No he didn’t. Again I am 95% certain that many biblical scholars agree that the part in Josephus’s writing about Jesus was forged, He was a Jewish through and through so him saying about Jesus being the messiah doesn’t fit a very traditional Jewish person.Well, not a whole bunch, but Josephus certainly did.
Doesn’t he say that some folks said he was the messiah. Josephus himself didn’t say that. He’s simply reporting what was attested to by Christians.No he didn’t. Again I am 95% certain that many biblical scholars agree that the part in Josephus’s writing about Jesus was forged, He was a Jewish through and through so him saying about Jesus being the messiah doesn’t fit a very traditional Jewish person.
Here is a link that explains it far better than I. wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Testimonium_FlavianDoesn’t he say that some folks said he was the messiah. Josephus himself didn’t say that. He’s simply reporting what was attested to by Christians.
James this is very easy to debate and one key point destroys it.Hi guys, please help me come up with good arguments/refutations against this article. It has really shaken my believe in the Christian God as I used to believe strongly and rely on the testimony of the 12 apostles. Now, if that is shaken… I dont know what to believe in anymore.
debunkingchristianity.blogspot.sg/2006/05/die-for-lie-wont-fly.html
Small problem with this. There are many different and conflicting versions of who found what. It can be argued that the followers snuck to the tomb and took the body because the end of Mark is left with the women running away, in the original version. The others Gospels also have just varying accounts as to who met the women, which women where there, ect.James this is very easy to debate and one key point destroys it.
The answer to both is the women . Now why is the women finding both the tomb empty and seeing the risen Christ first important ?
- Who first found the tomb of Christ empty
- Who saw the risen Christ first ?
It speaks volumes to the apostles sincerity of their claim .
A woman’s testimony was worth less then dirt back then . Heck women couldn’t testify against men in court .
If the apostles were lying about Christ why would they tell a first century Jewish audience that it was the women that found the tomb empty or saw the risen Christ first . The simple answer is that the apostles were telling the truth
I’ll post a very good link from Gary habermas on this
Not Billy Lane Craig…That blog is run by john loftus who got hammered on s debate with dinesh desouza.
Here is a great article by William Lane Craig
reasonablefaith.org/the-historicity-of-the-empty-tomb-of-jesus
I think he did, at least in part:No he didn’t. Again I am 95% certain that many biblical scholars agree that the part in Josephus’s writing about Jesus was forged, He was a Jewish through and through so him saying about Jesus being the messiah doesn’t fit a very traditional Jewish person.
I find this link suspect–if the author doesn’t even know how to spell “scholars” correctly, how much, er, scholarship does he really have?
Here’s an article from Jon Sorenson here at CA that addresses the Josephus question:
Okay but it still has been greatly embellished.I find this link suspect–if the author doesn’t even know how to spell “scholars” correctly, how much, er, scholarship does he really have?
And the link doesn’t refute what I said, which is that Josephus was simply reporting what others said.
In fact, your link affirms what I said.
I can’t agree with “greatly” only “somewhat.” Josephus still mentioned Jesus, which adds to his historicity.Okay but it still has been greatly embellished.
I don’t put credence in sites that contain misspellings, either.I find this link suspect–if the author doesn’t even know how to spell “scholars” correctly, how much, er, scholarship does he really have?
And the link doesn’t refute what I said, which is that Josephus was simply reporting what others said.
In fact, your link affirms what I said.
If anything there was someone named Yeshua. That is all. As far as we know the Yeshua Josephus talked about is some other person. The embellishment may come from the dying on the cross part. We are not certain. But even if there is a Yeshua all that proves is someone by that name lived then. Nothing more or less.I can’t agree with “greatly” only “somewhat.” Josephus still mentioned Jesus, which adds to his historicity.
That is heartening to see you acknowledge this.If anything there was someone named Yeshua. That is all.
And it’s heartening to see you acknowledge that Josephus did talk about someone named Yeshua.As far as we know the Yeshua Josephus talked about is some other person.
You are misquoting me here. There is still a lot of evidence that states that there was no Jesus. Again we don’t know what exactly Josephus said because of elaboration. It isn’t safe to assume that he mean the Jesus he wrote about is the same as the one in the Gospels.That is heartening to see you acknowledge this.
Those who don’t even believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth are in the same category as those who don’t believe we landed on the moon.
Nary a sane, reputable scholar denies that Jesus walked the earth.
And it’s heartening to see you acknowledge that Josephus did talk about someone named Yeshua.
Jesus was the only Yeshua who had a discipleship who was being martyred.If anything there was someone named Yeshua. That is all. As far as we know the Yeshua Josephus talked about is some other person. The embellishment may come from the dying on the cross part. We are not certain. But even if there is a Yeshua all that proves is someone by that name lived then. Nothing more or less.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. What evidence is there that Jesus never existed? I am a professor of theology, and I don’t think there is any evidence that he did not exist.You are misquoting me here. There is still a lot of evidence that states that there was no Jesus. Again we don’t know what exactly Josephus said because of elaboration. It isn’t safe to assume that he mean the Jesus he wrote about is the same as the one in the Gospels.