Believing in the True Jesus vs Baha'u'llah

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ChristIsTheWay said:
Is there a reason you are posting all these visions from saints? Also, how do you know these visions came from God? Would not a Protestant be tempted to dismiss them as hallucinations or the work of the Devil?
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ChristIsTheWay, in the same way that those in the Baha’i faith claim that in a supernatural
way God has Manifest and spoken through Baha’u’llah, Abdu’lBaha and Bab, I can show that God has Manifest and spoken to the Saints throughout the ages.Everything I have posted is 100% Catholic Church approved, but the main reason I want to post this is to show the difference in the “Tone” of these “Revelations” from God.The Revelations coming out of these Catholic Mystics are very very clear, and never go against The Catholic Church.

On the other hand the Revelations coming out of the Baha’i Religion have a completely different Tone to them, and need to be interpreted.These Revelations are some of the most Bizarre, unclear and confusing Revelations I have ever read.In the contest between the Catholic Mystics Revelations vs Baha’i Religion Mystics Revelations is that even Ray Charles can see the difference.🙂
 
PRmerger said:
We have a Church, Christ’s Body here on earth, to make these determinations.
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How do you know this Church is God’s Church?
Techno2000 said:
ChristIsTheWay, in the same way that those in the Baha’i faith claim that in a supernatural
way God has Manifest and spoken through Baha’u’llah, Abdu’lBaha and Bab, I can show that God has Manifest and spoken to the Saints throughout the ages.Everything I have posted is 100% Catholic Church approved, but the main reason I want to post this is to show the difference in the “Tone” of these “Revelations” from God.The Revelations coming out of these Catholic Mystics are very very clear, and never go against The Catholic Church.

On the other hand the Revelations coming out of the Baha’i Religion have a completely different Tone to them, and need to be interpreted.These Revelations are some of the most Bizarre, unclear and confusing Revelations I have ever read.In the contest between the Catholic Mystics Revelations vs Baha’i Religion Mystics Revelations is that even Ray Charles can see the difference.🙂
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I still see nothing vague or unclear in the Baha’i revelation. I’m not sure what you are talking about. But to each his own, I guess. God bless. 🙂
 
Techno2000 said:
ChristIsTheWay, in the same way that those in the Baha’i faith claim that in a supernatural
way God has Manifest and spoken through Baha’u’llah, Abdu’lBaha and Bab, I can show that God has Manifest and spoken to the Saints throughout the ages.Everything I have posted is 100% Catholic Church approved, but the main reason I want to post this is to show the difference in the “Tone” of these “Revelations” from God.The Revelations coming out of these Catholic Mystics are very very clear, and never go against The Catholic Church.

On the other hand the Revelations coming out of the Baha’i Religion have a completely different Tone to them, and need to be interpreted.These Revelations are some of the most Bizarre, unclear and confusing Revelations I have ever read.In the contest between the Catholic Mystics Revelations vs Baha’i Religion Mystics Revelations is that even Ray Charles can see the difference.🙂
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The saints receive visions. It is a stretch to call them a revelation. Even if it was to be termed as such, it comes from Jesus.

Jesus’ Revelation is the only true Revelation in Christianity, let’s not water that Revelation down please… 🙂
It came direct from God, no ifs or buts. He spoke in parables and it most certainly was not 100% clear to the apostles, and if you have read the Bible you won’t need me to give you references of this.

Baha’u’llah’s Revelation also was direct from God. The content of a Revelation is adapted to the capacity of human beings to understand it. Bahais have undergone a wonderful and elevating education to understand the pearls of wisdom in God’s modern day parables.

As I said, you should start from the basics and watch the fruits of your explorations flourish. There is not a day that goes by that this Revelation does not attract the Holy Spirit upon my soul and being, making me a better, more righteous and more humble person than yesterday.

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ChristIsTheWay said:
How do you know this Church is God’s Church?

I still see nothing vague or unclear in the Baha’i revelation. I’m not sure what you are talking about. But to each his own, I guess. God bless. 🙂
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So you can say with absolute certainty that Baha’u’llah is The Eternal Father.
 
Servant19 said:
How do you know? Have you been there?

Pretty much all near death experiences show evidence of a blissful Paradise awaiting us after death.

Not sure how you come to your conclusion?

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I have read Hellish ones too.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
How do you know this Church is God’s Church?
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13And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? 14But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
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Servant19 said:
Yes but PR is trying to say that the “heavenish” ones sound like hell.

They don’t. The heavenish ones sound like a heavenly paradise.

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Originally Posted by ChristIsTheWay View Post
Seems doubtful. I don’t really know the answer to that question. I would imagine they’d be trapped in the world to come for eternity.

That sounds like hell.

I think he is talking about everlasting banishment.
 
The Image of the Divine Mercy originated from a vision St. Faustina had on Feb. 22, 1931.

In the evening, when I was in my cell, I saw the Lord Jesus clothed in a white garment. One hand [was] raised in the gesture of blessing, the other was touching the garment at the breast. From beneath the garment, slightly drawn aside at the breast, there were emanating two large rays, one red, the other pale. In silence I kept my gaze fixed on the Lord; my soul was struck with awe, but also with great joy. After a while, Jesus said to me, Paint an image according to the pattern you see, with the signature: Jesus, I trust in You. I desire that this image be venerated, first in your chapel, and [then] throughout the world. (Diary, 47)
During prayer I heard these words within me: The two rays denote Blood and Water. The pale ray stands for the Water which makes souls righteous. The red ray stands for the Blood which is the life of souls…
These two rays issued forth from the very depths of My tender mercy when My agonized Heart was opened by a lance on the Cross.
These rays shield souls from the wrath of My Father. Happy is the one who will dwell in their shelter, for the just hand of God shall not lay hold of him. I desire that the first Sunday after Easter be the Feast of Mercy. (299)
 
Techno2000 said:
So you can say with absolute certainty that Baha’u’llah is The Eternal Father.
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Yes. It is based on faith, experience, dreams, and the like. I know, you have the same experience with Catholicism. The difference between you and me is that I do not deny the validity of your experience or insult it by claiming the Devil sent it.
Michael1978 said:
13And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? 14But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
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Nice quote. Want to try one that specifically says todays Roman Catholic Church is the true Church of God. After all, there is the Eastern Orthodox Church whose episcopate is every bit as ancient as your own. How do you know your Church is the true Church?
 
Not to get off topic here but Techno, where do you get all those beautiful and moving pictures? Thanks and God bless. 🙂
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
Nice quote. Want to try one that specifically says todays Roman Catholic Church is the true Church of God. After all, there is the Eastern Orthodox Church whose episcopate is every bit as ancient as your own. How do you know your Church is the true Church?
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Because the Church can trace its apostolic lineage from Peter to Francis. The Orthodox broke from the Catholic Church, not the other way around. Here are a few links for your review:

catholic.com/encyclopedia/apostolic-succession

catholic.com/tracts/apostolic-succession

catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-biblical-support-for-apostolic-succession

catholic.com/encyclopedia/ecclesiastical-history

How do you know your church is the true church?
 
PRmerger said:
catholic.com/magazine/articles/how-do-we-know-it%E2%80%99s-the-true-church
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That’s all very nice and stuff but it represents the mere opinion of a man. It doesn’t actually answer the question.
Michael1978 said:
Because the Church can trace its apostolic lineage from Peter to Francis. The Orthodox broke from the Catholic Church, not the other way around. Here are a few links for your review:

catholic.com/encyclopedia/apostolic-succession

catholic.com/tracts/apostolic-succession

catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-biblical-support-for-apostolic-succession

catholic.com/encyclopedia/ecclesiastical-history

How do you know your church is the true church?
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The Eastern Orthodox would certainly disagree with you. They say you broke away from them. Thanks for the links but they, unfortunately, do not persuade me. How can I know the Catholic Church is the true church?

How do I know the Baha’i Faith is true? I’ve already posted my story. Make of it what you will.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
That’s all very nice and stuff but it represents the mere opinion of a man. It doesn’t actually answer the question.
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CITW, everything here is the opinion of a man.

There is no God Speaking here.

It’s like your dismissal of what’s being written here as “just electronic”. Is there any other way we could discuss here on the CAFs?
 
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