Best and worst hymns?

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When it comes to music I don’t think there is a Catholic culture. You are going to celebrate very differently in Kenya from the way you are going to do so in Rhode Island.

I find it jarring when new immigrants get involved in music ministry and start to include something familiar to them in the music of the parish. I have to remind myself that without their faith and continued attendance we’d have precious few people at Mass since modern music has certainly not helped keep our young people in attendance. But it quickly becomes evident that their music “culture” is very different from ours and that often conflicts with my personal preference for organ instrumentation alone – not that I get that at my parish since we have no one who plays organ or piano.
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
So, for me, one question is, is there a Catholic culture at all? Would it mean something to have a Catholic culture, does it mean something if we lack one?
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I don’t think there is, or really ever was, in the way that you mean. What you seem to equate with “Catholic culture” is the western European expression of the faith. While it has dominated, in our country and others, the expression of the faith for a very long time, it has never been the only way. It has just been the only way that many people have ever known. To equate the Catholic faith with Gregorian chant, or organ music, etc. is to do a disservice to the universal nature of the church.
 
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And here it is, circa. 2020 at the Latin Chant Mass on Sunday morning.
 
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Oh well - - they’ll get to hear 10,000 Reasons instead. Goody.
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Yep! They sure will and say thanks for doing that song…we love it!
Even the priest who chants the Eucharistic Prayer Preface and other parts as well, like’s it.
You get me all wrong. I actually love it all…a little chant, a little trad, a little contemporary. It’s all good. I said before I love to use a blended style of music at Mass.
 
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babochka:
I’m going to have to look up this 10,000 Reasons song.
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YouTube. I think you might like it. Our congregation loves and sings this one nicely.
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I just watched it. I liked it very much. In Mass, I’d prefer it without drums, etc. It reminded me a bit of “Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty”.

Perhaps @Loud-living-dogma would prefer this one:

 
I actually do like this kind of gospel-pop – just not at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (big surprise there).
 
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Just curious if you use the chanted Propers at Mass at all – or is it always (you know) the “4-hymn sandwich”?
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
Yeah, the pews are for sure gonna empty out with Gregorian chant. sigh
Maybe you’re the one who is not with the times? : )
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Among your long list of pro-chant to prove your point and the use of organ only and that the piano and other instruments are the work of evil, why did you forget to quote this from the “Sacrosanctum Concilium” promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1963:
  1. The pipe organ is to be held in high esteem in the Latin Church, for it is the traditional musical instrument, the sound of which can add a wonderful splendour to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up men’s minds to God and higher things.
But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, in the judgment and with the consent of the competent territorial authority as laid down in Articles 22: 2, 37 and 40. This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use; that they accord with the dignity of the temple, and that they truly contribute to the edification of the faithful.

Of course we can now argue the point of what is suitable, or can be made suitable to ad nauseam, but why?

Also, allow me to add that for every article you worked on so hard to find and publish here, I can find dozens more that support Life Teen and how it keeps our teen Catholics in the pews to the delight of their parents.
These articles are just a small cross section of the world of young people attracted to chant. It is not the majority. Actually, it was mentioned in one that the album, “Chant” helped start this huge wave of young chant lovers, and I have a copy that I listen to from time to time; big surprise there I’m sure.

In my diocese of 50+ churches and missions, only 1 has a Latin Mass every Sunday. Yep, people are flocking to get back to the EF! Why are there not more? Because the majority of the people do not want it! Why did the church decide to change things in the 60s, if everyone was happy? Did they not want change?

Listen, my friend, like I said before, I like all types of musical styles and all you have is that I am creating a stage show at Mass every weekend. You cannot be further from the truth. I am very careful that that does not happen no matter what instruments we use and what songs we sing. It is never a rock concert. I really am at a lose as to what more I can say to you about this. The song I had you listen to a week ago is beautiful per the you tube version, but the “twangy” guitar (as you say) is something I would not allow. The drum set, perhaps a bit too much on the recording for you, is subdued per my instructions at our Masses.

You like what you like and actually, at times, I also like what you like. But for me now, I know my church and the congregation, their likes and dislikes, so I stick to that. They like the up-beat, modern music and they like they like a little Taize also. When one priest chants the Preface, Opening Prayer, and Concluding Rites, they respond enthusiastically; not really much like you would do in admitted protest against a song you do not like.
Peace.
 
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Hey, I found a T shirt for you…but, you probably already have one:

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And Holy Is His Name. I love that tune.
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Definitely. “Holy Is His Name” is probably one of Talbot’s best songs. I use it at Solemnities of Mary, especially The Assumption and Immaculate Conception. Gee, we’re back on topic!
 
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ShastaRose:
And Holy Is His Name. I love that tune.
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Definitely. “Holy Is His Name” is probably one of Talbot’s best songs. I use it at Solemnities of Mary, especially The Assumption and Immaculate Conception. Gee, we’re back on topic!
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I absolutely love this song. Much better than “Hail Mary, Gentle Woman”.
 
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Loud-living-dogma:
Yeah, the pews are for sure gonna empty out with Gregorian chant. sigh
Maybe you’re the one who is not with the times? : )
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  1. The pipe organ is to be held in high esteem in the Latin Church, for it is the traditional musical instrument, the sound of which can add a wonderful splendour to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up men’s minds to God and higher things.
But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, in the judgment and with the consent of the competent territorial authority as laid down in Articles 22: 2, 37 and 40. This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use; that they accord with the dignity of the temple, and that they truly contribute to the edification of the faithful.

Of course we can now argue the point of what is suitable, or can be made suitable to ad nauseam, but why?

Also, allow me to add that for every article you worked on so hard to find and publish here, I can find dozens more that support Life Teen and how it keeps our teen Catholics in the pews to the delight of their parents…

In my diocese of 50+ churches and missions, only 1 has a Latin Mass every Sunday. Yep, people are flocking to get back to the EF! Why are there not more? Because the majority of the people do not want it! Why did the church decide to change things in the 60s, if everyone was happy? Did they not want change?

Listen, my friend, like I said before, I like all types of musical styles and all you have is that I am creating a stage show at Mass every weekend. You cannot be further from the truth. I am very careful that that does not happen no matter what instruments we use and what songs we sing. It is never a rock concert. I really am at a lose as to what more I can say to you about this. The song I had you listen to a week ago is beautiful per the you tube version, but the “twangy” guitar (as you say) is something I would not allow. The drum set, perhaps a bit too much on the recording for you, is subdued per my instructions at our Masses.

You like what you like and actually, at times, I also like what you like. But for me now, I know my church and the congregation, their likes and dislikes, so I stick to that. They like the up-beat, modern music and they like they like a little Taize also. When one priest chants the Preface, Opening Prayer, and Concluding Rites, they respond enthusiastically; not really much like you would do in admitted protest against a song you do not like.
Peace.
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Okay, I appreciate your long reply.
Do you acknowledge that there are such things as the “liturgy wars”? I wonder if you have read or would consider reading Pope Benedict XVI’s writing on music and the liturgy?


Are you familiar with the group Church Musicians Association of America? https://musicasacra.com/
 
David Haas, Dan Schutte, and Marty Haugen are overplayed at the home parish. Haas and Schutte both held concerts in local parishes, well-attended by local music directors no doubt.
 
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