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Hope1960 said:
non-Christians will come up with another ossuary or something that could disprove our faith.
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Impossible.

If such a thing existed it would have surfaced in 2,000 years, dont you think?

In fact the opposite is happening - every year more evidence comes out which proves our faith.

Think of the thousands of Catholics who are PhD’s and M.D.'s and scholars of all sorts, the Pope, etc and how smart they all are - many are literal geniuses.

Would they all be gullible enough to believe a fairy tale if the proof of it being untrue was publicly available?
 
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Hope1960 said:
What about the Talpiot tomb?
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That’s already been addressed in this thread. What about it? Joshua and Joseph were also very common names.

You seem absolutely determined to obsess about this. I don’t think there’s anything we can do to help you; you don’t believe anything we say.
 
angel12 said:
That’s already been addressed in this thread. What about it? Joshua and Joseph were also very common names.

You seem absolutely determined to obsess about this. I don’t think there’s anything we can do to help you; you don’t believe anything we say.
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I was really looking for the opinion of Spyridon.
 
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Hope1960 said:
I was really looking for the opinion of Spiridon.
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He already told you. Like I said, you don’t believe anything anyone here says.

I’m very very sorry I tried to help you by answering your questions with some truth. It won’t happen again.
 
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@Hope1960

Here is what secular scholars have to say:

"Princeton Theological Seminary issued a letter following the controversy and reiterated concerns that:

"the press following the symposium gave almost the exact opposite impression (of the symposium’s results), stating, instead, that the conference proceedings gave credence to the identification of the Talpiot tomb with a putative family tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. As is abundantly clear from the statements to the contrary that have been issued since the symposium by many of the participants, such representations are patently false and blatantly misrepresent the spirit and scholarly content of the deliberations."

"Following the media’s portrayal scholars present at the symposium accused Simcha Jacobovici and James Cameron of misleading the media in claiming the symposium reopened their theory as viable. Several scholars, including significantly all of the archaeologists and epigraphers, who had delivered papers at the symposium issued an open letter of complaint claiming misrepresentation, saying that Jacobovici and Cameron’s claims of support from the symposium are “nothing further from the truth” and also “that the majority of scholars in attendance – including all of the archaeologists and epigraphers who presented papers relating to the tomb - either reject the identification of the Talpiot tomb as belonging to Jesus’ family or find this claim highly speculative”.

Joe Zias, Senior Curator of Archaeology/Anthropology for the Israel Antiquities Authority 1972-1997, cited a leaked memo issued from James Tabor before the symposium as proof of “outside intervention by Simcha and Tabor in order to distort the agenda and skew the proceedings in a way that was favorable to their pre-conceived plan”. Géza Vermes issued a statement saying that the arguments for the Talpiot tomb are not “just unconvincing but insignificant”. That “Discounting a handful, headed by James Tabor and Simcha Jacobovici, the maker of the documentary, The Lost Tomb of Jesus, most of the fifty or so participants shared this opinion”.

@Hope1960 the devil and his deceiving spirits are playing head games with you.

Satan probably thinks it’s hilarious that you would let such flimsy lies shake your faith.

Vade retro satana! Begone satan!
 
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Spyridon said:
the press following the symposium gave almost the exact opposite impression (of the symposium’s results), stating, instead, that the conference proceedings gave credence to the identification of the Talpiot tomb with a putative family tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.
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Does this mean the secular scholars believe it to beJesus tomb or not?
 
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They do NOT believe it is Jesus’ tomb.

I’ll repeat myself for a third time:

This tomb is no more Jesus’ tomb than Madonna and Elvis have an alien baby together.

If you can’t get over this I suggest you seek out both a Priest and a mental health professional to help you.
 
Or does it mean the scholars don’t think it’s Jesus’ tomb but that the press lied and said otherwise?
 
Hope1960 said:
does it mean the scholars don’t think it’s Jesus’ tomb but that the press lied and said otherwise?
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That is exactly what it means.

The scholars do NOT believe it’s Jesus’ tomb, and they confronted the press and even released a press release saying the Media and the “Simcha Jacobivici” character behind this charade misrepresented the facts in a deceitful way.

I read a report from an epigrapher (someone who studies these ancient inscriptions) and he said the writing in the tomb probably doesn’t even say “Jesus” or “Mary” at all.
 
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Spyridon said:
That is exactly what it means.

The scholars do NOT believe it’s Jesus’ tomb, and they confronted the press and even releases a press release saying the Media and the “Simcha Jacobivici” character behind this charade misrepresented the facts in a deceitful way.
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Ok.i guess that’s why, after being in the news for awhile, he just disappeared.
 
This is not the first time these charlatans have pulled this nonsense, and it won’t be the last.

Are you familiar with all the archaeological proof and historical evidence behind the ACTUAL tomb of Jesus which is at the Church of the Holy Sepluchre in Jerusalem? A place which has been known since the fourth century at least?

National Geographic did a good article about it back in December 2017.
 
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Spyridon said:
This is not the first time these charlatans have pulled this nonsense, and it won’t be the last.

Are you familiar with all the archaeological proof and historical evidence behind the ACTUAL tomb of Jesus which is at the Church of the Holy Sepluchre in Jerusalem? A place which has been known since the fourth century at least?
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I am familiar with the Holy Sepluchre, but not really overly familiar with it.
 
Spyridon said:
Here is what secular scholars have to say:

"Princeton Theological Seminary issued a letter following the controversy and reiterated concerns that:

"the press following the symposium gave almost the exact opposite impression (of the symposium’s results),
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One more question, Spyridon… Does this sentence mean that the SYMPOSIUM agreed that the Talpiot tomb is NOT Jesus’?
 
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Hope1960 said:
If I’m understanding the inscription correctly, it also says that Yeshua is the son of Caiaphas (not Joseph). Am I correct?
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Yeshua was a common name in that time, and it is very possible that there was a Yeshua who had a father named Caiaphas and a daughter named Miriam. Have you ever looked at your own geneology? I have generations of relatives with all the same names!
Hope1960 said:
I’m still worried that the non-Christians will come up with another ossuary or something that could disprove our faith.
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Honestly, Hpoe1960, if your faith is so weak that fake news can disprove it, your problem is not with archeology. The problem is that you have not been sufficiently catechized. Are you on a bible reading plan? Do you read the daily Mass Scriptures? This would be a much better use of your time than following spurious facebook links.
Hope1960 said:
What about the Talpiot tomb?
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What about it? What reason do you have to pre-occupy yourself with it? Do you think that the earth is not full of random tombs that have people’s names on them?
angel12 said:
You seem absolutely determined to obsess about this. I don’t think there’s anything we can do to help you; you don’t believe anything we say.
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Therapy and medication can help, but also, refusing to follow Facebook links that lead to spurious distractions.
angel12 said:
He already told you. Like I said, you don’t believe anything anyone here says.

I’m very very sorry I tried to help you by answering your questions with some truth. It won’t happen again.
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Don’t be sorry. There are many people reading the threads that will benefit from Truth. Hope1960 needs our prayers, and a Spiritual Director.
Hope1960 said:
It certainly doesn’t seem like it.
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Now you are rejecting another posters expression of their remorse? That seems quite arrogant.
Spyridon said:
@Hope1960 the devil and his deceiving spirits are playing head games with you.

Satan probably thinks it’s hilarious that you would let such flimsy lies shake your faith.

Vade retro satana! Begone satan!
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Amen!
Spyridon said:
If you can’t get over this I suggest you seek out both a Priest and a mental health professional to help you.
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No matter what!
Hope1960 said:
One more question… Does this sentence mean that the symposium agreed that the Talpiot tomb is NOT Jesus’?
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Yes, but it would not matter if they agreed it was. Jesus was raised from the dead, and ascended to heaven. He took His bones with HIm, so His body parts will never be found on earth.

Either you believe what the Bible says, or not.
 
guanophore said:
Don’t be sorry. There are many people reading the threads that will benefit from Truth. Hope1960 needs our prayers, and a Spiritual Director.
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I’ve had two SDs and neither of them had answers to my questions.
 
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