being a prudential judgment and circumstances playing a larger role in discerning for yourself whether you have fulfilled the obligation.
 
1ke said:
It certainly must be a church document to claim it is anything beyond speculation or opinion. It is not doctrine, it is not discipline defined in the law, it is not binding on Cathoilcs.

It is his OPINION in the article just as it is your OPINION of “offertory”. I did not offer the article to suggest a “cut off” but rather for both articles’ discussion of this being a prudential judgment and circumstances playing a larger role in discerning for yourself whether you have fulfilled the obligation.
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This opinion was taught by many moral theologians prior to the Second Vatican Council. The catechism I quoted was written by a professor of Theology and Jimmy Akin also is of the idea that, because the Church doesn’t provide any document stating a cut off, we should look to the historic practice of the Church which placed the cut off at the offertory. If it is just opinion, it carries some weight to it and shouldn’t be dismissed.
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
This opinion was taught by many moral theologians prior to the Second Vatican Council. The catechism I quoted was written by a professor of Theology and Jimmy Akin also is of the idea that, because the Church doesn’t provide any document stating a cut off, we should look to the historic practice of the Church which placed the cut off at the offertory. If it is just opinion, it carries some weight to it and shouldn’t be dismissed.
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It is not a Church document and therefore is not binding on anyone. A person who is not there at the start of the Mass still participates in the Mass and their obligation is fulfilled. Neither is it a sin of grave matter for anyone to turn up late.
 
thistle said:
It is not a Church document and therefore is not binding on anyone. A person who is not there at the start of the Mass still participates in the Mass and their obligation is fulfilled. Neither is it a sin of grave matter for anyone to turn up late.
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…unless you were being negligent e.g. Lazy
 
thistle said:
It is not a Church document and therefore is not binding on anyone. A person who is not there at the start of the Mass still participates in the Mass and their obligation is fulfilled. Neither is it a sin of grave matter for anyone to turn up late.
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Right.
Of course, a person who truly understood what the Mass is, and desired to be there
would certainly take pains to arrive on time.
This is the point of the whole thing.
Her parents are always late. It hurts the one person who really wants to be there with the proper disposition, and not merely “showing up”.
Pious documents of pious people in the past are just that. Nice writings, and something to reflect on, but they are not binding.
 
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