Benedict's privileges in the future?

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Bro.JR is absolutely correct here.

Pope Benedict XVI is not RETIRING as Pope, but RENOUNCING.
When his papacy is over on February 28, Pope Benedict XVI ceases to exist and becomes part of the history of the Church. He will again return to being Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

However, he retains the title of Bishop Emeritus of Rome, a title which has not been used yet, because the previous popes who resigned, one went on to become bishop of another diocese and Celestine not long after his abdication.

As to his dress, he re returns to the black cassock of a cardinal and choir dress or a white cassock in hot weather with the red zuchetto and sash as to other cardinals in the tropics. This is rarely worn in the Northern Hemisphere.

It would be inappropriate to call him Holy Father. That title is reserved for the Bishop of Rome and certain Orthodox Patriarchs. Cardinal Ratzinger will not be the ordinary of Rome.

It has been confirmed that h will not be returning to Germany. Instead, he will live in Vatican City in a monastery that Bl. John Paul had built in 1993 for cloistered nuns. The monastery has been undergoing some updating since the Fall. No one knows whether the nuns are returning or not. The building quite large for one man and his small staff. It houses 15 people.

After thinking about this, I came to the conclusion that this is a very prudent choice. Imagine the former pope back home in Germany. Would the man ever have peace and privacy? There there is security issue. He would be a target for kidnapping. Even though he’s no longer the pope, he retains the respect of the world at the former pope. If he leaves Vatican City, will he enjoy the security that he now enjoys, guards and police everywhere? I would highly doubt it. Besides this, if his intention is to spend the rest of his life writing, the resources in Rome are superior to those in hi hometown.
According to “Inside the Vatican” Dr. Moynihan Report: Feb.11, 2013 Letter #7:
First, Pope Benedict has not decided to “resign” his office, but to renounce it. The distinction is important. He will not be a “retired Pope,” but he will be, according to Vatican officials I spoke with today, simply “Cardinal Ratzinger” once again. There will be no danger of “two Popes” – this present Pope will no longer be a Pope, not even a retired one.

:shrug:Sorry, but I am unable to find this letter on his website right now. the letter is very informative & long. I wish I could post it here.
 
I do not see how he can legally return to the title of cardinal without an intervention on behalf of himself before the moment of resignation or an intervention of his Successor. Cardinal is a title, and he can’t “go back” to it unless there is a legal path for that, if I’m not mistaken. So, unless something happens legally, he will revert to “Bishop Ratzinger” automatically. Besides, I don’t think most Catholics could bring themselves to call him that again (although I’m not saying it wouldn’t be correct).
Bro.JR is absolutely correct here.

Pope Benedict XVI is not RETIRING as Pope, but RENOUNCING.

According to “Inside the Vatican” Dr. Moynihan Report: Feb.11, 2013 Letter #7:
First, Pope Benedict has not decided to “resign” his office, but to renounce it. The distinction is important. He will not be a “retired Pope,” but he will be, according to Vatican officials I spoke with today, simply “Cardinal Ratzinger” once again. There will be no danger of “two Popes” – this present Pope will no longer be a Pope, not even a retired one.

:shrug:Sorry, but I am unable to find this letter on his website right now. the letter is very informative & long. I wish I could post it here.
Exactly. Since Benedict XVI becomes part of history, but Joseph Ratzinger is still alive, he picks up where he left off, as Prince of the Church. That title can never be taken away once it’s given. Who has the authority to strip a cardinal of his title? Only a pope. But the Chair of Peter will be vacant. Because a man is elected pope, he does not lose all of his other titles, rights and privileges. He will also be the Bishop Emeritus of Rome. He’ll be the first to hold that title.

The Vatican has been explaining this since yesterday. He will continue to be a cardinal. I imagine he will be one to whom the next pope will reach out to a great deal.
 
Exactly. Since Benedict XVI becomes part of history, but Joseph Ratzinger is still alive, he picks up where he left off, as Prince of the Church. That title can never be taken away once it’s given. Who has the authority to strip a cardinal of his title? Only a pope. But the Chair of Peter will be vacant. Because a man is elected pope, he does not lose all of his other titles, rights and privileges. He will also be the Bishop Emeritus of Rome. He’ll be the first to hold that title.

The Vatican has been explaining this since yesterday. He will continue to be a cardinal. I imagine he will be one to whom the next pope will reach out to a great deal.
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More from the letter #7 (Inside the Vatican):

Second, the decision was not really “unexpected.” In fact, almost three years ago, in mid-2010, in an article entitled “The Celestine Sign,” I argued that the Pope was giving us a hint that he was considering abdicating his papacy.
The hint was Benedict’s devotion to Pope Celestine V, who resigned the papacy in 1294.

So we knew already knew three years ago that the Pope might do what he announced this morning, when he announced, in Latin, that he will leave his office on February 28, precisely at 8 pm in the evening.

We knew that he might do it, but no one knew he would do it now, while the Year of Faith is underway, while his promised encyclical on faith is not yet published, and while his campaign for a purification of the Church has not reached a final conclusion. “I thought he might resign, but only at age 90,” a Vatican monisgnor told me this afternoon. (Note: Edward Pentin has reported that the text of the expected encyclical is a “beautiful” text and that Benedict planned to use the encyclical to share his reflections on what it means to be a Christian today, the role of faith in the life of man and society and the value of Christian truths. These will be linked to the “mystery” of Easter, at a time when, in many respects, the world is in crisis. Vatican Insider claims the new encyclical has been getting “rave reviews” from those who have already seen drafts. “The text of the Pope is beautiful,” a senior prelate in the Curia is reported as saying. “With his simple language, Benedict XVI expresses even the most complex and profound truths which are able to reach a diffusion that goes beyond imagination.” But will this encyclical come out before February 28?)

Here is the beginning and end of my article from three years ago:
“The Celestine Sign”

by Robert Moynihan, Inside the Vatican

A little more than a year ago, on April 29, 2009, Benedict did something unusual. He left his own “pallium,” the sign of his episcopal authority and his connection to Christ, on a tomb in Aquila, Italy. The tomb held the remains of a relatively obscure medieval Pope named was Celestine V (1209-1296). (See the photo below; the pallium is the white cloth the Pope is putting on top of the tomb.)

Why?

…I am not suggesting Pope Benedict XVI is thinking of following in the footsteps of the saintly Pope Celestine and resigning.

I am suggesting that the studious Pope Benedict and the studious monk-Pope are “connected” in a mysterious way.

I believe Benedict’s decisions to leave his pallium in Aquila, where Celestine’s tomb is located, and to schedule a prayer before his relics this coming Sunday, are not haphazard.

These decisions are indicators, ways of communicating truths through gestures. They contain a message the Pope cannot deliver any other way.
😊 Again, sorry I can’t get the image to paste.🤷
 
Exactly. Since Benedict XVI becomes part of history, but Joseph Ratzinger is still alive, he picks up where he left off, as Prince of the Church. That title can never be taken away once it’s given. Who has the authority to strip a cardinal of his title? Only a pope. But the Chair of Peter will be vacant. Because a man is elected pope, he does not lose all of his other titles, rights and privileges. He will also be the Bishop Emeritus of Rome. He’ll be the first to hold that title.

The Vatican has been explaining this since yesterday. He will continue to be a cardinal. I imagine he will be one to whom the next pope will reach out to a great deal.
Perhaps this question will help: does a man automatically abdicate his title of Cardinal if he is elected Pope and accepts? I think that is the question.
 
We knew that he might do it, but no one knew he would do it now, while the Year of Faith is underway, while his promised encyclical on faith is not yet published, and while his campaign for a purification of the Church has not reached a final conclusion. “I thought he might resign, but only at age 90,” a Vatican monisgnor told me this afternoon. (Note: Edward Pentin has reported that the text of the expected encyclical is a “beautiful” text and that Benedict planned to use the encyclical to share his reflections on what it means to be a Christian today, the role of faith in the life of man and society and the value of Christian truths. These will be linked to the “mystery” of Easter, at a time when, in many respects, the world is in crisis. Vatican Insider claims the new encyclical has been getting “rave reviews” from those who have already seen drafts. “The text of the Pope is beautiful,” a senior prelate in the Curia is reported as saying. “With his simple language, Benedict XVI expresses even the most complex and profound truths which are able to reach a diffusion that goes beyond imagination.” But will this encyclical come out before February 28?)
The Encyclical will not be promulgated. All this major unfinished business leads me to believe he has some serious health issues. I mean, really, he could have promulgated the Encyclical and completed the Year of Faith before deciding to do this, as all of these things are quite dear to him. It smells odd to me, but I digress.
 
Perhaps this question will help: does a man automatically abdicate his title of Cardinal if he is elected Pope and accepts? I think that is the question.
No he does not. If he has a living See or a titular see, that see becomes vacant. What he is doing is moving into the See of Rome. The rest of his life remains the same . . . sort of, if you get my meaning. I don’t think anyone’s life is ever the same after accepting the election to the papacy.
 
The Encyclical will not be promulgated. ** All this major** unfinished business leads me to believe he has some serious health issues. I mean, really, he could have promulgated the Encyclical and completed the Year of Faith before deciding to do this, as all of these things are quite dear to him. It smells odd to me, but I digress.
I tend to agree, especially the health issues.
 
I think, as usual, there is too much speculation. We need to take the man at his word and not try to find out more than we have a right to know . . . if there is more.

What I’m finding interesting is that within the inner structure of the Church, such as where I find myself, sharing with priests, bishops, sisters, brothers and lay employees of the Church, no one has talked about this resignation for more than 10 minutes today. Everything was business as usual. Yesterday, there were many expressions of concern, affection and gratitude. By Tuesday, it was business as usual.

However, as soon as we set foot outside among the laity, religious, clergy and lay Church employees, were bombarded with questions, speculations, comments and observations from the laity and the media. I’m wondering, someone please verify this for me, if for us who work within the infrastructure of the Church, the idea of an abdication is stunning, to say the least, but at the same time, it’s not something that we find requires a lot of our attention. We deal with the local Church’s issues. We tend to leave the macro Church issues to the Vatican and the cardinals to deal with. It’s almost as if most of us feel that we have enough on our plates without being concerned about why the pope is resigning.

He’s resigning. We love him very much and most of us are going to miss him, because there is something very special about the man, besides his absolutely brilliant mind. There is a childlike quality to him that makes him lovable. However, at the same time, pondering his abdication is not going to get the budget in order, Lent up and running, classes taught, masses celebrated for Ash Wednesday, meetings completed, and all of the other local issues that a diocese faces in one day’s work. If that’s not done, because we’re thinking about the pope’s abdication, we’re really going to have serious problems.

I guess that what I’m trying to say is that people who work inside the Church seem less concerned about why the Holy Father is stepping down and more concerned about the job that’s in front of them. Unless they do their job, it makes very little difference to the diocese or the parish who is or is not pope today.

In a way, I found it refreshing to attend a night of prayer outside of an abortion clinic with diocesan staff, clergy and religious where no one mentioned the pope. The focus was on the rosary, the abortions in that clinic and the need to do penance.

Truly, I lost track of how many people have asked me if there is more to the story than what the Holy Father said. My answer is the same. Let’s take him at his word and move on to the next thing on our agenda. We need not know everything.

Someone said the curiosity killed the cat. Maybe the cat is more fortunate the human beings. At least the cat gets some rest from his curiosity.
 
Good questions. At least we can probably rest assurd that Pope Benedict will receive better treatment than Pope Celestine V who resigned in 1294 and was imprisoned by his successor out of fear of the two-popes problem.

Pax,
OA
Could we consider Pope St Celestine V be the patron saint of retired popes? 😉
 
It has been confirmed that h will not be returning to Germany. Instead, he will live in Vatican City in a monastery that Bl. John Paul had built in 1993 for cloistered nuns. The monastery has been undergoing some updating since the Fall. No one knows whether the nuns are returning or not. The building quite large for one man and his small staff. It houses 15 people.

After thinking about this, I came to the conclusion that this is a very prudent choice. Imagine the former pope back home in Germany. Would the man ever have peace and privacy? There there is security issue. He would be a target for kidnapping. Even though he’s no longer the pope, he retains the respect of the world at the former pope. If he leaves Vatican City, will he enjoy the security that he now enjoys, guards and police everywhere? I would highly doubt it. Besides this, if his intention is to spend the rest of his life writing, the resources in Rome are superior to those in hi hometown.
Very good points, which I hadn’t considered. He also has access to medical care in a major city, which might be less readily available in a smaller town. And I’d imagine that outside of Vatican City, he’d be a real target for (literally) the paparazzi! I could just see the photographers camped out on his front lawn or crawling through the azaleas! And that would be the best-case scenario, as you pointed out.

This is silly, I know, but his facial features are very similar to my late grandfather’s, and we are not of German extraction. When I first saw him I was struck by the resemblance.
 
I don’t think anybody but him knows what he will do. I can imagine he would like to return to his beautiful home in Bavaria.
 
I don’t think anybody but him knows what he will do. I can imagine he would like to return to his beautiful home in Bavaria.
He already announced that he is going to live in Vatican City. Didn’t you read that in the Vatican Information Service?

On the 28th, he will leave the papal palace and fly to Castel Gandolfo where he will remain until the work is completed on the former monastery. He will then return to take up residence at the monastery. He’s entitled to live in Vatican City, because he’s a citizen of Vatican City. It’s not as if the parliament of Vatican City can ask him to leave.
 
He already announced that he is going to live in Vatican City. Didn’t you read that in the Vatican Information Service?

On the 28th, he will leave the papal palace and fly to Castel Gandolfo where he will remain until the work is completed on the former monastery. He will then return to take up residence at the monastery. He’s entitled to live in Vatican City, because he’s a citizen of Vatican City. It’s not as if the parliament of Vatican City can ask him to leave.
Also, I’d say that’s the best idea. I think it would be extremely bad judgement for him to live anywhere else. His safety, privacy and serenity would be at constant stake. I hope he returns to writing books and treatises.
 
Also, I’d say that’s the best idea. I think it would be extremely bad judgement for him to live anywhere else. His safety, privacy and serenity would be at constant stake. I hope he returns to writing books and treatises.
He has been talking about retiring to write for years. Twice before he tried to resign his post at the CDF. His plans were to write and do research. I hope that he remains healthy and alive for a long time so that we can see the fruits of his work. The man is an absolute genius.
 
He has been talking about retiring to write for years. Twice before he tried to resign his post at the CDF. His plans were to write and do research. I hope that he remains healthy and alive for a long time so that we can see the fruits of his work. The man is an absolute genius.
I still think the likelihood of his writing being published while he is still alive to be remote. Because of the fact that it could be seen as fostering division between the “two popes”, now obviously this wouldn’t be the truth, but just the hint of it might be problematic, and I can see them not letting that happen out of an abundance of caution.

Do you have any thoughts on this Br?

God bless.

-Paul
 
I still think the likelihood of his writing being published while he is still alive to be remote. Because of the fact that it could be seen as fostering division between the “two popes”, now obviously this wouldn’t be the truth, but just the hint of it might be problematic, and I can see them not letting that happen out of an abundance of caution.

Do you have any thoughts on this Br?

God bless.

-Paul
We’re treading uncharted waters here. It’s hard to tell what policies the Vatican will adopt.

I certainly believe that Cardinal Ratzinger is a very discreet man and will not do anything that would upstage the next pope. How others see it is difficult to predict.

I hope that he will publish, because I’m not going to be around much longer and I love his work. If they decide to publish after I’m gone, heck I’ll feel cheated. :yup:
 
He has been talking about retiring to write for years. Twice before he tried to resign his post at the CDF. His plans were to write and do research. I hope that he remains healthy and alive for a long time so that we can see the fruits of his work. The man is an absolute genius.
I hope so too. There is a part of me that hopes that so much of what he is feeling, physically right now, is not only due to advanced age, but also his being an extreme introvert.

Introverts have a hard time maintaining their energy level if they are required always be around others. We really do require a good deal of solitude to maintain our energy level. The Holy Father strikes me as being very introverted by nature. The quiet, solitude, and no demands placed on him hopefully he will feel revived and re-energized.
 
Yes, I heard a captioned bit on YouTube. I was enthralled by HH’s insights and his frank admissions.
A tour de force. Simultaneously validates and edifies orthodox Catholics who like the Council, and orthodox Catholics who are weary.

“The Council of Media”. Simply brilliance.
 
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