Benedict and Karl [MoJ]

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The GuardianApril 05 2007 Pope’s book accuses rich nations of robberyBenedict hails Marx’s analysis of modern man; Publication planned for 80th birthdayJohn Hooper in Rome Pope Benedict appeared to reach out to the anti-globalisation movement yesterday, attacking rich nations for…

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I would have to read more about his alleged “anti-capitalist” remarks. Capitalism, when it’s not grounded in Judeo-Christian morality, is just as evil as any other type of society. But when it IS properly guided by God, I feel it is far more moral than any alternative.
 
The problem is capitalism mainly works in the material sphere, one has no idea of how that is going to equate in a more spiritual sphere. How partners work in their trade, could be great in a spiritual exchange or it could be terrible. You could feel your employer thinks of you as family or the employer could be pretty cold.

Marx’s analysis might be a fair enough critique, but he might have only gotten one dynamic, valid enough, but not the complete picture. Chances are when he says religion is the opiate of the masses, he misses on the complexity of the relationship and throws out a overly simple line. Even if there is a great analysis, that has no bearing on the usefulness of the solution proposed.
 
Marx’s critique of religion, based on Feuerbach’s, about alienation and the role of gods is quite an accurate critique of false religion or idolatry.

The fact that Marx goes beyond Feuerbach, and extends the theory of alienation to capitalist production shows that much of what capitalism does is to turn the product into an idol and production into a false religion. This is in line with Jesus teaching about being unable to serve two masters, God and mammon.

It’s important to make the distinction between ‘the market’ as the belief that I can exchange part of my goods for gold, and the gold for other goods in order to benefit from others’ goods, and ‘Capitalism’ as a system based on the alienation of labour to systems of production driven by profit, and the belief that the whole of human society should be regulated by such a system. Markets have existed long before capitalism, and can be good in themselves, but they are not the only good.

Traditionally, the Church was always opposed to usuary, or the charging of interest. This is because it is against natural justice, it leads inevitably to a system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In the end, the Church simply caved because every country in the world was operating interest charges. Some radical Islamic clerics still oppose usuary, and with good reason. Perhaps the Church needs to take more of an interest in how wealth is created and distributed by our global monetary system. It is far from fair. That’s not to say that Marx’s solution was much better, but his criticisms of capitalism are still valid.
 
I have to wonder if the poor are always getting poorer, would there actually come a time when the poor get so poor they can no longer to realistically get poorer? I guess with an abstract idea of money, they could always nominally get poorer. Mr min. wage may not actually realize much difference if he owes one million dollars or ten million dollars.

Certainly any capitalistic theory that concerns itself with economics is going to be very materialistic, it is limiting itself to a materialistic sphere. One would still need to balance it out with other spiritual theories. It would be a fallacious reasoning to think that just because a man takes a profit he is going to make a false god out of it. A hermit who leaves the world to get away from the capitalistic society, could himself also have false gods.

I suppose the Church could go and look at how wealth is created and traded on a global scale, but I suppose the answer is easy enough once the priest gets the idea of sin, no matter how the system is set up, there will be ways for someone to take advantage, and some will. If your looking for fair, you won’t find it this side of heaven. The thing you can do is to try to find safeguards, but you always have to proceed with caution, no matter how much a person thinks they know an ecosystem, slight changes can have ramifications that blindside the smartest of people.
 
Why do Marxists drink herbal tea?

(wait for it…)

(it’s a good one…)

Because all proper-tea is theft! :rotfl:
 
Sorry, did I kill this thread with my terrible joke? I think it was getting interesting too.
 
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