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tonyfish58
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My short reflection would be
God is Unknowable - The Created are subject to God’s Laws of Creation, to which the Unknowable God is not.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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God is Unknowable - The Created are subject to God’s Laws of Creation, to which the Unknowable God is not.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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My Questions are about Abdu’lBaha and his explanation of the Trinity, this is the Guy you all go to for infallible interpretation of Baha’u’llah.
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ChristIsTheWay
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Once again your example is flawed. No one has said anything remotely like it. Like I said, to each his own.
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Servant19
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While Tony has put forward a very concise meaning for you above, it seems you are thirsty for more.
What does… multiplicity are properties of creatures; mean ?
In the Baha’i teachings there are many different levels of existence. The most basic being the mineral kingdom, then the vegetable kingdom, the animal kingdom, the human kingdom, then the World of the spiritual Kingdom extending to the World of God (Deus a se). If you look at all these Kingdoms you will see great diversity. Minerals are the most diverse in nature and God is a Singularity. Diversity and multiplicity (which basically means “multiples of”) are all in the nature of creatures. God is one, unchangeable and simple (this, too is Catholic teaching)
What Abdu’l-Baha is saying here is that God, who is one, unchanging and simple, does not become a multiple (i.e one of the creatures) The Baha’i Faith rejects the Incarnation of God as one of many human creatures. God does not go from a Singularity to a multiplicity, because this implies a God that changes.
As St. Teresa prays:
Let nothing disturb you,
Let nothing frighten you,
All things are passing;
God only is changeless.
Patience gains all things.
Who has God wants nothing.
God alone suffices.
What does… contingent existences; mean ?
Contingent existence is the nature of all things of this physical world. Things “happen” to us. We are exposed to accidents and changes which are outside our control.
What does… not accidents which happen to the self-existent.; mean?
God, on the other hand is NOT a “contingent existence”. Things don’t happen to God. God “causes” things to happen, not the other way around. He alone is above and beyond the chances and changes of His creation.
Hope this helps your exploration.
If it is too vague, then I refer you to your own teachings again:
newadvent.org/cathen/04331a.htm
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PRmerger
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What you mean, then, is “To each his own as long as I agree with it”.
That’s a bit self-indulgent, don’t you think?
If that’s not what you mean, then the only other position is that you permit everyone to believe whatever they want…
and what that means is that evil will progress.
For the only thing impeding bad ideas is good people stopping these bad ideas. Not people shrugging and saying, “Well, you are certainly permitted to believe that black people are children of mud! To each his own!”
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Techno2000
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What does this…
The Divine Reality is sanctified from singleness, then how much more from
plurality. The descent of that Lordly Reality into conditions and degrees would be equivalent to imperfection and contrary to perfection, and is, therefore, absolutely impossible. It perpetually has been, and is, in the exaltation of holiness and sanctity. ?
The Divine Reality is sanctified from singleness, then how much more from
plurality. The descent of that Lordly Reality into conditions and degrees would be equivalent to imperfection and contrary to perfection, and is, therefore, absolutely impossible. It perpetually has been, and is, in the exaltation of holiness and sanctity. ?
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Servant19
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Please sister PR.
Let’s leave the cheap talk hey? Self-indulgent? Really??
This dear brother of God has had an experience of the Lord, a miracle in all senses of the word. He has thoroughly and intellectually studied the spirit behind this experience and that there is not one thing that points him away from the Holy Spirit. Everything he has read, seen and experienced is of God.
Are you saying that is self-indulgent?
Are you saying you can provide a teaching of the Bahai Faith that does not bring about wholeness, righteousness and reverence amongst it’s adherents?
Show me the evidence please…
Or hold your peace!
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Servant19
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Ok you remember that part where I said that God is a Singularity? Well I used a word to describe God. God is beyond any human words. He is “sanctified from” any human description, even the word “singularity”…so much more from plurality. Plural means many. Many is a word to describe creatures. It is not a word to describe God. So God is beyond even singularity never mind plurality. This is not to say that there is “less than one God”…it is simply a statement to demonstrate that He is far far removed from reducing Himself into one of His created beings. (Plurality)
If He was to be a created being, that means He becomes needy, contingent, accidental and coincident, which immediately makes Him “not God” and a changing God as well. And we have already established that God is changeless.
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Techno2000
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What does this mean…
All that is mentioned of the Manifestations and Dawning-places of God signifies the divine reflection, and not a descent into the conditions of existence. ?
All that is mentioned of the Manifestations and Dawning-places of God signifies the divine reflection, and not a descent into the conditions of existence. ?
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ChristIsTheWay
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You have a nasty habit of putting words in my mouth. It is quite unbecoming. Stop it.
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tonyfish58
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My friend Dear Servant does great justice to these questions as I am a person of fewer words
My reflection upon this passage is;
All that we know of God, all that we attribute to Him, all our prayers to Him are but to the Manifestations of His Name, the reflections of His Attributes. We have no direct connection to God, God does not become part of existence as we know it. Thus to see God we have to Accept and Know all of the Divine Reflections. (ie Moses, Christ, Muhammad, The Bab and Baha’u’llah)
It is reflected in this passage, there are quite a few different interpretations, but they all same the same
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (New International Version)
God Bless and Regards Tony
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eddie_too
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the bahai reject the heart and soul of RC teaching and doctrine.
they reject the doctrine of the Most Holy Trinity as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of the Incarnation as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of Apostolic Succession as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrines of each of the Seven Sacraments as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of Eternal Life and Eternal Damnation as defined by the RCC.
these are among the central most doctrines of the RCC.
consequently, it appears disingenuous to any objective believer to teach that the bahai faith in any but the most remote sense agrees with the teaching of the RCC. in fact it is far more accurate to acknowledge that the bahai faith teaches the opposite of the most fundamental doctrines of the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of the Most Holy Trinity as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of the Incarnation as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of Apostolic Succession as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrines of each of the Seven Sacraments as defined by the RCC.
they reject the doctrine of Eternal Life and Eternal Damnation as defined by the RCC.
these are among the central most doctrines of the RCC.
consequently, it appears disingenuous to any objective believer to teach that the bahai faith in any but the most remote sense agrees with the teaching of the RCC. in fact it is far more accurate to acknowledge that the bahai faith teaches the opposite of the most fundamental doctrines of the RCC.
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eddie_too
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essentially, the only doctrinal teachings shared by the RCC and the bahai religion is the belief that there is One Supreme Being who created all things.
there may be areas of morality where the RCC teachings coincide with bahai moral teachings, but those occurrences are more coincidental than anything along with the two sharing some of the influence of the judaic Ten Commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
there may be areas of morality where the RCC teachings coincide with bahai moral teachings, but those occurrences are more coincidental than anything along with the two sharing some of the influence of the judaic Ten Commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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eddie_too
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students of history, theology and sacred scripture would be amazed by how much of Bahaullah’s teachings were borrowed from Jesus Christ.
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tonyfish58
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Dear eddie too - I think most would note that as soon as posts develop that have great content and the discussion is proven to be in Harmony with Catholic Belief, that a post from eddie too is sure to appear.
There is only very small differences dear friend in God and I must say that I am happy and thankful to our God, that the slight differences do not stop a Baha’i from conversing with a Catholic in the Spirit of Truth.
Gos Bless you Faith, God Bless your Vision , God Bless all - Regards Tony
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tonyfish58
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I am amazed, it is amazing is it not.
That also the New Testament reflects the intent of the Old Testament must have dumfounded many in the past!
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Michael1978
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Catechism 73:
1 John 2:22-25
This is the truth of the Church. It is diametrically opposed to the teachings of your religion.
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tonyfish58
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God being the best of Coincidences
Us being the best at Deception, as God does not Deceive.
Ask and it shall be Given.
God Bless all with Justice Regards Tony
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tonyfish58
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Dear Michael1978 - I would Disagree - You only have to take this idea out of the picture,
“so there will be no further Revelation after him”
Then the Following Joins us as One
1 John 2:22"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he made to use—eternal life.
This statement “so there will be no further Revelation after him” is the mistake that all religions of the past have made. This statement prevents the Search for the “True Prophet”. A search the Bible and Koran says must happen.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Michael1978
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You are wrong, and the Church that canonized the Bible say’s you’re wrong. You’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
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