Believing in the True Jesus - Christians vs Baha'is

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Servant19 said:
Maybe a good test for our good friend Techno.

This is the Judgement Day after allā€¦

Your post is better though šŸ™‚ .
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Dear Servant - You answered the specific Question, mine was where the Soul of Man Goes after death, but it was asked to where Bahaā€™uā€™llah Resides, thus your Answer more to the point!

I love this subject it is so uplifting, so necessary to humanity. How many people today are languishing with no Hope, why, there is so much Hope.

The only hell is not knowing and Loving God, this is what we must struggle to do, but there is His Forgiveness, so all embracing, so ready to give, unasked, unwarranted, undeserved!

God Bless all with this Forgiveness and Regards Tony
 
Its funny how the words of Jesus are clear and easy to understand and the Catholic Church
has clarify them even more,but in the Bahaā€™i faith the words are very abstract and esoteric.
I would say that this is a sure sign of a Demonic deception.
 
Servant19 said:
Thankyou dear Michael. Does Paul ever talk about a physical resurrection in any of his Letters?

I like Paulā€™s letters since His Letters, along with Peter, are the earliest authoritative texts of the Christian community.

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Yes, the ones I posted. Jesus never spiritually died, heā€™s God. He died physically and was raised from the dead. This is a common Christian teaching for 2000 years.
 
Techno2000 said:
Its funny how the words of Jesus are clear and easy to understand and the Catholic Church
has clarify them even more,but in the Bahaā€™i faith the words are very abstract and esoteric.
I would say that this is a sure sign of a Demonic deception.
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It would seem to me that the opposite is true. Why try to trick everyday people with something theyā€™re going to find hard to understand?
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
It would seem to me that the opposite is true. Why try to trick everyday people with something theyā€™re going to find hard to understand?
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No, because if something is easy to understand the Devil couldnā€™t deceive people because they could see right through it.
 
Techno2000 said:
No, because if something is easy to understand the Devil couldnā€™t deceive people because they could see right through it.
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Says who? It does one no good to use complicated deceptions because people wouldnā€™t understand them. Think what you want about the Bahaā€™i Faith but to try to reduce it to demonic deception because you donā€™t like it is childish and immature.
 
Michael1978 said:
Yes, the ones I posted. Jesus never spiritually died, heā€™s God. He died physically and was raised from the dead. This is a common Christian teaching for 2000 years.
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No Bahai would ever say that Jesus spiritually died dear Michael

Bahais fully and without hesitation endorse Peters words calling Jesus a ā€œLife-giving Spiritā€ after His resurrection

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ChristIsTheWay said:
Says who? It does one no good to use complicated deceptions because people wouldnā€™t understand them. Think what you want about the Bahaā€™i Faith but to try to reduce it to demonic deception because you donā€™t like it is childish and immature.
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I have only read a couple of paragraph of this stuff and can already see that its some kind of bizarre psychobabble.
 
Techno2000 said:
I have only read a couple of paragraph of this stuff and can already see that its some kind of bizarre psychobabble.
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Because when you are asleep, itā€™s impossible to see LIFE!!

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Here is how this psychobabble looks in real life:

youtu.be/5aToT0dyiUw

(ps. None of these children or their families are registered Bahais)

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Servant19 said:
Dear Steve, let us focus.

Does the Catholic church believe that circumcision will save you from the pangs of Gehenna (Hell)? If you are uncircumcised, you go to hell.
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Okay, focused.

No, circumcision, alone, will not save you from the pangs of hell. For that matter, neither will Baptism, if one subsequently squanders the grace one receives and falls into serious sin. Circumcision is the sign of Godā€™s covenant with Abraham. To be circumcised brought one into the family of God. That is what a covenant does. It creates a familial bond. If one breaks the covenant, one breaks that familial bond and causes separation.

But lets get to your real point; progressive revelation. I believe that I have already gone through this with you and have explained that yes, God progressively revealed himself to man and formed covenants, with a couple, a family, a tribe, a nation, a kingdom, and finally a universal worldwide kingdom. And that is where it ends; the New and Everlasting Covenant in Jesus. There will not be another.

Now, I notice that you have avoided my Post Nos. 666 through 672 in which I took the time to answer each and every question you asked in a previous post. Please return the favor. I am very interested in your answers.

Thanks.

Steve
 
Techno2000 said:
Its funny how the words of Jesus are clear and easy to understand and the Catholic Church
has clarify them even more,but in the Bahaā€™i faith the words are very abstract and esoteric.
I would say that this is a sure sign of a Demonic deception.
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Why is esoteric language ā€œa sure sign of a Demonic deceptionā€? It seems to me there is quite a leap from believing the Bahaā€™i religion is false to describing it as influenced by demonic deception.
 
meltzerboy said:
Why is esoteric language ā€œa sure sign of a Demonic deceptionā€? It seems to me there is quite a leap from believing the Bahaā€™i religion is false to describing it as influenced by demonic deception.
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Well if its false where would this falseness come from?
 
SteveVH said:
Okay, focused.

No, circumcision, alone, will not save you from the pangs of hell. For that matter, neither will Baptism, if one subsequently squanders the grace one receives and falls into serious sin. Circumcision is the sign of Godā€™s covenant with Abraham. To be circumcised brought one into the family of God. That is what a covenant does. It creates a familial bond. If one breaks the covenant, one breaks that familial bond and causes separation.
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So we can establish that what was held to be Truth for 1200 years, was no longer Truth when Jesus came. This is fact dear Steve. Why would this reality be denied?

Would God punish those who were circumcised because they were clinging to a ā€œperceivedā€ Truth which Jesus said was not true?

NO šŸ™‚

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But lets get to your real point; progressive revelation. I believe that I have already gone through this with you and have explained that yes, God progressively revealed himself to man and formed covenants, with a couple, a family, a tribe, a nation, a kingdom, and finally a universal worldwide kingdom. And that is where it ends; the New and Everlasting Covenant in Jesus. There will not be another.
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Again this is Christian understanding, but the evidence presented is contrary to this understanding. There are nearly 2 billion people on earth who state for sure that there IS another.

Again we have established that long held ā€œperceivedā€ Truths, at some point in time, become a ā€œnot Truthā€.

Today, what you state here, is not a Truth, but you are free to choose to ignore the reality presented before us in the world, with Muslims and Bahaā€™is all stating that there IS another.

Isnā€™t God amazing? In each of His Dispensations He has stated that there is NO OTHER. Moses was the greatest Prophet to have ever lived, Jesus was the final Revelation, Everlasting Covenant, Muhammad was the ā€œSeal of the Prophetsā€, there will be no other.
Maybe this is why "small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it"
Now, I notice that you have avoided my Post Nos. 666 through 672 in which I took the time to answer each and every question you asked in a previous post. Please return the favor. I am very interested in your answers.
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Steve
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Of course dear brother. My apologies, I will get onto this today šŸ™‚

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Techno2000 said:
When you talked about Hell.
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Saying that Hell is not a smoky place found 3 km below Jesusā€™ tomb is not mocking the Bible, its mocking a common held belief. Well, not even mocking. Not sure how you define ā€œmockeryā€, but I rarely, if ever see Bahaā€™is laughing and deriding any beliefā€¦

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