Believing in the True Jesus - Christians vs Baha'is

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A careful examination of His writings quickly makes it clear that the teachings of Baha’u’llah are not just good but excellent and unmatched by anyone of His time

i find the teaching of Bahaullah that he is equal to Jesus to be at best false and at worst evil.

i find the teaching of Bahaullah that Jesus physical body was not resurrected in a glorified state to be at best false and at worst evil.

so, that is two of the teachings of Bahaullah that are not even good much less excellent and unmatched by anyone of His time.
 
eddie_too said:
i thought the bahai rejected the RCC doctrine of the Trinity. you make it sound like they hold the same truth as regards the Godhead?

this is what i mean by confusion coming from Bahaullah.

it is pretty easy for the curious to know where the RCC stands on the Divine Mysteries. i do not find the bahai faith to be that clear.
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You don’t read thoroughly enough eddie.

One of the first things you learn as a Bahai, actually it’s part of the curriculum for 12 year olds, is to study, read and speak with PRECISION AND CLARITY.

God bless you

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eddie_too said:
A careful examination of His writings quickly makes it clear that the teachings of Baha’u’llah are not just good but excellent and unmatched by anyone of His time

i find the teaching of Bahaullah that he is equal to Jesus to be at best false and at worst evil.

i find the teaching of Bahaullah that Jesus physical body was not resurrected in a glorified state to be at best false and at worst evil.

so, that is two of the teachings of Bahaullah that are not even good much less excellent and unmatched by anyone of His time.
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Ah, well, you’re certainly entitled to your point of view and I fully respect that. Can I ask you to cite an example of a teaching you find “false” or “evil”?
 
i consider the life lived by st. Vincent DePaul to be far more meritorious and holy than the life lived by Bahaullah.

i consider the life lived by st. francis of assisi to be far more meritorious and holy than the life live by Bahaullah.

i consider the life live by st. Thomas Aquinas to be far more meritorious and holy than the life lived by Bahaullah.

i consider the life lived by st. damian of Molokai to be far more meritorious and holy than the life lived by Bahaullah.

i consider the life lived by st. Katherine ann Drexel to be far more meritorious and holy than the life lived by Bahaullah.

there are thousands of saints whose lives far surpassed that of Bahaullah in terms of merit and holiness.

what do the bahai find meritorious and holy about Bahaullah’s life?

he suffered persecution? virtually everyone who opposes the powerful of their day suffer persecution.

he married multiple women?

he wrote tens of thousands of words?

he lived in splendor and luxury?

please tell us why you think Bahaullah’s life was meritorious and holy.
 
i am sure that steven v.h. will be glad that servant19 now embraces the RCC doctrine of the Trinity. i could be wrong, but i don’t think so.
 
eddie_too said:
sam, read the remaining sentences of my post.
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What I mean is, can you give me your reasoning. All I see there are statements. Even the Jews offered reasons for their questions about Jesus. saying (for example): "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, who’s father and mother, we know? How is it He saith “I came down from heaven.”

Keep in mind, yet again, that one of the evidences that a Manifestation is Whom He claims to be is that He is bitterly opposed by the followers of previous faiths as Jesus was by the Jews. All too easy to say in hindsight that they were wrong. What is important to see is how He is treated in the early days of His appearance on earth.
 
eddie_too said:
Christ is the way,

how do you know your dream came from almighty God?
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That is a good question. According to traditional Christian thought, the devil can appear as an angel of light, can he not? The only response I have for you is that over the year and a half that I have been a Baha’i, I have not once sensed demonic powers present in or with the Baha’i community. As Sam has said, by their fruits ye will know them. The fruit of the Baha’i community, love, peace, joy, happiness, contentment, etc, are from God, I believe.
eddie_too said:
who is the prince of this world and what are his (its) powers in this world?
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According to traditional Christian teaching, Satan is the prince of this world. He is extremely powerful and capable of deceiving many people. How do I know that I am not one of the deceived? At some point, the devil’s true nature will break through. I’ve seen nothing evil or demonic in my Baha’i community or the world wide Baha’i community.
eddie_too said:
would the prince of this world like to remove you from the protection of Jesus Christ and all His saints and angels?
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If traditional Christian theology is correct, the devil would very much like to remove me from the protection of Jesus and the communion of saints.
eddie_too said:
also, sorry about my reaction to your comment about being devout. i misread and thought it was directed at me. i would never question your own assessment of your relationship to the RCC. your prior devotion to the RCC only makes your departure from it more tragic.
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That’s okay. Sorry I refused to answer your questions. They are valid concerns.
eddie_too said:
but, i am still curious about what you thought or think remains to be revealed after the Life, Death and Resurrection of the Perfect Man, the Incarnate Word.
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If there is nothing left to be revealed, why does Christianity have prophecies about the return of Jesus Christ? It seems some work remains unfinished. That work is the Kingdom of God on Earth.
eddie_too said:
such a concept truly baffles me and i am sincere in wanting to know what it is that Bahaullah revealed (again something not already revealed by Jesus) that is essential to my well-being. even something that would enhance my well-being would be eventful for me, but i would really like to stick with the word essential and i define that word to mean something without which my well-being would be lost. and, just in case, by well-being, i mean by eternal soul.
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Last time I checked, the only thing that would cause you to lose your eternal soul would be becoming an ardent, dyed in the wool enemy of the Cause of God. Otherwise, souls will continue to progress in the afterlife until they obtain the presence of God. I can say that Baha’u’llah has launched the Kingdom of God on Earth. I know, you probably believe that Jesus did that but two thousand years of waiting seems a bit extreme. Soon the Lesser Peace will be upon us. The collective salvation of humankind is now underway.
eddie_too said:
here i would like to expound, if something is not essential to my salvation and eternal happiness, i would rather not waste a lot of time on or with it.
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In any spiritual quest, your mileage may vary. Personally, the emphasis on the unity of God, the unity of religion, and the unity of humankind are extremely attractive. Baha’u’llah has brought me much peace and joy. God bless.
 
One thing I feel I might humbly point out to my fellow Christians is that Baha’is have no issue whatever in accepting Jesus. We love Him in no less a way than we love Baha’u’llah, but that doesn’t, and indeed logically shouldn’t, mean we interpret the Bible exactly the same way.

If our understanding of the Bible differs in some respects, that’s only to be expected as a new Manifestation is not simply going to affirm all the beliefs of the followers of previous faiths. That would certainly be convenient. However, given that Christianity itself is divided into many different sects and denominations, all claiming different things, why would a new Manifestation be expected to agree with them all, and how would that even be possible?

It’s important also to keep in mind that God sends His Manifestations to correct certain misapprehensions of the followers of previous faiths. If those followers and their leaders hadn’t erred in any way, what would be the point of sending a Manifestation of Himself to guide us?
 
Servant19 said:
I think God has done, and is doing enough for us, don’t you think?

A selfless approach would be to say “What more can I do for Him?”

The Bahai Faith will teach you that till you embody that principle 🙂

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No, stop being so vague what EXACTLY has God done for us… done away with Catholic Church.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
That is a good question. According to traditional Christian thought, the devil can appear as an angel of light, can he not? The only response I have for you is that over the year and a half that I have been a Baha’i, I have not once sensed demonic powers present in or with the Baha’i community. As Sam has said, by their fruits ye will know them. The fruit of the Baha’i community, love, peace, joy, happiness, contentment, etc, are from God, I believe.

According to traditional Christian teaching, Satan is the prince of this world. He is extremely powerful and capable of deceiving many people. How do I know that I am not one of the deceived? At some point, the devil’s true nature will break through. I’ve seen nothing evil or demonic in my Baha’i community or the world wide Baha’i community.

If traditional Christian theology is correct, the devil would very much like to remove me from the protection of Jesus and the communion of saints.

That’s okay. Sorry I refused to answer your questions. They are valid concerns.

If there is nothing left to be revealed, why does Christianity have prophecies about the return of Jesus Christ? It seems some work remains unfinished. That work is the Kingdom of God on Earth.

Last time I checked, the only thing that would cause you to lose your eternal soul would be becoming an ardent, dyed in the wool enemy of the Cause of God. Otherwise, souls will continue to progress in the afterlife until they obtain the presence of God. I can say that Baha’u’llah has launched the Kingdom of God on Earth. I know, you probably believe that Jesus did that but two thousand years of waiting seems a bit extreme. Soon the Lesser Peace will be upon us. The collective salvation of humankind is now underway.

In any spiritual quest, your mileage may vary. Personally, the emphasis on the unity of God, the unity of religion, and the unity of humankind are extremely attractive. Baha’u’llah has brought me much peace and joy. God bless.
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Whereas the unity of G-d and the unity of mankind are relatively easy to accept, the unity of religion seems to be the stumbling block for many of us. While most religions do share common moral values, their details are often so divergent and, at times, jarring that we have difficulty thinking of ourselves as one big happy family, nor do we desire to do so.
 
meltzerboy said:
Whereas the unity of G-d and the unity of mankind are relatively easy to accept, the unity of religion seems to be the stumbling block for many of us. While most religions do share common moral values, their details are often so divergent and, at times, jarring that we have difficulty thinking of ourselves as one big happy family, nor do we desire to do so.
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Meltzeboy, I agree with that entirely. It isn’t easy to see that the religions of God are in reality one. Until we begin to examine their fundamental teachings, and then we do see the oneness.

What changes in every Dispensation are the social teachings, which need to be adjusted for changing social conditions.

For example, Moses said “an eye for an eye,” but this was at a time and in a place (the desert), when and where there were no prisons or courts of law, etc. Later, as humanity spiritual evolved, Jesus came and said, “Turn the other cheek,” because by then there were systems in place that could deal with offenders. While outwardly the respective teachings of Moses and Jesus seemed to be in conflict with one another, in reality they had the same fundamental purpose, which was to civilise humankind. This is why Jesus said, “I came not to destroy the law [of Moses], but fulfill it.” In this very statement, He confirms the essential oneness between His teachings and those of Moses.
 
meltzerboy said:
Whereas the unity of G-d and the unity of mankind are relatively easy to accept, the unity of religion seems to be the stumbling block for many of us. While most religions do share common moral values, their details are often so divergent and, at times, jarring that we have difficulty thinking of ourselves as one big happy family, nor do we desire to do so.
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Dear brother.

I find it interesting that you can see the unity of humanity with all its diversity of skin colour, eye colour, ability/disability, intellect, and character, and struggle with this unity in diversity in religion 🙂

What binds us as humans are the fact that we all have blood through our veins, feel pain, feel joy, have legs and arms and can talk to one another (amongst so many other things) With this knowledge we say “unity of humanity”

What binds religions are the core foundational truths of love, kindness, reverence, sense of sacred, charity, forbearance, courage, humility (amongst so many other things). With this knowledge we say “unity of religions”.

It is how these core foundational truths are “applied” and “expressed” in society that changes from era to era, from religion to religion, since society evolves and advances and becomes increasingly complex and God finds His ways to provide the needed Guidance for us to be protected from the hell of “error in application and expression”

🙂

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Techno2000 said:
No, stop being so vague what EXACTLY has God done for us… done away with Catholic Church.
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As a Christian, you should know that He has done a lot!

As a Baha’i I know that He has NEVER abandoned me, has always guided me in ALL my decisions in my life, given me success and taught me humility, given me wealth, but taught me detachment, given me health and taught me to use it for the promotion and dissemination of His Word.

"Blessed is the spot,
and the house,
and the place,
and the city,
and the heart,
and the mountain,
and the refuge,
and the cave,
and the valley,
and the land,
and the sea,
and the island,
and the meadow
where mention of God hath been made
and His praise glorified."
  • Baha’u’llah
 
Servant19 said:
I’ve read it cover to cover already dear friend.

It’s in my favourites folder and I study it on regular occasions 🙂

I love the Catholic Church.

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68 By love, God has revealed himself and given himself to man. He has thus provided the definitive, superabundant answer to the questions that man asks himself about the meaning and purpose of his life.

69 God has revealed himself to man by gradually communicating his own mystery in deeds and in words.

70 Beyond the witness to himself that God gives in created things, he manifested himself to our first parents, spoke to them and, after the fall, promised them salvation (cf. Gen 3:15) and offered them his covenant.

71 God made an everlasting covenant with Noah and with all living beings (cf. Gen 9:16). It will remain in force as long as the world lasts.

72 God chose Abraham and made a covenant with him and his descendants. By the covenant God formed his people and revealed his law to them through Moses. Through the prophets, he prepared them to accept the salvation destined for all humanity.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant for ever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
 
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