Believing God will provide for temporal needs

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I’ve stumbled upon more than a few Catholics who say that if we truly pray, and believe in the power of God, he will provide for our temporal needs. We just need faith and stay close to the sacraments-also pray the Rosary-and He will provide.

However, I’m believing more and more that this is a faulty way of thinking. God will ALWAYS provide when we need spiritual help, and ask. However, for temporal or material needs-even if we truly need them, He might not give it to us.

I’m thinking of the millions of good Catholics killed under Stalin, or the French Revolution. Many probably died from hunger, begging Mary for food. But it wasn’t in God’s plan, and even though they asked, they weren’t granted their wish. The only think God will give us for sure if we ask is spiritual help.

Is this a logical way of thinking? Thoughts?
 
I’ve stumbled upon more than a few Catholics who say that if we truly pray, and believe in the power of God, he will provide for our temporal needs. We just need faith and stay close to the sacraments-also pray the Rosary-and He will provide.

However, I’m believing more and more that this is a faulty way of thinking. God will ALWAYS provide when we need spiritual help, and ask. However, for temporal or material needs-even if we truly need them, He might not give it to us.

I’m thinking of the millions of good Catholics killed under Stalin, or the French Revolution. Many probably died from hunger, begging Mary for food. But it wasn’t in God’s plan, and even though they asked, they weren’t granted their wish. The only think God will give us for sure if we ask is spiritual help.

Is this a logical way of thinking? Thoughts?
This is not a very Catholic way of thinking. It contradicts Sacred Scripture, both in the Old Testament but especially in the New Testament as in Matthew 6:25-34 where we read:

That is why I am telling you not to worry about your life and what you are to eat, nor about your body and how you are to clothe it. Surely life means more than food, and the body more than clothing! Look at the birds of the sky. They do not sow or reap or gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they are? Can any of you, for all this worrying, add one single cubit to his span of life? And why worry about clothing? Think of the flowers growing in the fields; they never have to work or spin; yet I assure you that not even Solomon in all his regalia was robed like one of these. Now if that is how God clothes the grass in the field which is there today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, will he not much more look after you, you men of little faith? So do not worry; do not say, What are we to eat? What are we to drink? How are we to be clothed? It is the pagans who set their hearts on all these things. Your heavenly Father knows you need them all. Set your hearts on his kingdom first, and on his righteousness, and all these other things will be given you as well. So do not worry about tomorrow: tomorrow will take care of itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

The account of the Wedding at Cana is also worth mentioning in this regard. At this wedding we read that Jesus was not yet ready to perform public miracles (“Woman…my hour has not yet come”) but at the intercession of Mary, Jesus changed the water into wine.

God has promised that he will provide for us. When we turn to God in prayer for our needs, we should first remember the Old Testament lesson that the just man will be rewarded but the wicked man will have their fill of troubles. As long as we are living in sin or refusing to acknowledge God, we should not expect His favors or help. Once we reform our lives and start following God’s paths, then the proper way to approach Him is through His Mother. I found it helpful during times of despair or financial hardship in my life to go to regular Confession and participate in the daily sacrifice of the Mass (the Mass being the most powerful prayer) and to recite the daily Rosary. You do these three things and you will be amazed at the miracles that will occur in your life.

Now, as to your historical references to the Catholics killed under Stalin or during the French Revolution, I would just say this: it is true that God operates in our lives providing for our needs but at the same time it is also true that the free wills of other men (in these cases, men directed by Satan) are operating. Perhaps it was that the poor Catholic souls that suffered miserably during Stalin and during the Reign of Terror, did so freely and willingly for the salvation of their sinful brothers and sisters on the other side of the equation.
 
I’ve stumbled upon more than a few Catholics who say that if we truly pray, and believe in the power of God, he will provide for our temporal needs. We just need faith and stay close to the sacraments-also pray the Rosary-and He will provide.

However, I’m believing more and more that this is a faulty way of thinking. God will ALWAYS provide when we need spiritual help, and ask. However, for temporal or material needs-even if we truly need them, He might not give it to us.

I’m thinking of the millions of good Catholics killed under Stalin, or the French Revolution. Many probably died from hunger, begging Mary for food. But it wasn’t in God’s plan, and even though they asked, they weren’t granted their wish. The only think God will give us for sure if we ask is spiritual help.

Is this a logical way of thinking? Thoughts?
This sounds like the Catholic version of the TV ‘Name it, Claim it Faith’ Movement. I don’t think it is a logical way of thinking. 😃 😛
 
Alex - I agree with you. I stopped asking God for temporal things - good health, physical safety, things - quite a few years ago. That doesn’t mean I’m not grateful to God for what I do have because I know that ultilmately, it all comes from Him.

Asking for things or particular outcomes strikes me as somewhat pagan or childish - like wishing on a star. I trust God to provide what I need & I won’t beg for more.

St. Ignatius said it better:
Take, Lord, and recieve all my liberty, my memory, my understaning and my entire will, all I have and call my own.
You have given all to me. To you, Lord, I return it.
Everything is yours; do with it what you will. Give me only your love and your grace, that is enough for me.
 
God is not a vending machine.
He does promise us that if we will have faith in Him, whatever material possessions we have will be sufficient through detachment.
 
Alex - I agree with you. I stopped asking God for temporal things - good health, physical safety, things - quite a few years ago. That doesn’t mean I’m not grateful to God for what I do have because I know that ultilmately, it all comes from Him.

Asking for things or particular outcomes strikes me as somewhat pagan or childish - like wishing on a star. I trust God to provide what I need & I won’t beg for more.

St. Ignatius said it better:
So if someone asks you to pray for them that they may be able to find a job, have a safe trip, come out of a surgery safely, will you refuse? Will you tell them that it does not help to ask God for temporal things, if he wills it he wills it?

Personally I pray for temporal things but then I say “Your will not mine be done.” I can’t help of thinking of Jesus’ agony in the garden where he asked for the cup of suffering to be taken away from him but then he said, “Your will be done not mine.” He did ask for a certain outcome but in the end he submitted to the Father’s will.

I think we can ask for certain things, certain outcomes but in the end, like Jesus, when everything’s said and done, submit ourselves to the Father’s will. And no, this is not like treating God as a cosmic vending machine.
 
So if someone asks you to pray for them that they may be able to find a job, have a safe trip, come out of a surgery safely, will you refuse? Will you tell them that it does not help to ask God for temporal things, if he wills it he wills it?

Personally I pray for temporal things but then I say “Your will not mine be done.” I can’t help of thinking of Jesus’ agony in the garden where he asked for the cup of suffering to be taken away from him but then he said, “Your will be done not mine.” He did ask for a certain outcome but in the end he submitted to the Father’s will.

I think we can ask for certain things, certain outcomes but in the end, like Jesus, when everything’s said and done, submit ourselves to the Father’s will. And no, this is not like treating God as a cosmic vending machine.
You hit the nail on the head. Well said.
 
So if someone asks you to pray for them that they may be able to find a job, have a safe trip, come out of a surgery safely, will you refuse?
I pray, but I leave the result to God - I don’t tell Him what he should do.
 
I am doing my best to take care worldly needs. I go to work. I pay the bills. I eat. I will do my best to set aside provisions for my old age. I don’t think it is unwise. I don’t worry about my future but I understand that certain things will be needed in the future. Don’t the squirrels go out and collect food and store it up for winter? Yes.
 
I’ve stumbled upon more than a few Catholics who say that if we truly pray, and believe in the power of God, he will provide for our temporal needs. We just need faith and stay close to the sacraments-also pray the Rosary-and He will provide.

However, I’m believing more and more that this is a faulty way of thinking. God will ALWAYS provide when we need spiritual help, and ask. However, for temporal or material needs-even if we truly need them, He might not give it to us.

I’m thinking of the millions of good Catholics killed under Stalin, or the French Revolution. Many probably died from hunger, begging Mary for food. But it wasn’t in God’s plan, and even though they asked, they weren’t granted their wish. The only think God will give us for sure if we ask is spiritual help.

Is this a logical way of thinking? Thoughts?
Faith is not as irrational as many presuppose. It can be understood logically. The above prescription will require of you to live a simpler life, one involving austerity. You would be amazed at how little you actually need. We continually struggle with the Red Queen effect. Progress makes further progress that much more difficult. With a willingness to suffer, considerable efficiency is achieved. Stated mathematically, effort needed to spare yourself suffering is an exponentially increasing function. Consequently, if you are interested in the welfare of the community, it is better to share with others like women. It helps to flatten an otherwise steep curve. It is far more efficient to live together as a family than it is to live apart in separate housing, so on and so on. Instead of spending your time working on your career to earn more money, perhaps your time could be better spent learning to get along better with others.
 
Faith is not as irrational as many presuppose. It can be understood logically. The above prescription will require of you to live a simpler life, one involving austerity. You would be amazed at how little you actually need. We continually struggle with the Red Queen effect. Progress makes further progress that much more difficult. With a willingness to suffer, considerable efficiency is achieved. Stated mathematically, effort needed to spare yourself suffering is an exponentially increasing function. Consequently, if you are interested in the welfare of the community, it is better to share with others like women. It helps to flatten an otherwise steep curve. It is far more efficient to live together as a family than it is to live apart in separate housing, so on and so on. Instead of spending your time working on your career to earn more money, perhaps your time could be better spent learning to get along better with others.
Fulcrum, I think you’re missing my point. I’m not talking at all about wanting things, and not on working with others, I’m talking about whether God always provides in our temporal needs if we pray enough.
 
=aball1035;10090378]I’ve stumbled upon more than a few Catholics who say that if we truly pray, and believe in the power of God, he will provide for our temporal needs. We just need faith and stay close to the sacraments-also pray the Rosary-and He will provide.
However, I’m believing more and more that this is a faulty way of thinking. God will ALWAYS provide when we need spiritual help, and ask. However, for temporal or material needs-even if we truly need them, He might not give it to us.
I’m thinking of the millions of good Catholics killed under Stalin, or the French Revolution. Many probably died from hunger, begging Mary for food. But it wasn’t in God’s plan, and even though they asked, they weren’t granted their wish. The only think God will give us for sure if we ask is spiritual help.
Is this a logical way of thinking? Thoughts?
Your RIGHT!

Christ Himself said “you will ALWAYS have the poor with you”

Because God can; does NOT mean God will.😉

Matt.26: 11 “For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.”

Mark.14: 7 “For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you will, you can do good to them; but you will not always have me”

GOD is in charge:thumbsup:
 
Fulcrum, I think you’re missing my point. I’m not talking at all about wanting things, and not on working with others, I’m talking about whether God always provides in our temporal needs if we pray enough.
If you have faith, you will pray “enough.”

God always provides the means for our temporal life. We don’t always recognize or accept them.

Mt 17:20
Amen, I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.
 
I pray, but I leave the result to God - I don’t tell Him what he should do.
I never said anything about telling God what He should do.

Please read my post again. It said to pray for a certain outcome but in the end to say “Your will not mine be done”, after the example of Jesus.

Part of the Lord’s prayer says

Give us this day our daily bread
Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sinned against us
Lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil

Is this telling God what to do?
 
I never said anything about telling God what He should do.
I didn’t say you did. I was telling you how I pray for others.

I used to ask God for things - health, money to pay bills, etc. But as I dealt with increasing chronic pain & other health problems over the years I realized it was not working. God knows about my physical conditions & He either caused them or has allowed them. Either way, He doesn’t have to be reminded of them. If He wants me healed, He will do so in His own good time.

When I pray for others, I just mention the name. It is more for my connection with that person than to remind God of his or her problems, or try to convince Him to answer the prayer.

In the OP the writer says he has heard from Catholics that:
if we truly pray, and believe in the power of God, he will provide for our temporal needs. We just need faith and stay close to the sacraments-also pray the Rosary-and He will provide.
That can lead to believing that everything hinges on MY faith and MY prayers. Then when the prayer is not answered by healing or whatever is desired, we blame ourselves. I’ve heard enough of that in Protestant circles.
 
I think one has to find a reasonable balance. When I was seriously broke and waiting for money from student loans, I was stressed over how I was going to pay rent, pay tuition, pay for textbooks, replace my clutch, which couldn’t even wait and was $1000, etc I prayed to Mary (One Memorare and Three Hail Mary’s) to intercede for me (Always go to Mom when you need money 😉 ). Sure enough, a few hours later I got a text from my mom telling me she deposited X amount of dollars in my account and paid my Visa payment. Later in the evening I got a call from my dad telling me he paid my phone bill, and assured me that if something happened that I couldn’t pay rent, he’d help me out until my money came. I would like to point out that I never asked them to give me money, and it was a few weeks prior that I got into an argument with them and they insisted that they would absolutely not give me any help with money.

That all said, I wasn’t living the luxury life, thus couldn’t pay my bills. I was forced to quit my career unexpectedly for medical reasons and needed to take time off from working to recover from burnout, so I had no income and was living off my savings for tuition, which wasn’t much.

I think if you’re detached from things and are of goodwill, God is more happy to oblige.
 
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