I think I see where you are going, but the one I have been reading the mmost is the rsv-ce/ignatius bible, though it seems to be the one officially adopted in the catechism as well as the closest to the vulgate/rheims but in modern english. I think I will get a copy of the douay though, do alot of catholics read the douay still?I would read the Douay-Rheims. It is the Latin Vulgate in English. Honestly if you don’t care for the NAB you might want to try the Jerusalem Bible. I would most certainly stay away from the RSV-CE at all costs. Something doesn’t strike me of a Protestant based Catholic Edition. I have my reasons for reading the Douay-Rheims, but those are my personal views. The choice is really up to you.
From what I can tell, It seems that most traditionalists use the douay and most catholic apologists use the RSV - Catholic Edition, I know that Jimmy Akin uses the RSV - CE. Most other catholics, from what I can tell, use the NAB.I think I see where you are going, but the one I have been reading the mmost is the rsv-ce/ignatius bible, though it seems to be the one officially adopted in the catechism as well as the closest to the vulgate/rheims but in modern english. I think I will get a copy of the douay though, do alot of catholics read the douay still?
What do you have against the RSV - CE? That is the bible that I use. I know that Jimmy Akin also uses that bible version and he has a background in greek. What do you have against it?I would read the Douay-Rheims. It is the Latin Vulgate in English. Honestly if you don’t care for the NAB you might want to try the Jerusalem Bible. I would most certainly stay away from the RSV-CE at all costs. Something doesn’t strike me of a Protestant based Catholic Edition. I have my reasons for reading the Douay-Rheims, but those are my personal views. The choice is really up to you.
The RSV is used in the Catechism, in official English translations of Church documents, and the Pope’s writings in English. I’d pick that track record over the what anyone here has to say.I think I see where you are going, but the one I have been reading the mmost is the rsv-ce/ignatius bible, though it seems to be the one officially adopted in the catechism as well as the closest to the vulgate/rheims but in modern english. I think I will get a copy of the douay though, do alot of catholics read the douay still?
Exactly, I would agree with that.The RSV is used in the Catechism, in official English translations of Church documents, and the Pope’s writings in English. I’d pick that track record over the what anyone here has to say.
Its Protestant/ecumenical origins do not detract from its beauty and accuracy, especially considering that it has been further tightened to be more conformant to Catholic teaching, regardless of what others say on these forums.
Just because the RSV has protestant origins doesn’t mean all that much. There are translation differences between a protestant and a catholic RSV. For example, in a protestant RSV, they use another word for tradition(I forget the specific word). In a Catholic RSV, the word tradition is used. So as you can see, just because it has protestant origins doesn’t mean it isn’t a good catholic bible.I just find all other translations other that I have read besides the Douay-Rheims lackluster. As far as the RSV-CE, I am just not comfortable with a Protestant based Catholic Bible. That would be like if I were of some Protestant denomination and instead of the NAB there was a NAB-PE(NEW American Bible-Protestant Edition). I am sorry, but the RSV-CE just doesn’t appeal to me at all. I know many of the people here don’t care for the NAB, but it is what it is and so is the RSV-CE, NJB and the Jerusalem Bible. It’s not to say that one shouldn’t have the translation in their collection, because it would come in handy for comparative analysis purposes. I honestly don’t get what is so great about the RSV-CE anyway. It isn’t my decision to say what one person uses for his translation or not,but my recommendation is the Douay-Rheims. Again I am sorry, but the a Protestant based Catholic Bible like the RSV-CE just doesn’t do it for me.
The Protestant RSV does not translate “paradosis” as anything but “tradition.” You’re thinking of the NIV, which translates “paradosis” as “tradition” when it means something bad, and “teaching” when it means something good. The RSV in its original Protestant edition does no such thing.Just because the RSV has protestant origins doesn’t mean all that much. There are translation differences between a protestant and a catholic RSV. For example, in a protestant RSV, they use another word for tradition(I forget the specific word). In a Catholic RSV, the word tradition is used. So as you can see, just because it has protestant origins doesn’t mean it isn’t a good catholic bible.
Why do you feel that way??? I know why I feel that way. I just want to know how someone else who possibly feels the same way I do about the Douay-Rheims. Also, what keeps you from reading other translations as opposed the Douay-RheimsDouay-Rheims all the way!
The RSV-CE is also the version used in the Navarre Bible. Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch use it for the “Ignatius Catholic Study Bible” series. People who rant against this translation need to provide some examples of how it’s not in conformity with Catholic teaching to back up their opinions. They must know better than the Pope and Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Roman Curia, who granted the Imprimatur for the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible, based on the RSV-2CE. An Imprimatur is an official declaration from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church that a literary or similar work is free from error in matters of Roman Catholic doctrine and morals, and hence acceptable reading for faithful Roman Catholics.Again, its use by Pope Benedict, the CDF, and the Holy See is a good enough track record for me. So far, only the RSV is the most faithful to the best available original-language manuscripts, minimal translation problems does not use inclusive language, and, contrary to the naysayers here, no doctrinal problems whatsoever.
I don’t know why the the NAB or JB is used in lectionaries worldwide, but the CDF has wisely used the RSV and, to a minimal extent, the NRSV, not the NAB or JB, or Douay in its official English translation of the Catechism, the norm for all Catholic teaching.
So I will not make myself holier or smarter than the Pope. If it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for me.
As for those who prefer the Douay or whatever, prefer it by all means. Use it by all means. But I see no reason to diss other translations unless they are truly weird, like the NWT.
What ulterior motives? RSV isn’t like the NIV which is blatantly Protestant as to make it unusable in scholarship. The Translation - in my mind should be as true to the text as possible. having said that Translations of any ancient document (or modern one to be honest)can be incredibly difficult. much more with the Bible because of the multiple of hands involved with it. Be as true to the text as possible- but your notes should be as true to your beliefs as it possibly can without muddying the truth of the text.I always have my Bible Dictionary ,several commentaries and my paralells when forming a lesson. Plus any extrabiblical and archaelogical evidence I can find.The RSV-CE isn’t a bad translation. I just don’t believe it is trustworthy enough. I honestly feel that Protestant Bible are Protestant and should not make Catholic Bibles. I accept people’s beliefs and the different religions out there but I strongly don’t feel that the RSV-CE should ever have anything to do with Catholicism in general. For me looking for a Bible, its must be based off of the Latin Vulgate. The Latin Vulgate is the official Bible of the Catholic Church. If a Bible isn’t based on the Vulgate, it is based on a number texts that are or claim to be legit. It is still one persons right to choose what version of the Bible he reads. From the first time that I heard of the RSV-CE, it has just given me bad vibes and I advise people to stay away from it. Weather they take my advice or not is their choice. And to say that the Douay-Rheims language is archaic, well that was how the English language was in the 1500 and 1600’s. It isn’t rocket science to understand the verses meaning, even if you aren’t a biblical scholar, which I am not. I am just an average person who is into the scripture. I believe it is false to say that the RSV-CE is the most accurate as well as the NAB, JB, NJB, Douay-Rheims and Confraternity. The only one free from error is the Latin Vulgate, therefore it mostly likely is the most accurate Bible after the original manuscripts and also the Septugint. I just feel the publishers of the RSV-CE have some alterior motives
First I would just like to say that the Latin Vulgate is not the official bible of the Catholic Church. Here in America, the NAB is the official bible of the Catholic Church. The NAB is said in every Catholic Church here in America. It is the official bible here in America.The RSV-CE isn’t a bad translation. I just don’t believe it is trustworthy enough. I honestly feel that Protestant Bible are Protestant and should not make Catholic Bibles. I accept people’s beliefs and the different religions out there but I strongly don’t feel that the RSV-CE should ever have anything to do with Catholicism in general. For me looking for a Bible, its must be based off of the Latin Vulgate. The Latin Vulgate is the official Bible of the Catholic Church. If a Bible isn’t based on the Vulgate, it is based on a number texts that are or claim to be legit. It is still one persons right to choose what version of the Bible he reads. From the first time that I heard of the RSV-CE, it has just given me bad vibes and I advise people to stay away from it. Weather they take my advice or not is their choice. And to say that the Douay-Rheims language is archaic, well that was how the English language was in the 1500 and 1600’s. It isn’t rocket science to understand the verses meaning, even if you aren’t a biblical scholar, which I am not. I am just an average person who is into the scripture. I believe it is false to say that the RSV-CE is the most accurate as well as the NAB, JB, NJB, Douay-Rheims and Confraternity. The only one free from error is the Latin Vulgate, therefore it mostly likely is the most accurate Bible after the original manuscripts and also the Septugint. I just feel the publishers of the RSV-CE have some alterior motives